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The "Gettleman will retire" talk

Justlurking : 10/18/2021 2:17 pm
Is this franchise completely and utterly incompetent and unsalvageable? There has not been a general manager in New York who deserved and earned to be fired like Gettleman has since Scott Layden. Isaiah Thomas - ISAIAH - was a far more successful GM than Gettleman. Gettleman must be FIRED and not allowed to "retire".

And the firing needs to happen ASAP before he is allowed to further damage the organization like he did with the Leonard Williams trade.

Enough is enough. He has been a terrible, terrible GM who has been obnoxious with the media and by extension to the fans. The buffoon in the link below doesn't deserve any courtesies. He doesn't get to simply fade away. He must be fired.


rome wasn't built in a day, darling - ( New Window )
Do you think you're just a naturally broken person  
BlackLight : 10/18/2021 2:22 pm : link
or did losing 5 of our first 6 games make you this way?
Reese won 2 Super Bowls  
Breeze_94 : 10/18/2021 2:25 pm : link
and they didn't force him to "retire"

Gettleman deserves no better. He deserves to be fired. Throw that on the ole "Resume", Dave.
The only way Gettleman will be fired  
JohnF : 10/18/2021 2:28 pm : link
is if we can get him dressed up as a chair.
He should be fired  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2021 2:29 pm : link
Before dinner.
He's one of the family  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 2:32 pm : link
And they probably still "feel bad" that he didn't get the job at the first time around.

It's also very Giants to hate the optic of firing people when the media is calling for it, justified or not.
Johnny Boy  
Beef Wellington : 10/18/2021 2:39 pm : link
should win an academy award with his chair throwing act. He's bilked his fan base with his PSL Ponzi scheme and the for good measure saddles up with the Jet scum to live in a toaster oven !

Is it any wonder that both organizations stink?
You're Fired…Dahlin  
Koffman : 10/18/2021 2:39 pm : link
I fully expected something to happen today after yesterdays embarrassment. Just goes to show he's a spin doctor who has the organization by the balls.
If DG leaves in mid-season he'll be fired  
Jim in Tampa : 10/18/2021 2:40 pm : link
If he leaves at the end of the year, he'll be allowed to retire.

Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.
Getts is not going to retire  
Spider43 : 10/18/2021 2:40 pm : link
An arrogant prick like that is going to go down fighting and swinging. They'll either fire or retain him this offseason. But he's not going to retire on his own.
If he's at the helm  
Joey in VA : 10/18/2021 2:41 pm : link
At the trade deadline we might get further screwed.
RE: Do you think you're just a naturally broken person  
Justlurking : 10/18/2021 2:43 pm : link
In comment 15419855 BlackLight said:
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or did losing 5 of our first 6 games make you this way?


Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.
RE: Reese won 2 Super Bowls  
Justlurking : 10/18/2021 2:44 pm : link
In comment 15419864 Breeze_94 said:
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and they didn't force him to "retire"

Gettleman deserves no better. He deserves to be fired. Throw that on the ole "Resume", Dave.


Exactly.
I have no idea why this bumbling incompetent should get to retire  
Greg from LI : 10/18/2021 2:44 pm : link
Jerry Reese didn't get that courtesy.
DG checking BBI to see if he's been fired yet  
FranknWeezer : 10/18/2021 2:44 pm : link
He  
AcidTest : 10/18/2021 2:45 pm : link
needs to be gone immediately. And since he won't retire now, he should be fired. The main reason as others have noted is to prevent him from doing something foolish before the trade deadline, like trading picks for players as he did with Williams.
RE: You're Fired…Dahlin  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15419885 Koffman said:
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I fully expected something to happen today after yesterdays embarrassment. Just goes to show he's a spin doctor who has the organization by the balls.


Absolutely. I call him the Minister of Propaganda for the NY Giants. Spin, spin, spin... The man behind the curtain.

At least Reese spoke to the media at the half way point of the season. This arrogant buffoon only gives two media speaks a year. That limits the fan's insight to what the team is doing.

He is the worst GM.
RE: Do you think you're just a naturally broken person  
GMen72 : 10/18/2021 2:47 pm : link
In comment 15419855 BlackLight said:
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or did losing 5 of our first 6 games make you this way?


Maybe it's having the same record as the JETS since DG took over? He should've been fired after his dumpster fire of a first press conference...it's only gotten worse. The roster is worse than what he inherited and we have no cap room for the next 2 years. This organization is truly fucked!
RE: If DG leaves in mid-season he'll be fired  
NoGainDayne : 10/18/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15419886 Jim in Tampa said:
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If he leaves at the end of the year, he'll be allowed to retire.

Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.


