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Tank for Thibodeaux

DoctorT : 10/18/2021 10:59 pm
We need defense!!
Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
cjac : 10/18/2021 11:01 pm : link
Then draft all defense the rest of the draft
Detroit is tanking.  
FStubbs : 10/18/2021 11:02 pm : link
Plus Philly might end up ahead of us with the Colts and Dolphins picks depending on how things go.
RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
broadbandz : 10/18/2021 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15420659 cjac said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft


well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.
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cjac : 10/18/2021 11:05 pm : link
In comment 15420662 broadbandz said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.


Well I think you’re an idiot. Let’s look at Jones career stats
RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2021 11:07 pm : link
In comment 15420659 cjac said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft


Thibodeaux is a better prospect.
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cjac : 10/18/2021 11:08 pm : link
In comment 15420668 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



Thibodeaux is a better prospect.


He’s a great player. And maybe we get him and someone who can help us score. We just can’t get the fucking ball in the end zone.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2021 11:13 pm : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



Thibodeaux is a better prospect.



He’s a great player. And maybe we get him and someone who can help us score. We just can’t get the fucking ball in the end zone.


I like Malik Willis, but he’s not a #1 overall pick type of prospect. Thibodeaux is.
Defense  
DoctorT : 10/18/2021 11:14 pm : link
Has always been the linchpin of great Giants teams-we cant stop anyone.
We can win with Jones and an improved OL- I long for the days when we took pride in our D.
RE: Defense  
Producer : 10/18/2021 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15420675 DoctorT said:
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Has always been the linchpin of great Giants teams-we cant stop anyone.
We can win with Jones and an improved OL- I long for the days when we took pride in our D.


We can't win with Jones. He's atrocious.
RE: Defense  
cjac : 10/18/2021 11:17 pm : link
In comment 15420675 DoctorT said:
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Has always been the linchpin of great Giants teams-we cant stop anyone.
We can win with Jones and an improved OL- I long for the days when we took pride in our D.


I agree that the D absolutely blows

I wanted Josh Allen (the d end), Devon White; and Simmons.


But I still think we need a new QB. Jones is 9-23. How do bounce back from that?
it only counts as tanking  
Giantsfan79 : 10/18/2021 11:45 pm : link
if you could win the game but intentionally lose.

I don't think we have to worry about the Giants doing THAT.
RE: Detroit is tanking.  
j_rud : 10/18/2021 11:57 pm : link
In comment 15420661 FStubbs said:
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Plus Philly might end up ahead of us with the Colts and Dolphins picks depending on how things go.


The Lions are not intentionally losing games they could win. They may be a bad team but I fully believe Campbell would resign if asked to throw games.
The good thing about being bad  
widmerseyebrow : 10/19/2021 1:08 am : link
is that any position helps us. Just staying away from running backs in the first round, Kevin Abrams.
just hoping this massive sucking sound  
thrunthrublue : 10/19/2021 1:57 am : link
takes out DG....old school JJ...all the scouts....everyone responsible for fielding this abomination has to go with the technical execution Michael Corleone used during that baptism....with gentleman asking for a favor, for old times sake....and lastly......JJ thinking he's heading to the draft with his bags packs ending up kicking our the windshield.
RE: RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
MyNameIsMyName : 10/19/2021 2:42 am : link
In comment 15420662 broadbandz said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.


Playing great, lol. The bar is so low here anymore
RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
Tuckrule : 10/19/2021 6:07 am : link
In comment 15420659 cjac said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft


Yea! Let’s neglect the line and draft another qb because clearly QB is the number 1 issue on the roster!

How about fix the fucking line. Even if jones isn’t the answer it makes no sense to take a qb when we literally have 1 offensive lineman who’s worth a damn. You can draft Willis, who I think stinks, or corral and it won’t matter if they are playing behind a shit line. They’ll be mentally damaged. Jones clock sped up the second Thomas went out. First play of the game jones gets destroyed because Nate barely touched Leonard Floyd. Do fans watch the fucking games or you guys just blame the QB for everything.
Tanking for QB  
LeftHook : 10/19/2021 6:22 am : link
Not with this OL, lol
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Toth029 : 10/19/2021 6:25 am : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.



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They had no trouble scoring in 2019 when they didn't have Garrett as his OC
Hopefully  
KDavies : 10/19/2021 6:42 am : link
this works out as well as tank for Chase Young. Other teams beat them out, Giants fans lose their shit, and the Giants wind up getting a franchise LT
Seriously though, the whole tank for X thing is stupid  
KDavies : 10/19/2021 6:49 am : link
coaches are coaching for their jobs, and future jobs. Players are playing for theirs. They aren’t going to lose so some fans can be happy to get some college prospect who may or may not be overhyped.

There are a lot of bad teams. Lions, Jags, Jets, Texans, Dolphins.

Giants will likely have a top 6 pick, another top 15 pick, and 5 in the top 70
I'm still not sure what to think about Jones  
Matt M. : 10/19/2021 6:54 am : link
But, great is never a word that comes to mind. Did we already forget how awful he looked against Dallas before he left the game?
I will lose my shit if we don't address the OL next draft  
Rick in Dallas : 10/19/2021 6:57 am : link
We could have had Rashawn Slater being the perfect bookend OT to Andrew Thomas last draft but passed on him thinking the current OL was NFL ready...WRONG again DG.
The Giants will string together some wins  
fivehead : 10/19/2021 7:02 am : link
once they are eliminated from the playoffs. We'll be picking 15th and 29th.
RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
Victor in CT : 10/19/2021 7:22 am : link
In comment 15420659 cjac said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft


brilliant. ditch the QB who has played well when given any modicum of support for a raw QB from a small school while at the same time not drafting any OL to help him. GREAT PLAN!!
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cjac : 10/19/2021 7:25 am : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



brilliant. ditch the QB who has played well when given any modicum of support for a raw QB from a small school while at the same time not drafting any OL to help him. GREAT PLAN!!


