after games like Sunday's. My concern about the looming trade deadline is who will be making those decisions? Is DG willing to accept that this team is going nowhere and make trades for a future he will almost certainly not be part of? Normally I would be OK with letting someone finish out the season and walk off into retirement, but in this case, even more damage can be done.
after games like Sunday's. My concern about the looming trade deadline is who will be making those decisions? Is DG willing to accept that this team is going nowhere and make trades for a future he will almost certainly not be part of? Normally I would be OK with letting someone finish out the season and walk off into retirement, but in this case, even more damage can be done.
I've been a big proponent of trading away players for picks in recent years, but I wouldn't do it this year. The people making the decisions right now can't be trusted. They are incompetent.
Better to let the new regime make these decisions.
Why is Graham lining up Peppers in coverage against Cooper Kupp? Graham must know that Peppers doesn’t do well in coverage, yet he puts him up against one of the more elusive receivers in the NFL.
Why is Graham lining up Peppers in coverage against Cooper Kupp? Graham must know that Peppers doesn’t do well in coverage, yet he puts him up against one of the more elusive receivers in the NFL.
Our safeties are the worst cover safeties in the league..
Peppers is bad but Ryan and McKinney are worse.
RE: RE: Sy should get battle pay for writing these
after games like Sunday's. My concern about the looming trade deadline is who will be making those decisions? Is DG willing to accept that this team is going nowhere and make trades for a future he will almost certainly not be part of? Normally I would be OK with letting someone finish out the season and walk off into retirement, but in this case, even more damage can be done.
I've been a big proponent of trading away players for picks in recent years, but I wouldn't do it this year. The people making the decisions right now can't be trusted. They are incompetent.
Better to let the new regime make these decisions.
This. While I would like JJ to remain as HC, the entire front office needs to be BLOWN UP. Now maybe the former will not occur if the latter does, but right now, talent management is an absolute disaster in this organization and the current decision makers should not be allowed to continue in those roles.
This team is so bad - from a player AND player/contract point of view that we are talking about our best bet for a trade is dealing our 2019 1st round pick (#17 overall) for a 5th or 6th rd pick.
I agree - someone needs to take the keys away from DG right now before he makes it worse in an attempt to save his job.
wouldn't trade Lawrence for a fourth or a fifth. No way. You said it yourself, he is doing his job, but others around him aren't making plays, specifically edge rushers like Carter, Ximines, and Ojulari.
"Guys like this create opportunities for others but if those others don’t make things happen and/or the team as a whole gets torched, players like Lawrence get lost in the shuffle."
I would trade Bradberry and just about anybody else, including Shepard. The problem as you note is that because of his contract and concussion history, Shepard likely wouldn't fetch more than a late day three pick. And that is too little return to justify a trade.
The Jackson are Rudolph signings were a disaster. More reasons to fire DG.
Yep, and some here were calling him a top 5 CB. I had no problem bringing him in, he was pretty good as a rookie, but not good after that, maybe he finds his way? But that contract...
Why is Graham lining up Peppers in coverage against Cooper Kupp? Graham must know that Peppers doesn’t do well in coverage, yet he puts him up against one of the more elusive receivers in the NFL.
I wondered about this too and I don't even know if it's right to blame Peppers for poor play when he was placed in this position.
Is it foolish to wonder how many strong safeties in the league can regularly defend Cupp?
Part one of fixing a problem is acknowledging the problem and, in this case, every person involved in football operations that receives a paycheck from NYG is part of the problem.
solid players who have a future on the team. Not for a 4th or lower round pick. Lower round picks are not all that valuable. Meanwhile, you're creating another hole.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
The easiest guys to trade are the rookie contracts
Everyone drafted since 2018. Everyone they can move, they should. There's nothing wrong with accumulating day 2 and 3 draft picks.
Trade everyone you can for whatever you can get. No one here is likely to be part of the long term solution (i.e. get a second contract) anyway. In 2025 this roster is going to be almost 100% turned over from what it is now.
solid players who have a future on the team. Not for a 4th or lower round pick. Lower round picks are not all that valuable. Meanwhile, you're creating another hole.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
Good QBs can be found in bad QB drafts - that's worth keeping in mind (although it requires some skill in scouting). 2005 was considered a weak QB draft, especially on the heels of the historic 2004 QB class. In fact, the #1 overall pick was Alex Smith, who was good but not great for most of his career.
