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Problem with Joe Judge and Pats coaches

FatHeadTommy : 10/18/2021 12:31 pm
Joe Judge was an assistant coach on a winning team, in a winning program, with good players deeply cultured in winning. In that job in that environment maybe all there is to do is "watch the tape and correct the mistakes."

Now that Joe finds himself drowning in a losing team, in a losing program, with few good players deeply cultured in losing, he doesn't have a clue what to do except what he's been taught to do .."watch the tape and correct the mistakes."

He is at a total loss about how to change the direction of this losing team. He has never done it. He probably has never been part of a program that has done it. We need new thinking. We need people in this organization who are going to adopt new approaches, try new ways of thinking and doing things. Where is the innovation? Where is the move, play design or call, or the utilization of a player that surprises us to the upside? Where? We have none.
This is very simple  
BigBlueJ : 10/18/2021 12:38 pm : link
And I hope the debate about who needed who more is but to bed. All of these coaches off of that tree have been conning the football world for 20 years. Everyone has been eating off of Tom Brady's plate and asking for seconds. This has to be the worst coaching tree relative to its success in the history of the NFL. If JJ walked off of the Miami Dolphins Special teams he would have been laughed out of the building with that turn the clock back nonsense.
I’m going to repeat what I’ve said a couple of times now.  
Spider56 : 10/18/2021 12:40 pm : link
Look at the staff that JJ assembled and tell me how many of these guys have resumes that say they should be in the jobs they’re in ... and have proven success at the professional level. The vast majority, especially on the defensive side, and strength / conditioning are college guys and look to be in over their head. Our players are digressing year over year and to me, herein lies the real problem.
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RE: I’m going to repeat what I’ve said a couple of times now.  
Spider56 : 10/18/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15419590 Spider56 said:
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Look at the staff that JJ assembled and tell me how many of these guys have resumes that say they should be in the jobs they’re in ... and have proven success at the professional level. The vast majority, especially on the defensive side, and strength / conditioning are college guys and look to be in over their head. Our players are digressing year over year and to me, herein lies the real problem. Link - ( New Window )


The proper word is regressing but regardless, even the guys who came from winning programs are getting worse not better.
Judge may or may not be the guy  
BillT : 10/18/2021 12:46 pm : link
But he stepped into a team that was two years into a rebuild that has failed. Four years in and we still have an OL that can’t run or pass block and a defense that can’t stop the run or rush the passer. Coaching doesn’t solve that. Talented players solve that and in those spots we don’t have them.
Can it be as simple  
Gman11 : 10/18/2021 12:57 pm : link
as Brady carried the Patriots for all those years? In the second year without Brady, Belichick isn't exactly lighting the league on fire.
Same could be said for his coordinators IMO.......  
Simms11 : 10/18/2021 1:10 pm : link
However, if Judge had some balls, he would flip flop JG and FK in their respective roles. I’d also look to get Graham some help as he also seems to be grasping for straws! Judge needs to rely on his O and D to fix these issues as he has no clue. STs he can help though.
RE: Can it be as simple  
Stan in LA : 10/18/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15419630 Gman11 said:
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as Brady carried the Patriots for all those years? In the second year without Brady, Belichick isn't exactly lighting the league on fire.


Yes, this is the correct answer.
I have on one of my threads BB  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 1:28 pm : link
There was a little snippet of Judge. he walks up to BB and asks "what do you want to run". BB gives the order and Judge goes and set up the play. THat is not a real BB coach.
RE: RE: Can it be as simple  
Debaser : 10/18/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15419710 Stan in LA said:
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In comment 15419630 Gman11 said:


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as Brady carried the Patriots for all those years? In the second year without Brady, Belichick isn't exactly lighting the league on fire.



Yes, this is the correct answer.


Bullshit. BB round Brady in the 6th round. 6th round. While coaching can only go so far this idea that it was Bellicheck riding his coattails for this long. Brady would have gone to the Raiders to warm a bench and retire at 28 if not for Bellichek.
It is almost always true  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/18/2021 1:32 pm : link
that new coaches come from winning programs to take over losing programs. Sometimes they succeed and sometimes they don't. Even Bill Belichick was one of those guys at his first stop. Pretty hard to win without talent (on the team or on the field).
RE: Judge may or may not be the guy  
81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2021 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15419611 BillT said:
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But he stepped into a team that was two years into a rebuild that has failed. Four years in and we still have an OL that can’t run or pass block and a defense that can’t stop the run or rush the passer. Coaching doesn’t solve that. Talented players solve that and in those spots we don’t have them.
The thing that is really frustrating for me as a fan is that it's the same thing every year: Bad pre-season followed by losing the first few games. D is plagued by big plays, can't rush the passer and can't get off the field on 3rd down. O is plagued by turnovers, drops and can't get the ball in the end zone after long drives.

It's not even wondering what fresh hell we'll be in this season. It's the same hell we've been watching for most of a decade. Multiple coaches, different players, same old thing. It's alternately boring and infuriating.
wail till....  
thrunthrublue : 10/18/2021 3:00 pm : link
the 1-9 presser. please, someone ask: "What are you and DG planning on doing in 2022?"
RE: RE: Judge may or may not be the guy  
BillT : 10/18/2021 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15419755 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 15419611 BillT said:


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But he stepped into a team that was two years into a rebuild that has failed. Four years in and we still have an OL that can’t run or pass block and a defense that can’t stop the run or rush the passer. Coaching doesn’t solve that. Talented players solve that and in those spots we don’t have them.

The thing that is really frustrating for me as a fan is that it's the same thing every year: Bad pre-season followed by losing the first few games. D is plagued by big plays, can't rush the passer and can't get off the field on 3rd down. O is plagued by turnovers, drops and can't get the ball in the end zone after long drives.

It's not even wondering what fresh hell we'll be in this season. It's the same hell we've been watching for most of a decade. Multiple coaches, different players, same old thing. It's alternately boring and infuriating.

Couldn't agree more.
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