I hope you remember this conversation in 3 years when that kid is lighting up the NFL, and Daniel Jones is fumbling and throwing interceptions
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Victor in CT : 10/19/2021 7:37 am : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



brilliant. ditch the QB who has played well when given any modicum of support for a raw QB from a small school while at the same time not drafting any OL to help him. GREAT PLAN!!



I hope you remember this conversation in 3 years when that kid is lighting up the NFL, and Daniel Jones is fumbling and throwing interceptions


the kid may very well turn out to be a player, but he won't if you bring him here and stick him behind a 1 man OL. And that's only if Andrew Thomas plays. If he's hurt they have nothing.
People here think the Giants  
Mike from Ohio : 10/19/2021 8:10 am : link
Need to try and lose games? They can play their hearts out the rest of the year and probably end up in the top 3.
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Mike from Ohio : 10/19/2021 8:12 am : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.



Playing great, lol. The bar is so low here anymore


In a few years some people on BBI will speak about the 4th quarter of the Saints game with such reverence you will think it was a 30 point rally so win the Superbowl.
Dump Gettleman and forget about best available player  
GeofromNJ : 10/19/2021 8:23 am : link
I would have a competent GM draft offensive linemen and pass rushers in the first four rounds. With an O line, this team will score points. With a pass rush, this team's D backs won't have to be any better than they currently are.
EDGE players seem to be very up and down each year  
Kanavis : 10/19/2021 8:34 am : link
It is hard to be consistent. Edge rushers seem to have a lot of down years. In fact, I don't know that I can point to anyone who has had a great run of 4 to 5 years except perhaps Donald, and he may not technically be Edge.

I remember the repeated and dire warnings from some that we had set ourselves back 10 years by missing on Chase Young.

Win the games you can, sort out the front office, and take the players who are best available for your team. Someone taken in round 2 next year could end up being the best of everyone. We also just got manhandled by a team that seems to put very little value on the top part of the draft.
They may well end up with a high pick  
UberAlias : 10/19/2021 8:38 am : link
But there won’t be any tanking. At most a disinterest from the players. I’d rather see them get healthy and get their shit together.
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cjac : 10/19/2021 8:59 am : link
In comment 15420786 Mike from Ohio said:
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In a few years some people on BBI will speak about the 4th quarter of the Saints game with such reverence you will think it was a 30 point rally so win the Superbowl.


We only had 10 points with 7 minutes left in the game. And got lucky that the long TD was called back.
RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
mphbullet36 : 10/19/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15420659 cjac said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft


so put the same offensive line behind a rookie QB? That seems like it would work out...
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cjac : 10/19/2021 9:24 am : link
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



so put the same offensive line behind a rookie QB? That seems like it would work out...


The offensive line would be behind him because he’ll be 20 yards downfield before you blink

Again I’ll say what I said earlier in the thread. Talk to me in 3 years when Malik Willis is tearing it up and Daniel Jones is still not scoring TDs
Guys  
ajr2456 : 10/19/2021 10:06 am : link
What about the meaningless winning streak to get to 5 wins and give us momentum for next year? How can we give that up?
RE: RE: Id rather tank for the QB from Liberty  
Thegratefulhead : 10/19/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15420662 broadbandz said:
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Then draft all defense the rest of the draft



well you're an idiot. Jones was playing great before the injury.
QBs that play great put the ball in the end zone more than once a game genius.
RE: I will lose my shit if we don't address the OL next draft  
Tuckrule : 10/19/2021 10:37 am : link
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We could have had Rashawn Slater being the perfect bookend OT to Andrew Thomas last draft but passed on him thinking the current OL was NFL ready...WRONG again DG.


So you rather have slater than Toney and the bears 1st?

I was as big as any slater supporter I was calling for him over Sewell if we had the pick of either. I knew he’d be a stud and a stud at tackle not guard as many said. Short arms etc nonsense. Dude has the feet of a tight end. Still, I’m all for that trade because this is roster building. We weren’t a tackle away from being a competitive football team. We have a replacement for Shepard who’s young and explosive and now we have what should amount to two top 12 picks
RE: People here think the Giants  
Scooter185 : 10/19/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15420782 Mike from Ohio said:
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Need to try and lose games? They can play their hearts out the rest of the year and probably end up in the top 3.


Michael Kay made this point yesterday. They have the worst record since 2017 and they've been trying!

As far as Jones is concerned, he could be playing in the CFL in 3 years and I'm sure there will be posters here mad that we got rid of the "franchise" QB.
QB is not even 3rd on the list of greatest weaknesses or needs  
TJ : 10/19/2021 12:10 pm : link
If Giants do not get new OL and pass rush the team will lose.
RE: RE: I will lose my shit if we don't address the OL next draft  
bw in dc : 10/19/2021 12:12 pm : link
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We could have had Rashawn Slater being the perfect bookend OT to Andrew Thomas last draft but passed on him thinking the current OL was NFL ready...WRONG again DG.



So you rather have slater than Toney and the bears 1st?



I would - yes. Here's why. We pretty much know right now what Slater is. And that is a player trending to be a Pro Bowl/All Pro caliber. With AT showing well, we would have a terrific set of bookend tackles. Or wherever you want to put Slater. After a decade of failing to find OL solutions, you wouldn't sign for that??

Slater is a proven asset right now. So give me that right now over two first round picks where you are hoping to make the best guess possible.
Talented player  
ghost718 : 10/19/2021 12:15 pm : link
But there's no one worth tanking for.Not Trevor Lawrence,not Chase Young...Not this guy.

Not to play what they call football these days.
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