In hindsight, coach really got caught in the fire storm that has been many years of terrible football and franchise building.
Facts are, he was the best coach the Giants have had in nearly 7 years. For one, he's the only coach to take his team to the playoffs after Coughlin.
Second, he had multiple players overachieving on his watch. OBJ? Never the same after Mcadoo. Landon Collins, never the same.
Sure his, team had some defensive pieces, but he worked very well with Eli as well. Speeding up his delivery, gaining a more efficient approach given the lack of o line. Would have been interesting to see what he did with Jones.
Oh, and side bar, he was the guy in the room who wanted Mahomes badly. Funny how the grass always seems greener until you actually get a close look at the "other grass." Facts are, right now, Joe Judge is all talk and no action. He stinks.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
I was just surprised he at least didn't coach the full season in 2017.
Ben wasn’t a leader of men.
How to put 3 receivers and one tight end for EVERY FORMATION and EVERY PLAY.
Progress.
However, his communication skills with the team and media were lacking AND he lied to the owner. You can't tell John Mara we're going to "work Geno Smith in" and then start him, ending Eli's consecutive game streak. That's why he was fired the next morning.
BM is probably going to rise to an OC level again in this league, but he's not going to be a HC again.
we have too many fanboys sad because he benched eli (unclear why this makes people angry trying to evaluate the team was the RIGHT thing to do in 2017). these people would rather pretend 2016 didnt happen.
have said this for years... 2016 happened, it was acutally a great season to watch, close hard fought games, a great defense, explosive plays on offense, and good coaching.
anyhow... who the fk cares its 2021 and we still suck because we decided to fix the 2017 eli situation by putting more pieces around an old shell of eli to make that last run!!!! great job guys!!!!
Anyone who gives props to anything McAdoo should be consider a fanboy.
His offense was a poor man's Mike McCarthy. Maybe I'd bring him back as a QB coach, but nothing more than that. His offenses after TC was fired were brutally bad.
Our offenses ranked in 2016
Points: 26th
Yards: 25th
Those offense were built to win? Seems like the defense bailed out the offense time and time again which McAdoo had NOTHING to do with. If we didnt have the 2nd best defense in the NFL that year, its a 3-4 win team. McAdoo had very little to do with the success of that team.
The guy was a joke.
He's really done a lot since the Giants let go of him.
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.
Our offenses ranked in 2016
Points: 26th
Yards: 25th
Those offense were built to win? Seems like the defense bailed out the offense time and time again which McAdoo had NOTHING to do with. If we didnt have the 2nd best defense in the NFL that year, its a 3-4 win team. McAdoo had very little to do with the success of that team.
you are a great example of having no clue on what won games.
game management, clock management, winning close games--- those things are on the head coach.
i am sorry that it makes you sad.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Other than that, not a guy I'd particularly want to hitch my wagon to.
McAdoo changed the entire offense in 2016 and it didnt work. He stuck with one personnel for 91% of our plays and defenses quickyl figured him out. He didnt go out and spend the money in the offseason. Reese did. And when the breaks didnt go out way and Beckham got hurt in 2017 - we just were a pathetic football team.
So you can give him credit for the small things and say he did a great job. The fact of the matter is what he coached and in charged of was an utter disaster in his 2 years as HC.
So no that doesnt make me sad, its reality whcih you dont want to see.
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.
BUT - and this is pointing to the precipice the 2021 Giants face — even in McAdoo’s disastrous 2017, the Giants did not suffer two losses as lopsided as the last two games. This 2021 is objectively worse than 2017’s so far.
As dim as things look right now, I would much rather have Judge be the coach _ even with the growth he needs to do - than Ben McAdoo.
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.
One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!