There was a HOF QB in that class, though: Aaron Rodgers.
It's definitely better to be looking for a QB in a strong QB class, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to find a really good one in what is considered a weak QB class.
DG makes personnel decisions based on the info the player personnel dept gives him. And the head of that dept is Chris Mara - an OWNER! Let that sink in for a moment.
The front office won’t be blown up, they will do nothing. When Nepotism rules the day, you are screwed
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
a 3rd (late 3erd if a contender). The Giants made a HUGE mistake drafting him. As Sy pointed out, on a contender his value is far greater. On a team that was not good and was missing tyhe horses on the defensive side, a guy who plays DT without the skills of Donald is more luxury than foundation, more stout than game changer. We wasted a 1st round pick there when we need OL or playmakers on either side of the ball.
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
I didn't see him in there that much. I wasn't watching specifically but every time I noticed it was Ximines in there. My guess was that NYG was behind and perhaps Ximines is seen as better at holding the edge at this point. Ojulari needs to add some size/strength. I don't think you can fully rate him as a pick year 1.
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
He dropped because of concerns about how he would up against the run and whether he had sufficient speed to overcome his lack of length in the pass rush.
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
Well the issues span 2 GMs and 4 coaches the only constant in that time are our scouts. This is depressing:
solid players who have a future on the team. Not for a 4th or lower round pick. Lower round picks are not all that valuable. Meanwhile, you're creating another hole.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
Good QBs can be found in bad QB drafts - that's worth keeping in mind (although it requires some skill in scouting). 2005 was considered a weak QB draft, especially on the heels of the historic 2004 QB class. In fact, the #1 overall pick was Alex Smith, who was good but not great for most of his career.
There was a HOF QB in that class, though: Aaron Rodgers.
It's definitely better to be looking for a QB in a strong QB class, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to find a really good one in what is considered a weak QB class.
I agree with this. It may be a bad class but the Giants need to do their due diligence, whoever is in charge of the selection. Perhaps there is a lower round sleeper that will pay dividends, a la Dak or Russ. This mantra that it is a bad class is frustrating, especially as we watch backup caliber play from our guy.
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
He dropped because of concerns about how he would up against the run and whether he had sufficient speed to overcome his lack of length in the pass rush.
While I have been critical of talent management, Ojulari is a player that I wanted the Giants to draft and was very happy he was there in the 2nd round. He has played all of 5 games as a professional; let's push the pause button on evaluating him until he has a couple of years in the league. I will remind everyone how bad Corey Webster was until he figured it out in his 3rd yr.
But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
Well the issues span 2 GMs and 4 coaches the only constant in that time are our scouts. This is depressing:
Remember, year 3 is all about evaluating whether or not Jones will be the long-term answer at quarterback. Part of that includes whether or not he performs well through adversity. Part of that includes how much he can elevate those around him greater than the sum of its parts. He failed here. There are a couple things that can be pointed at, but we must keep things simple. Jones was overmatched mentally and physically. No question.
I wouldn't trade Thomas, Toney, McKinney, Ojulari or Lawrence...
I think I would hold on to Lawrence for now. Perhaps he steps up some or maybe there is a injury we are not aware of. I also think part of it is he is not a high rep player. I don't think his reps were all that high his first years.
Do you think any of the interior guys can be part of the future on the OL? I think WH is gone but it would really help to have someone you can count on with the uncertainty of NG/SL. Hope they keep cycling players through to find one.
good point on the 2014 draft. even if they took Zach Martin they
+1.
The #17 pick, who plays well, for a 4 or 5? THAT sounds like it fits what the Giants FO would do, when we need the opposite done. And if it’s to a contender, it’s a late in those rounds pick. Only way I think of doing that is he’s a locker room bad guy.
Remember, year 3 is all about evaluating whether or not Jones will be the long-term answer at quarterback. Part of that includes whether or not he performs well through adversity. Part of that includes how much he can elevate those around him greater than the sum of its parts. He failed here. There are a couple things that can be pointed at, but we must keep things simple. Jones was overmatched mentally and physically. No question.
And my response to this is always, “Who is elevating something like this? Sy also said the starting right tackle shouldn’t be on a NFL roster anymore and the guy who came in at left tackle should never be tried on that side again. Barring an unimaginable turnaround/miracle, the “Daniel Jones as Giants starting QB era” is coming to a close soon. But the next man who plays QB for them, should he be expected to “elevate” this trash heap too?