Because he's proven to be quite incompetent and I am genuinely concerned he could try to buy at the deadline. We certainly can't count on him to sell. And we should absolutely be thinking about selling
RE: RE: You're Fired…Dahlin  
Justlurking : 10/18/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15419901 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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In comment 15419885 Koffman said:


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I fully expected something to happen today after yesterdays embarrassment. Just goes to show he's a spin doctor who has the organization by the balls.



Absolutely. I call him the Minister of Propaganda for the NY Giants. Spin, spin, spin... The man behind the curtain.

At least Reese spoke to the media at the half way point of the season. This arrogant buffoon only gives two media speaks a year. That limits the fan's insight to what the team is doing.

He is the worst GM.


He's setting the bar for worst GM ever incredibly high (or low). thats for sure. He literally does everything wrong.
RE: RE: If DG leaves in mid-season he'll be fired  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/18/2021 2:56 pm : link
In comment 15419910 NoGainDayne said:
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In comment 15419886 Jim in Tampa said:


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If he leaves at the end of the year, he'll be allowed to retire.

Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.



Because he's proven to be quite incompetent and I am genuinely concerned he could try to buy at the deadline. We certainly can't count on him to sell. And we should absolutely be thinking about selling


I could care less either way. As long as the process is started ASAP. I would like the new GM in to start the work for next year. It's a lot. I also want him to see what they think of Judge moving forward. Cannot hamstring the new GM with a coach they are unsure of.
RE: If DG leaves in mid-season he'll be fired  
BMac : 10/18/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15419886 Jim in Tampa said:
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If he leaves at the end of the year, he'll be allowed to retire.

Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.


Because they recognize failure in their own endeavors, but want the schadenfreude of seeing someone else take it in the neck. Basically, losers who won't admit they're losers.
on w/l record, i think Robustelli may be the Giants worst gm, although  
plato : 10/18/2021 3:14 pm : link
W. Mara may be close. The real issue for me is what is the real decision tree in the Giants FO. Is Joe Judge always involved, where and which Maras sit on the tree, which scouts/ or scouting administrators are involved etc.

Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?

I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.

Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.

RE: on w/l record, i think Robustelli may be the Giants worst gm, although  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15419965 plato said:
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W. Mara may be close. The real issue for me is what is the real decision tree in the Giants FO. Is Joe Judge always involved, where and which Maras sit on the tree, which scouts/ or scouting administrators are involved etc.

Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?

I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.

Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.


Without a clearer understanding of the structure of the Giants decisionmaking, the team kind of leaves it up to us to assume that the GM does in fact make those decisions and it's on him.

They could totally clear this up by saying who's in charge of what, but they won't. Something about the culture in the NFL is that everything is a state secret.
Wait - did everyone think  
fanoftheteam : 10/18/2021 3:34 pm : link
We were going to win yesterday?
He's so bad that when he's gone, hopefully very soon,  
MOOPS : 10/18/2021 3:38 pm : link
he's reached the level of one whose name shall never again be mentioned on BBI.
What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
Gman11 : 10/18/2021 3:45 pm : link
Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?
RE: What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
Angel Eyes : 10/18/2021 3:47 pm : link
In comment 15420037 Gman11 said:
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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?

So he won't cause more damage by compromising our ability to build the team.
RE: Wait - did everyone think  
Keaton028 : 10/18/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15420006 fanoftheteam said:
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We were going to win yesterday?


The fact that we don’t even expect to win is an indictment of DG in itself.
Regardless of HOW he goes (IF he goes)  
David B. : 10/18/2021 4:15 pm : link
All that buys you is Kevin Abrams.

After a lengthy, laborious, due-diligence search of external candidates, they'll go with "the company man." Every time.

And they'll be stuck with the same problems they have now. Because it's not just the GM that's broken, the scouts have failed (particularly miserably at identifying starter-caliber OLs), the grading system they use (DG's) has to be suspect as well.

And of course, even if you could miraculously fix all of that, you're still stuck with Mara(s) owning the team (and there's so many of they, they'll own it from now till the end of time). And Mara just won't think outside the box or change their basic way of operating.

It's getting bad enough I wouldn't be entirely surprised if DG goes at the end of the year. But DG loaded them up with next year's draft picks. My guess is that Mara gives him the chance to spend those picks, "right the ship," and then keep him. That would be far more in-character than any other path.


RE: What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
Justlurking : 10/18/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15420037 Gman11 said:
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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?


It starts the process of the rebuild. It allows the draft to proceed without the process being tainted by Gettleman's system. It also removes his stench from the organization.
RE: Regardless of HOW he goes (IF he goes)  
81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15420105 David B. said:
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All that buys you is Kevin Abrams.

After a lengthy, laborious, due-diligence search of external candidates, they'll go with "the company man." Every time.

And they'll be stuck with the same problems they have now. Because it's not just the GM that's broken, the scouts have failed (particularly miserably at identifying starter-caliber OLs), the grading system they use (DG's) has to be suspect as well.

