Is this franchise completely and utterly incompetent and unsalvageable? There has not been a general manager in New York who deserved and earned to be fired like Gettleman has since Scott Layden. Isaiah Thomas - ISAIAH - was a far more successful GM than Gettleman. Gettleman must be FIRED and not allowed to "retire".
And the firing needs to happen ASAP before he is allowed to further damage the organization like he did with the Leonard Williams trade.
Enough is enough. He has been a terrible, terrible GM who has been obnoxious with the media and by extension to the fans. The buffoon in the link below doesn't deserve any courtesies. He doesn't get to simply fade away. He must be fired.
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Gettleman deserves no better. He deserves to be fired. Throw that on the ole "Resume", Dave.
It's also very Giants to hate the optic of firing people when the media is calling for it, justified or not.
Is it any wonder that both organizations stink?
Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.
Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.
Gettleman deserves no better. He deserves to be fired. Throw that on the ole "Resume", Dave.
Exactly.
Absolutely. I call him the Minister of Propaganda for the NY Giants. Spin, spin, spin... The man behind the curtain.
At least Reese spoke to the media at the half way point of the season. This arrogant buffoon only gives two media speaks a year. That limits the fan's insight to what the team is doing.
He is the worst GM.
Maybe it's having the same record as the JETS since DG took over? He should've been fired after his dumpster fire of a first press conference...it's only gotten worse. The roster is worse than what he inherited and we have no cap room for the next 2 years. This organization is truly fucked!
Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.
Because he's proven to be quite incompetent and I am genuinely concerned he could try to buy at the deadline. We certainly can't count on him to sell. And we should absolutely be thinking about selling
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I fully expected something to happen today after yesterdays embarrassment. Just goes to show he's a spin doctor who has the organization by the balls.
Absolutely. I call him the Minister of Propaganda for the NY Giants. Spin, spin, spin... The man behind the curtain.
At least Reese spoke to the media at the half way point of the season. This arrogant buffoon only gives two media speaks a year. That limits the fan's insight to what the team is doing.
He is the worst GM.
He's setting the bar for worst GM ever incredibly high (or low). thats for sure. He literally does everything wrong.
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If he leaves at the end of the year, he'll be allowed to retire.
Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.
Because he's proven to be quite incompetent and I am genuinely concerned he could try to buy at the deadline. We certainly can't count on him to sell. And we should absolutely be thinking about selling
I could care less either way. As long as the process is started ASAP. I would like the new GM in to start the work for next year. It's a lot. I also want him to see what they think of Judge moving forward. Cannot hamstring the new GM with a coach they are unsure of.
Other than wanting a pound of flesh, not sure why fans would NEED to see him be fired versus retired.
Because they recognize failure in their own endeavors, but want the schadenfreude of seeing someone else take it in the neck. Basically, losers who won't admit they're losers.
Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?
I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.
Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.
Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?
I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.
Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.
Without a clearer understanding of the structure of the Giants decisionmaking, the team kind of leaves it up to us to assume that the GM does in fact make those decisions and it's on him.
They could totally clear this up by saying who's in charge of what, but they won't. Something about the culture in the NFL is that everything is a state secret.
So he won't cause more damage by compromising our ability to build the team.
The fact that we don’t even expect to win is an indictment of DG in itself.
After a lengthy, laborious, due-diligence search of external candidates, they'll go with "the company man." Every time.
And they'll be stuck with the same problems they have now. Because it's not just the GM that's broken, the scouts have failed (particularly miserably at identifying starter-caliber OLs), the grading system they use (DG's) has to be suspect as well.
And of course, even if you could miraculously fix all of that, you're still stuck with Mara(s) owning the team (and there's so many of they, they'll own it from now till the end of time). And Mara just won't think outside the box or change their basic way of operating.
It's getting bad enough I wouldn't be entirely surprised if DG goes at the end of the year. But DG loaded them up with next year's draft picks. My guess is that Mara gives him the chance to spend those picks, "right the ship," and then keep him. That would be far more in-character than any other path.
It starts the process of the rebuild. It allows the draft to proceed without the process being tainted by Gettleman's system. It also removes his stench from the organization.
After a lengthy, laborious, due-diligence search of external candidates, they'll go with "the company man." Every time.
And they'll be stuck with the same problems they have now. Because it's not just the GM that's broken, the scouts have failed (particularly miserably at identifying starter-caliber OLs), the grading system they use (DG's) has to be suspect as well.
And of course, even if you could miraculously fix all of that, you're still stuck with Mara(s) owning the team (and there's so many of they, they'll own it from now till the end of time). And Mara just won't think outside the box or change their basic way of operating.
It's getting bad enough I wouldn't be entirely surprised if DG goes at the end of the year. But DG loaded them up with next year's draft picks. My guess is that Mara gives him the chance to spend those picks, "right the ship," and then keep him. That would be far more in-character than any other path.
Fans want retribution. The organization has to be looking at what's next.
Pappy says youse been demoted!!
Lol
It's also very Giants to hate the optic of firing people when the media is calling for it, justified or not.
But that's exactly what the Giants have been doing since 2015. Media and fans pitch a fit about Joe Blow and the Giants fire him hours later.
We need to end this myth that the Giants aren't open to firing people. They have become quite good at it actually.
agreed. you know they are really just grooming Tim McConnell to run the entire operation.
The Maras are exhibit A why we need oppressive estate taxes.
If we lose to Sammy Darnold this weekend, they might start casting the die.
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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?
It starts the process of the rebuild. It allows the draft to proceed without the process being tainted by Gettleman's system. It also removes his stench from the organization.
Who are they going to replace him with during the season? GM candidates that are working for other teams aren't available. If you promote Abrams it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It does nothing for the future of the team except make you and bunch of other fans happy for three seconds.
Easy, it gives the Giants a head start over other clubs in searching for his replacement. Also, it prevents Gettleman from making any desperate win now moves to try to salvage his job.
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Will it make the team better? Will a new GM come in and automatically get better players? Other teams' GM prospects are busy with their current clubs to interview for an in season opening. What would it accomplish other than satisfying a few fans that want everybody fired?
Easy, it gives the Giants a head start over other clubs in searching for his replacement. Also, it prevents Gettleman from making any desperate win now moves to try to salvage his job.
Ding, ding.
Who really selected S. Barkley, D.Jones, etc? How is the draft desirability list made etc?
I guess I am saying there is lots of hatred directed at DG, but how many of us or who knows the organization and decision making process in the FO of Giants? How much blame, other than it’s his desk, does he deserve for the poor roster/play of the giants as it’s discussed here.
Organizational charts and changes are not as simple as “clean house”, “fire the GM” etc.For all of you who scream “analytics” here I would like to see data that helps make these questions clear.
Robustelli complained that he had no real authority. Wellington Mara made all the decisions. Other GMs stated that when they called Robustelli to talk trade, Robustelli was unable to give definitive answers and it was obvious that he had to check with ownership before committing to anything. It was only after Rozelle intervened and told Mara that he had to give full authority to George Young that the Giants finally made progress.