Andrew Whitworth doesn’t get half the attention that he should. 16 seasons as a starting left tackle and soon-to-be 40 years old. I have all the respect in the world for Tom Brady and what he does at his age but I think what Whitworth is doing at a much more physically demanding position belongs in the same conversation.
But I would like to add what a kick in the balls it was to see him still playing great when in 2017 Reese passed on signing him because he was "too old."
Andrew Whitworth doesn’t get half the attention that he should. 16 seasons as a starting left tackle and soon-to-be 40 years old. I have all the respect in the world for Tom Brady and what he does at his age but I think what Whitworth is doing at a much more physically demanding position belongs in the same conversation.
But I would like to add what a kick in the balls it was to see him still playing great when in 2017 Reese passed on signing him because he was "too old."
DG makes personnel decisions based on the info the player personnel dept gives him. And the head of that dept is Chris Mara - an OWNER! Let that sink in for a moment.
The front office won’t be blown up, they will do nothing. When Nepotism rules the day, you are screwed
and that is the #1 problem imho, chrismara has been in charge of the horrible results of this teams personnel decisions for far too long
Remember, year 3 is all about evaluating whether or not Jones will be the long-term answer at quarterback. Part of that includes whether or not he performs well through adversity. Part of that includes how much he can elevate those around him greater than the sum of its parts. He failed here. There are a couple things that can be pointed at, but we must keep things simple. Jones was overmatched mentally and physically. No question.
And my response to this is always, “Who is elevating something like this? Sy also said the starting right tackle shouldn’t be on a NFL roster anymore and the guy who came in at left tackle should never be tried on that side again. Barring an unimaginable turnaround/miracle, the “Daniel Jones as Giants starting QB era” is coming to a close soon. But the next man who plays QB for them, should he be expected to “elevate” this trash heap too?
The team around jones can be a total dumpster fire with no expectation of a win AND you can still have some reasonable expectations of certain things. To me, the fumbles and the ball security would be one area where you still expect a certain standard of play no matter who is injured or out. "He was just trying to make something happen" isn't always a valid explanation for a 3rd year veteran.
I think he had 1 bad INT, the fumbles are more my issue here. Especially when it's coming from the right side, not a blind hit.
Why is Graham lining up Peppers in coverage against Cooper Kupp? Graham must know that Peppers doesn’t do well in coverage, yet he puts him up against one of the more elusive receivers in the NFL.
Doesn't do well in coverage is an understatement.
This says Graham is desperate/overthinking things to try different looks, and only being outmatched on gameday.
Anybody that was wondering whether Peppers should be extended has gotten that answered loud and clear these first two months of the season...
The Giants best bet to moving forward is to clean house at the top of the organization. Hire the Sam Hinkie of NFL GMs, clean out the entire scouting department, the salary cap guys and go out and hire some poor sacrificial lamb to be the head coach (the Brett Brown of NFL coaches) as they completely turn this roster over again knowing this is an organization overhaul..not just a roster overhaul.
THe Giants are stuck with the guys they have. No one wants Jackson, Martinez, Bradberry, Williams, Galloday, Shepard...we are stuck with them. They are going to have to live with them on the roster for the foreseeable future. That is why they will suck - it's going to take awhile for these players to be cuttable b/c the dead money is just brutal.
The most important thing, and the reason for why DG needs to go immediately, is they can't double down on guys that are failures. They can't resign Jones, Barkley, Peppers, Engram...none of those guys can be back here. That would be a disaster.
I've been a big proponent of trading away players for picks in recent years, but I wouldn't do it this year. The people making the decisions right now can't be trusted. They are incompetent.
Better to let the new regime make these decisions.
Our safeties are the worst cover safeties in the league..
Peppers is bad but Ryan and McKinney are worse.
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after games like Sunday's. My concern about the looming trade deadline is who will be making those decisions? Is DG willing to accept that this team is going nowhere and make trades for a future he will almost certainly not be part of? Normally I would be OK with letting someone finish out the season and walk off into retirement, but in this case, even more damage can be done.
I've been a big proponent of trading away players for picks in recent years, but I wouldn't do it this year. The people making the decisions right now can't be trusted. They are incompetent.
Better to let the new regime make these decisions.
This. While I would like JJ to remain as HC, the entire front office needs to be BLOWN UP. Now maybe the former will not occur if the latter does, but right now, talent management is an absolute disaster in this organization and the current decision makers should not be allowed to continue in those roles.