And of course, even if you could miraculously fix all of that, you're still stuck with Mara(s) owning the team (and there's so many of they, they'll own it from now till the end of time). And Mara just won't think outside the box or change their basic way of operating.

It's getting bad enough I wouldn't be entirely surprised if DG goes at the end of the year. But DG loaded them up with next year's draft picks. My guess is that Mara gives him the chance to spend those picks, "right the ship," and then keep him. That would be far more in-character than any other path.

If the owners decide it's time for him to go, how it's handled will affect the team's ability to recruit a replacement. This is a thing fans rarely think about: Talent relations and recruitment. The Giants don't do things that humiliate a coach or GM on the way out, because they want to get others to take those jobs in the future. The (small) pool of available talent and their agents are watching closely.

Fans want retribution. The organization has to be looking at what's next.
Gettleman..for those of us old enough to remember  
Goin Deep : 10/18/2021 4:58 pm : link
from the movie Cabin in the Sky...
Pappy says youse been demoted!!
Lol
Plato- they’ve explained many times  
Dave on the UWS : 10/18/2021 5:01 pm : link
early picks are a group effort. John, Chris, Petit, DG the HC. They all gave input. Problem is, the owners are clueless. And one of them has been VP of Player Personnel fir a decade. He’s responsible for getting the info into the room to make decisions. And his department is abysmal. Until all the Maras are removed to spectator status and real football people are brought in, they are stuck.
RE: He's one of the family  
djm : 10/18/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15419872 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And they probably still "feel bad" that he didn't get the job at the first time around.

It's also very Giants to hate the optic of firing people when the media is calling for it, justified or not.


But that's exactly what the Giants have been doing since 2015. Media and fans pitch a fit about Joe Blow and the Giants fire him hours later.

We need to end this myth that the Giants aren't open to firing people. They have become quite good at it actually.
RE: Plato- they’ve explained many times  
Justlurking : 10/18/2021 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15420161 Dave on the UWS said:
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early picks are a group effort. John, Chris, Petit, DG the HC. They all gave input. Problem is, the owners are clueless. And one of them has been VP of Player Personnel fir a decade. He’s responsible for getting the info into the room to make decisions. And his department is abysmal. Until all the Maras are removed to spectator status and real football people are brought in, they are stuck.


agreed. you know they are really just grooming Tim McConnell to run the entire operation.

The Maras are exhibit A why we need oppressive estate taxes.
 
christian : 10/18/2021 5:56 pm : link
The only chance Gettleman gets fired is if he re-signs Manning, then Judge benches him to see “what we’ve got with Glennon.”

DG is not getting fired...  
EricJ : 10/18/2021 5:59 pm : link
John Mara sucks
RE: DG is not getting fired...  
Spider43 : 10/18/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15420237 EricJ said:
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John Mara sucks


If we lose to Sammy Darnold this weekend, they might start casting the die.
RE: RE: What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
Gman11 : 10/18/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15420115 Justlurking said:
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In comment 15420037 Gman11 said:


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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?



It starts the process of the rebuild. It allows the draft to proceed without the process being tainted by Gettleman's system. It also removes his stench from the organization.


Who are they going to replace him with during the season? GM candidates that are working for other teams aren't available. If you promote Abrams it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It does nothing for the future of the team except make you and bunch of other fans happy for three seconds.
First, do no harm  
Spider43 : 10/18/2021 6:47 pm : link
Preventing the team from being buyers at the deadline, when we should be sellers, assures he can't fuck us up even more at this point.
RE: What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
Jay on the Island : 10/18/2021 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15420037 Gman11 said:
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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?

Easy, it gives the Giants a head start over other clubs in searching for his replacement. Also, it prevents Gettleman from making any desperate win now moves to try to salvage his job.
RE: RE: What good is firing the GM in the middle of the season?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2021 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15420344 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 15420037 Gman11 said:


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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?


Easy, it gives the Giants a head start over other clubs in searching for his replacement. Also, it prevents Gettleman from making any desperate win now moves to try to salvage his job.


Ding, ding.
RE: on w/l record, i think Robustelli may be the Giants worst gm, although  
GeofromNJ : 10/18/2021 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15419965 plato said:
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W. Mara may be close. The real issue for me is what is the real decision tree in the Giants FO. Is Joe Judge always involved, where and which Maras sit on the tree, which scouts/ or scouting administrators are involved etc.

Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?

I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.

Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.

Robustelli complained that he had no real authority. Wellington Mara made all the decisions. Other GMs stated that when they called Robustelli to talk trade, Robustelli was unable to give definitive answers and it was obvious that he had to check with ownership before committing to anything. It was only after Rozelle intervened and told Mara that he had to give full authority to George Young that the Giants finally made progress.
Wellington Mara chose Coughlin, not Accorsi  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/18/2021 9:31 pm : link
George Young picked Fassel; Wellington wanted Parcells back but wouldn't renege once the offer was made.
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