I like him as a player but he needs to be traded. He is a slot receiver and the clear future at that position is KT. Sterling has a large salary which would come off the books and is consistently injured. We have tried him at the outside and he simply is a better slot.
This has nothing to do with our miserable season, just roster and cap management going into next season.
Where would be a good fit?
A win now team. GB or Baltimore could be nice fits.
The Giants have no intention of trading him, but even if they did, they can't get enough compensation to justify the trade. The most they'd get is likely a sixth or seventh.
And that's not to say they don't have good players that teams would want...because they do...
It's just that the players the Giants have that would be interesting to teams (young) are expensive and early in their contracts and the guys that are inexpensive and young the Giants will want to keep.
There are no Janoris Jenkins or JPP's on this team.
He’d be a great piece for a contender looking for WR help, especially in the slot.
Green Bay, KC, New Orleans, etc
I think this is more about getting assets in return for a player at a position that the Giants have an up and coming rook, Golladay, and Slayton at.
Shep or Slayton should be trade bait, along with Peppers, Engram and Bradberry
"Three full games", "Literally if he could stay healthy"
Those are the two phrases that encompass exactly the problem with Shep. We all love him, he's a gamer, he's solid when he plays, but his biggest question is, when he plays. 16-10-16-10-12, already one missed game this year. Those are his games started each of his first 5 years. By AAV, he's the 26th highest paid WR in the league with career highs in receiving yardage of 872 (2018), and his season high in TD's being 8 (2016). One aspect of his numbers that I feel we can't accurately measure (unless someone wants to spend the time), is that we've played so much bad football recently, that how many games of ours are blowouts in the 4th quater, where the yardage is meaninglessly racked up. 5 catches and 36 of his yards yesterday came in the 4th quarter against the Rams backups where it was quite literally a do whatever you want defense. Meaning 5 catches for 40 yards when it was a "game." Denver game he ended with a great line of 7-113-1, but in the last drive when the game was well in hand, and Denver was playing out the string he had 3 for 33. The bad football has skewed our offensive numbers for everyone, since we typically can rack up yards in 4th quarters while teams are barely playing D.
The bottom line with Shep, and a lot of DG's acquisitions/signings is, are they worth the money/cap they are being allocated. I love Shep, but I don't think he's worth the money he is being paid, and it can be better spent elsewhere.
You can't say this and ignore the contract details of all parties involved. Yes, the Cowboys are deep at WR, but 3 of their top 4 wide outs are on rookie deals (Lamb, Gallup, Wilson), and are combined costing about the same on the cap than Shep is this year. This is a completely different conversation if Shep was making 2M this year and on a rookie/controlled deal.
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As soon as we have more than one good player at a position we want to trade one of them. And it's smart because who really cares about depth or injuries. Notice how the Cowboys, who have like 5 good WR, are trading them off as soon as they find them. Like e regular auction over there. Same with their offensive lineman. Can't get rid of them soon enough.
You can't say this and ignore the contract details of all parties involved. Yes, the Cowboys are deep at WR, but 3 of their top 4 wide outs are on rookie deals (Lamb, Gallup, Wilson), and are combined costing about the same on the cap than Shep is this year. This is a completely different conversation if Shep was making 2M this year and on a rookie/controlled deal.
Who cares. Spin our wheels and trade everyone that plays hard than draft another guy and do the same in 3-4 years.
"Three full games", "Literally if he could stay healthy"
Good post. I like Shep, he's a solid pro, and a gamer...when he plays. It's not his fault DG overpaid him, but he's never shown that you can count on him to stay healthy. And he'd be better off elsewhere, hopefully chasing a ring.
He’s not retiring as a Giant unless he is willing to take a pay cut.
given the Giants' current predicament, Shepard is the exact type of player they should be looking to trade. What you're advocating for is how losers operate.
Our "fans" want to trade a guy who we know is a solid player, for draft picks that Dave Gettleman can squander.
The Giants have no intention of trading him, but even if they did, they can't get enough compensation to justify the trade. The most they'd get is likely a sixth or seventh.
A 6th is plenty. Get him off the books, we’re going to need every penny we can get
Losing teams make losing decisions.
For example, if the Giants traded Engram, he has no more bonus money and his salary would come off the cap. Peppers probably has no trade value, but he has no bonus money left.
If the Giants were to trade Gano, they could open somewhere between $1.5 to $1M in cap space depending on their week traded.
If Barkley were to be traded, the Giants would save several million off the cap. If Jones were to be traded, the Giants would incur a minor cap hit of around $1M depending on what week he’s traded.
It might take some combination of the above players being traded first, but once done, the Giants could absorb the cap hit of somewhere between $7 and 5M depending on the week traded.
With that said, the big pain will come in the off-season. The new GM will almost certain have to clean house, resulting in 2022 being a lost season as well. The GM will be forced to cut a large number of vets because they simply have price tags that other teams will be unwilling to trade for or bother restructuring. They would rather negotiate with the player after being released.
This group would provide some minor cap savings, with big dead money hits. Names like Bradberry, Rudolph, Dixon (bad teams can’t carry a P with a $3M cap hit), Booker, Beal, and possibly Martinez (he’ll be on the last year of his deal and might want out of a bad situation).
Others will incur cap hits that offset a portion of the savings above. Jackson, maybe Williams, possibly Golladay. Those moves would likely be dictated by assessment of the locker room and culture of the team.
As an in-season trade, I believe the remaining portion of this bonus would be on the books next year as dead money.
I don’t believe the Giants would incur further cap liabilities in 2021 by trading him.