This team is so bad - from a player AND player/contract point of view that we are talking about our best bet for a trade is dealing our 2019 1st round pick (#17 overall) for a 5th or 6th rd pick.
I agree - someone needs to take the keys away from DG right now before he makes it worse in an attempt to save his job.
I agree. I would trade Bradberry though, especially if said team will take Adoree too.
"Guys like this create opportunities for others but if those others don’t make things happen and/or the team as a whole gets torched, players like Lawrence get lost in the shuffle."
I would trade Bradberry and just about anybody else, including Shepard. The problem as you note is that because of his contract and concussion history, Shepard likely wouldn't fetch more than a late day three pick. And that is too little return to justify a trade.
The Jackson are Rudolph signings were a disaster. More reasons to fire DG.
Agreed.
Yep, and some here were calling him a top 5 CB. I had no problem bringing him in, he was pretty good as a rookie, but not good after that, maybe he finds his way? But that contract...
I wondered about this too and I don't even know if it's right to blame Peppers for poor play when he was placed in this position.
Is it foolish to wonder how many strong safeties in the league can regularly defend Cupp?
Gettleman's obsession with defensive players from Georgia certainly hasn't paid off.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
Trade everyone you can for whatever you can get. No one here is likely to be part of the long term solution (i.e. get a second contract) anyway. In 2025 this roster is going to be almost 100% turned over from what it is now.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
Good QBs can be found in bad QB drafts - that's worth keeping in mind (although it requires some skill in scouting). 2005 was considered a weak QB draft, especially on the heels of the historic 2004 QB class. In fact, the #1 overall pick was Alex Smith, who was good but not great for most of his career.
There was a HOF QB in that class, though: Aaron Rodgers.
It's definitely better to be looking for a QB in a strong QB class, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to find a really good one in what is considered a weak QB class.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
The front office won’t be blown up, they will do nothing. When Nepotism rules the day, you are screwed
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
He dropped because of concerns about how he would up against the run and whether he had sufficient speed to overcome his lack of length in the pass rush.
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
Well the issues span 2 GMs and 4 coaches the only constant in that time are our scouts. This is depressing:
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
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solid players who have a future on the team. Not for a 4th or lower round pick. Lower round picks are not all that valuable. Meanwhile, you're creating another hole.
If you see a cap casualty coming up, sure. Get what you can.
This is not necessarily make or break season for Jones. College watchers are indicating this is not the year to want a QB, so don't look for one in the draft. IMO, going one more year with Jones is no different than picking up some other wannabe whose future is most likely behind him. All this season says about Jones is whether to pass or jump IF a viable alternative is available. It's a moot point if there's no alternative. Plus, with Toney, Golladay, Slayton, and Barkley likely to be available down the stretch, Shep is NOT going to be the difference in being able to evaluate Jones.
Good QBs can be found in bad QB drafts - that's worth keeping in mind (although it requires some skill in scouting). 2005 was considered a weak QB draft, especially on the heels of the historic 2004 QB class. In fact, the #1 overall pick was Alex Smith, who was good but not great for most of his career.
There was a HOF QB in that class, though: Aaron Rodgers.
It's definitely better to be looking for a QB in a strong QB class, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to find a really good one in what is considered a weak QB class.
I agree with this. It may be a bad class but the Giants need to do their due diligence, whoever is in charge of the selection. Perhaps there is a lower round sleeper that will pay dividends, a la Dak or Russ. This mantra that it is a bad class is frustrating, especially as we watch backup caliber play from our guy.
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
He dropped because of concerns about how he would up against the run and whether he had sufficient speed to overcome his lack of length in the pass rush.
While I have been critical of talent management, Ojulari is a player that I wanted the Giants to draft and was very happy he was there in the 2nd round. He has played all of 5 games as a professional; let's push the pause button on evaluating him until he has a couple of years in the league. I will remind everyone how bad Corey Webster was until he figured it out in his 3rd yr.
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But he really has been invisible lately, and I already knew Ximines and Carter wouldn't produce anything. Very depressing.
At some point, it has to be the scouting, right? It feels like we haven't drafted an impact rusher/end in about 15 years.
Or is it the coaching. Wasn't this guy projected as a first rounder, possibly even their first round selection? What gives? The issue is most likely everything involved. But, how is it that almost every player they select appears to get progressively worse over time?