IT WAS LUCKY
bad result
IT WAS ALL HIM
HE SUCKED
truth
when OC our offense was good
when HC, he has the 1 good season since 2012.
in terms of forward looking at challenging a bit the thing that peopel now clamor to fight (THE MARA INFLUENCE)
he did it in 2017- and it was the right decision to evaluate to move forward.
but instead, fanboys like the ones whining on here and that chime in when we win 1 out of every 4 games ... they got upset and we made sure to PROVE THEM ALL WRONG in 2018.
i could give 2 sh$ts about mcadoo, but ill call a spade a spade and he was the last guy to lead the team to a better record then expected and win close games, play hardnosed defense, and play giants football. yes 2016 and 2017 can both exist and be acknowledged.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
F Ben McAdoodo
Can't speak highly of the fact that most of the players thought he was ultimately a joke and didn't respect him. But...yeah, he knew how to control a game.
Let me guess his philosophy: Dont score, dont gain yards, and let the defense win the game. And the offensive game plan was to run slants to OBJ and have him take them to the house.
Defending McAdoo is an IQ test that many Giants fan get right on how abysmal he was. But there are a few who credit him for the defense's great year (which he had nothing to do with).
The people who defend McAdoo for benching Eli for Geno Smith, usually fail that test too.
Can't speak highly of the fact that most of the players thought he was ultimately a joke and didn't respect him. But...yeah, he knew how to control a game.
His offensive game plans were awful. 26th and 31st in points his two years as HC. Why in the world should he get credit for that?
Judge has not been successful at adjusting to what the other team is doing.
Perfect example is the Washington game. Once Judge saw that our defense wasn't playing well, he should have been going for the points whenever he could. He didn't, and it is why we lost the game basically.
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
He designed an offense not to score points? Come on dog, you're better than this. His offense was a one-note, 11 personnel with no motion or bunch sets. When your wides are on the small side, not putting them in motion to get a free release is simply mismanagement
Sorry I am not going to give a man credit for throwing a terrible offense out there and relying on the defense to win the game. If OBJ did not play in 2016, its a 4 win team max.
Managing a game is easier when the defense bails you out.
25th in PPG
26th in YPG
30th in rushing yards per game
We had a negative turnover rate
29th in Time of Possession
That was his baby. That is what he was in charge of. That is incompetency to the fullest extent. And the sad thing is... that was the better year of the 2.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Is that why 4 years later, the best he can do is offensive consultant? One would think that some enterprising team would hire this offensive wunderkind.
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was built in 2016 to win games. i know everyone loves to pump the stats of the prior years but wins matter, not stats.
He designed an offense not to score points? Come on dog, you're better than this. His offense was a one-note, 11 personnel with no motion or bunch sets. When your wides are on the small side, not putting them in motion to get a free release is simply mismanagement
they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?
I'll agree that he managed games well, he was pretty good with clock management and TO's. But he benefited from a D playing out of its mind.
But he was the de facto OC, and he did an awful job of it, not just in production, but in design. He stole Mike McCarthy's playbook but ripped out any plays with the least bit of creativity.
they had a terrible offensive roster.
wtf were they supposed to do on offense? they won football games.
why do we try to pretend they did not?
Or a terrible design system where they ran one formation 91% of the time. What was so different about the offense in 2015 than 2016 were you claimed they had a good offense? Only difference was they got rid of Randle and got back Cruz.
you are judged by wins and losses. if you are a defensive head coach, and win games with your offense... you did your job... visa versa, in particular if its a lot of close games.
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you notice all the teams beating a path to Ben's door.
He was a terrible hire and a terrible coach. He floated for one year off Eli Manning, a huge free agent spend and the remnants on the team of TC's discipline and work ethic. McCarthy took him apart like a dollar watch in the playoffs and the wheels totally came off the following season.
He was a terrible coach to the exact same extent that you're an intelligent poster.
He got caught in the crossfire of Britt-level whiners who wet their pants when Eli benched himself. We'll just leave it at that.
Yea, that was definitely what got him fired! Not his total train wreck of a second year as head coach.
One of the wet pants posters chiming in, fun!
It's amazing to me how fucking stupid you are given how smart you try to come off.
Hey, keep pounding the Ben McAdoo drum if you want. He's available to coach anyone's team tomorrow if they want!