Some snippits from the Athletic, Duggan the real Dan dropping Dimes:
"Williams isn’t the only player to invoke the perfect storm that allowed the Giants, who finished 6-10, to remain in the NFC East race until the final game of last season. The players can’t be faulted for failing to recognize that staying in contention in a historically bad division wasn’t an achievement. They’re merely following the lead of a franchise that has mastered the art of self-delusion.
Giants leadership has opted to squint and tilt losing seasons until an angle can be found to glean positivity rather than making the necessary hard evaluations of a franchise that has lost more games than any team in the league over the past five seasons."
"Defenders of Gettleman used to point to the situation he inherited: a 3-13 team with locker room problems. But general manager jobs typically don’t become open unless things are bad. What does it say about Gettleman’s evaluation skills that he assessed the state of the team and determined he could turn it around immediately? He hatched an ill-fated plan to win while rebuilding and failed on both fronts.
Despite a 5-11 record in 2018, there remained a sense of denial surrounding the franchise. Gettleman laughably touted the Giants leading the NFC East in points scored after finishing in last place in the division. He said the team was headed in the right direction because it went 4-4 in the second half of the season despite losing its final three games.
No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win. Somehow, the Giants convinced themselves that they were close to contending and went all-in this offseason with a spending spree."
"The Giants need to run a real search for their next general manager, and candidates from other teams can’t be interviewed until after the season. An outside voice is desperately needed to provide a George Young-level organizational shakeup."
https://theathletic.com/2897500/2021/10/18/another-miserable-start-must-be-a-wake-up-call-for-a-giants-franchise-that-has-lost-its-way?source=user-shared-article
Hell, I might just print it out & mail it to the team.
"The Giants need to run a real search for their next general manager, and candidates from other teams can’t be interviewed until after the season. An outside voice is desperately needed to provide a George Young-level organizational shakeup."
"The Giants need to run a real search for their next general manager, and candidates from other teams can’t be interviewed until after the season. An outside voice is desperately needed to provide a George Young-level organizational shakeup."
There's going to be a fan base revolt & media meltdown if it's someone hired from within.
Boy ain't that the truth.
Wake up, Mara.
Wake up, Mara.
GT, if this doesn't wake him up & realize big changes need to be made...well, I fear we're fucked for a long, long time.
Wake up, Mara.
Especially the stretching to put a positive spin on things. When we called that out (you especially) we were told we're not real fans. Huh.
No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win."
No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win."
No no no. A lot of us saw through the bull****. It was just fans like GettleDogMan.
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No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win."
No no no. A lot of us saw through the bull****. It was just fans like GettleDogMan.
Every year we have the argument of draft position vs wins. It's not just the weird users. No matter how terrible the team has been for 10 years people still really, really care about meaningless end of season games as proof of a growing culture.
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No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win."
No no no. A lot of us saw through the bull****. It was just fans like GettleDogMan.
Every year we have the argument of draft position vs wins. It's not just the weird users. No matter how terrible the team has been for 10 years people still really, really care about meaningless end of season games as proof of a growing culture.
That's true. Maybe I just tune it out. The other interesting thing is there is probably data that show (either way) whether late season wins yield momentum or growth or whatever. It's not some un-answerable mystery. Probably just need the right regression.
Sorry for the cursing, but I'm fed the fuck up, Haha.
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No franchise puts more stock in winning meaningless December games. The Giants went 1-3 and were outscored 92-49 in their final four games last season, yet there was Gettleman after the season crowing about how the team had made progress in learning how to win."
No no no. A lot of us saw through the bull****. It was just fans like GettleDogMan.
And it'll happen again. I am fairly sure that we'll win a game or two we're not supposed to win this year against a quality opponent, and somehow that win will offset 5 losses in their mind and will represent progress, or an ability to play with anyone so long as we're not unlucky, or some bullshit like that.
you might be on to something. Maybe we should all put in and hire a plane with a banner.
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on a banner ?
you might be on to something. Maybe we should all put in and hire a plane with a banner.
There are definitely enough pissed off people on this site with spare change that we can do a banner or billboard. Someone trustworthy just needs to organize it.
& I'd argue those BBIers are a very small minority.
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who want to ride or die with Jones. It's completely stupid. It's so obvious he can't play. We are a laughingstock. Non-Giant fans think the team is an irrelevant joke.
& I'd argue those BBIers are a very small minority.
I sure hope so. I think this it is crazy that we have a QB that is playing like a back-up and some people don't see it.
Having given them lots of chances to see if it works, I'm at the point where I don't need to see any more. This ownership and upper management have proven that THEY don't work. Same problems year after year, nothing gets fixed.
DG is just a symptom. This is very deep rot.
2013: 7-9 “but we finished 7-3!”
2014: 6-10 “but we finished 3-1”
2015: 6-19 “but Eli played great, and McAdoo will fix everything”
2017: 3-13 “but Eli just needs a running game, did you see how good they looked running the ball against the Redskins in the last game of the season!”
It’s systemic. No one in that building wants to face hard truths. Or they’re afraid to speak truthfully.
Do you have any examples of those people “riding or dying” with Daniel Jones? Or are you just making shit up again?
2013: 7-9 “but we finished 7-3!”
2014: 6-10 “but we finished 3-1”
2015: 6-19 “but Eli played great, and McAdoo will fix everything”
2017: 3-13 “but Eli just needs a running game, did you see how good they looked running the ball against the Redskins in the last game of the season!”