Well the issues span 2 GMs and 4 coaches the only constant in that time are our scouts. This is depressing:
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
That really is a sorry bunch.
Do you think any of the interior guys can be part of the future on the OL? I think WH is gone but it would really help to have someone you can count on with the uncertainty of NG/SL. Hope they keep cycling players through to find one.
+1.
The #17 pick, who plays well, for a 4 or 5? THAT sounds like it fits what the Giants FO would do, when we need the opposite done. And if it’s to a contender, it’s a late in those rounds pick. Only way I think of doing that is he’s a locker room bad guy.
And my response to this is always, “Who is elevating something like this? Sy also said the starting right tackle shouldn’t be on a NFL roster anymore and the guy who came in at left tackle should never be tried on that side again. Barring an unimaginable turnaround/miracle, the “Daniel Jones as Giants starting QB era” is coming to a close soon. But the next man who plays QB for them, should he be expected to “elevate” this trash heap too?
But I would like to add what a kick in the balls it was to see him still playing great when in 2017 Reese passed on signing him because he was "too old."
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Andrew Whitworth doesn’t get half the attention that he should. 16 seasons as a starting left tackle and soon-to-be 40 years old. I have all the respect in the world for Tom Brady and what he does at his age but I think what Whitworth is doing at a much more physically demanding position belongs in the same conversation.
But I would like to add what a kick in the balls it was to see him still playing great when in 2017 Reese passed on signing him because he was "too old."
THIS!!
I don't think Tennessee misses him...
I'm still sad about that decision. Lots of fast guys on the planet, not so many big athletic ones.
The front office won’t be blown up, they will do nothing. When Nepotism rules the day, you are screwed
and that is the #1 problem imho, chrismara has been in charge of the horrible results of this teams personnel decisions for far too long
I'm still sad about that decision. Lots of fast guys on the planet, not so many big athletic ones.
You nailed it. Big athletic men who influence the physical nature of the game. Strong Front 7 and OL then work out to the perimeter.
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Remember, year 3 is all about evaluating whether or not Jones will be the long-term answer at quarterback. Part of that includes whether or not he performs well through adversity. Part of that includes how much he can elevate those around him greater than the sum of its parts. He failed here. There are a couple things that can be pointed at, but we must keep things simple. Jones was overmatched mentally and physically. No question.
And my response to this is always, “Who is elevating something like this? Sy also said the starting right tackle shouldn’t be on a NFL roster anymore and the guy who came in at left tackle should never be tried on that side again. Barring an unimaginable turnaround/miracle, the “Daniel Jones as Giants starting QB era” is coming to a close soon. But the next man who plays QB for them, should he be expected to “elevate” this trash heap too?
The team around jones can be a total dumpster fire with no expectation of a win AND you can still have some reasonable expectations of certain things. To me, the fumbles and the ball security would be one area where you still expect a certain standard of play no matter who is injured or out. "He was just trying to make something happen" isn't always a valid explanation for a 3rd year veteran.
I think he had 1 bad INT, the fumbles are more my issue here. Especially when it's coming from the right side, not a blind hit.
I'd expect a similar process now - by the ends of 2024 I expect only a couple guys on the current roster to still be here.
Trade everyone you can as soon as you can. Accumulate day 2 and 3 picks. Accelerate cap his to 2022.
Everyone you can.
Doesn't do well in coverage is an understatement.
This says Graham is desperate/overthinking things to try different looks, and only being outmatched on gameday.
Anybody that was wondering whether Peppers should be extended has gotten that answered loud and clear these first two months of the season...
Because paying him a second contract doesn't make a lot of sense.
None one wants these guys with these contracts.
The Giants best bet to moving forward is to clean house at the top of the organization. Hire the Sam Hinkie of NFL GMs, clean out the entire scouting department, the salary cap guys and go out and hire some poor sacrificial lamb to be the head coach (the Brett Brown of NFL coaches) as they completely turn this roster over again knowing this is an organization overhaul..not just a roster overhaul.
THe Giants are stuck with the guys they have. No one wants Jackson, Martinez, Bradberry, Williams, Galloday, Shepard...we are stuck with them. They are going to have to live with them on the roster for the foreseeable future. That is why they will suck - it's going to take awhile for these players to be cuttable b/c the dead money is just brutal.
The most important thing, and the reason for why DG needs to go immediately, is they can't double down on guys that are failures. They can't resign Jones, Barkley, Peppers, Engram...none of those guys can be back here. That would be a disaster.