It’s systemic. No one in that building wants to face hard truths. Or they’re afraid to speak truthfully.
We played 25 games in '15? Haha.
No, but I get what you're saying. Mara needs to stop this façade of pretending how we finish one year is going to translate into the next year. This isn't the '80s. There's so much turnover.
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who want to ride or die with Jones. It's completely stupid. It's so obvious he can't play. We are a laughingstock. Non-Giant fans think the team is an irrelevant joke.
Do you have any examples of those people “riding or dying” with Daniel Jones? Or are you just making shit up again?
If you read the board you will see them. They still have doubts. Many posters on here.
Are you able to converse without being such an asshole?
The entire mentality of the team is in the stone age.
I believe they put too much weight on things that are not of utmost importance.
For example, hiring a GM who knows the organization already. All that means is John Mara feels comfortable with the guy and not that he is the best candidate.
Danny Dimes - the connection to Eli and coach Cutcliff. The fact that he has a similar demeanor to Eli. All of that in my opinion played too much of a role when deciding which QB to draft.
Sounds like a guy that posts here on BBI, or maybe two.
You look at the names on some of these lists that come out.Whether it be for coach or GM,and you could end up with someone who talks like a General Manager,but wouldn't know LT from a BLT.
I believe they put too much weight on things that are not of utmost importance.
For example, hiring a GM who knows the organization already. All that means is John Mara feels comfortable with the guy and not that he is the best candidate.
Danny Dimes - the connection to Eli and coach Cutcliff. The fact that he has a similar demeanor to Eli. All of that in my opinion played too much of a role when deciding which QB to draft.
If this doesn't change in the next hire, we're in for ten more years of this.
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he has no idea who to hire as the GM or coach.
I believe they put too much weight on things that are not of utmost importance.
For example, hiring a GM who knows the organization already. All that means is John Mara feels comfortable with the guy and not that he is the best candidate.
Danny Dimes - the connection to Eli and coach Cutcliff. The fact that he has a similar demeanor to Eli. All of that in my opinion played too much of a role when deciding which QB to draft.
If this doesn't change in the next hire, we're in for ten more years of this.
I actually thinkk it will never end until John Mara and the family just steps away from ANY decision making at all for this team.
The only thing John Mara can decide is what food he wants in his owner's box on Sunday. Outside of that.. he needs to stay clear of this team. Otherwise, it will be more than 10 years.
But good for Duggan for re-packaging a lot of what is discussed on this board and giving it more light in The Athletic. Can't hurt.
-- John Mara, January 2021, State of the Union
Until the Broncos started to pull away week 1, I think the entire Giants leadership was convinced the team was emerging as a contender. I don’t know why they thought that, but they did. All the actions taken point to that being the consensus.
The last few weeks have to have been a shock to them.
But good for Duggan for re-packaging a lot of what is discussed on this board and giving it more light in The Athletic. Can't hurt.
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“There’s no defending the record,” Mara said. “We haven’t won enough games. Listen, we made some miscalculations in 2018, but in the past two years we’ve seen significant improvement. To break that up now, to bring someone new from the outside was not going to be beneficial for us. If our fans continue to stay patient with us, they’ll see a winning team soon.”
-- John Mara, January 2021, State of the Union
Was that soon in normal time or geologic?
And then you read quotes like this from Ralph V, and you really REALLY worry: "But the bigger question is whether Mara will go outside the organization for the first time since the NFL forced George Young on the Mara family back in 1979 -- something, by the way that he absolutely, positively doesn't want to do."
This organization is so screwed up.
All Jones needs is a legit RT1 and two guards and a swing tackle who can pass block (there’s tons of those available late in the summer which is the perfect time to look for bargain O line) and a healthy Saquon and Kenny G and Toney and fire Garrett and promote Freddy Kitchens (a proven winner!) and let Joe Judge pick the new GM and get an edge in the draft (after we get a DT1 with our 1st pick) and we’re right back in the hunt.
Somebody tell Dan “know it all” Duggan and anyone else in lame stream sports media with their fancy paywalls and statistical numbers that this submarine doesn’t have any windows!
All Jones needs is a legit RT1 and two guards and a swing tackle who can pass block (there’s tons of those available late in the summer which is the perfect time to look for bargain O line) and a healthy Saquon and Kenny G and Toney and fire Garrett and promote Freddy Kitchens (a proven winner!) and let Joe Judge pick the new GM and get an edge in the draft (after we get a DT1 with our 1st pick) and we’re right back in the hunt.
Somebody tell Dan “know it all” Duggan and anyone else in lame stream sports media with their fancy paywalls and statistical numbers that this submarine doesn’t have any windows!
Lmao
All Jones needs is a legit RT1 and two guards and a swing tackle who can pass block (there’s tons of those available late in the summer which is the perfect time to look for bargain O line) and a healthy Saquon and Kenny G and Toney and fire Garrett and promote Freddy Kitchens (a proven winner!) and let Joe Judge pick the new GM and get an edge in the draft (after we get a DT1 with our 1st pick) and we’re right back in the hunt.
Somebody tell Dan “know it all” Duggan and anyone else in lame stream sports media with their fancy paywalls and statistical numbers that this submarine doesn’t have any windows!
Is this parody?