Riffing of this paragraph from Sy:
"Adoree’ Jackson continues to put up poor performance after poor performance. What an awful signing that was a clear attempt at throwing an expensive band aid on a problem this front office did not properly forecast. He was attacked on 3rd down, allowing 3 conversions and allowed a touchdown.”
Cutting Jackson next offseason would result in an $18.5mm dead cap hit ($3mm more than if they kept him).
Jackson is probably untradeable because his 2022 base is $10mm, meaning there is likely to be very little interest from other teams at that level.
So you probably can’t trade him, cutting him would help in 2023 but present an additional burden for 2022, and he has been playing poorly.
I could write something similar about Shepard, who at least is playing well. Martinez’s contract similarly has been structured to create room in 2021 but escalates to $14mm in 2022. Every time I look at one of the Giants’ big contract players, everything is backloaded. DG and Abrams have constructed a contract structure for a team in the middle of a championship push.
This team is in a straitjacket.
I missed the news item but Martinez was restructured to push even more of his cap hit into 2022.
The pain for the Giants has just begun. This will likely end up as one of the very worst 2-season stretches (2021 and 22) in this franchise’s long history. The team sucks and we may need to execute a salary cap purge.
Maybe Judge needs to start interviewing for college jobs. Who’d want to coach this mess next season?
They can't afford to cut him. How much they play him is another matter.
Theres no quick fix here. This team might win 3 or 4 games this year, but its possible that to truly begin to turn it around they only win 1 or 2 next year.
The Giants have executed a similar spending spree and have 1 win to show for it. (And it would be zero if a Saints player had recovered Saquon’s fumble.)
I think I’m coming to the position that the entire management and coaching staff can go. An amateur couldn’t f*** things up this badly.
Realize the front office is putting loads of picks and dollars into trying to stabilize that secondary. But unfortunately they seem as successful at actually doing it as they are in fixing the Offensive Line.
Hopefully Jackson's early play is still a function of his injury this summer. And a little more time solves for that and his lack of confidence.
^This. We should try and limit as much of the cap damage as possible from all these bad signings to 2022.
This is what happens when you make poor hires. Hiring Gettleman was the mistake and it set the franchise back a number of years.
Jackson, Bradberry , Martinez and even Logan Ryan gets 14M!! Really?
This D is horrible and costs us $88M today for next year for those 5 players. WTH!!!
Williams-27M
Bradberry-21M
Martinez 14m
Ryan 12+M
Jackson 15M
We are stuck it seems next year with this albatross that Abrams/DG put forward thinking this could be a competitive team.
The D has no excuses except for Martinez (which is huge)
Mark.It.Down
And then doubling down by restructuring guys like Bradberry, Ryan, and Martinez, pushing more money onto next year's cap. Just awful, awful, awful cap management. But some here will say "you can always move money around". Well, this is what happens when you do.
Ryan maybe, given the NE connection, but why are you so sure about Jackson? You seem to want to give DG a pass on everything. As I've said before, Judge may have wanted these guys, but DG negotiated the deals. The money is on him, full stop.
I always circle back to the same thing. The drafting has to improve to get out of this cycle. They have to figure out how to better identify traits that are translating to NFL play at priority positions that impact the physical nature of the game.
Stop with the quick fixes.
As someone pointed out, Gettleman assembled this team as if we were the Bills, Bucs, Chiefs or Cowboys.
Not to completely change the subject, but I think it's relevant due to cap issues - the biggest "tragedy" in all of this is, I at least, have no idea what we have at QB entering the end of his rookie contract. I am not a huge Jones defender or hater, but even with the amount of skill added on offense - the combination of what appears to be poor coaching / scheming, personnel, OL changes and injuries, I have no idea who he is.
I don't THINK he is the type of QB to elevate a team like the top 10 QB's in the league do. Does that mean he doesn't deserve a new contract? Not necessarily. But can we defend throwing 20-30M a year, on average, for likely 5-6 years at him?
Such a freaking disaster.
I mean you’re right that we don’t have a final grade but it’s late in the semester and it sure isn’t a B+ or A- :)
I mean you’re right that we don’t have a final grade but it’s late in the semester and it sure isn’t a B+ or A- :)
That is a good point, we have seen a decent amount from him. And what is consistent is his inconsistency (and inability to stay healthy). It's tough to wrap my head around a restart at QB.
The state of the franchise raises the level Jones needs to reach to be part of the solution. He ain’t close.
It will come in handy when a fire breaks out in the kitchen,and you look around and see 12 different cooks.
i thought it was going to be overkill thinking we'd get a Corner in the first but the eagles and some other teams where looking at him as well.
Theres no quick fix here. This team might win 3 or 4 games this year, but its possible that to truly begin to turn it around they only win 1 or 2 next year.
I’m with you. I look at cap hits (not savings in many cases) for cutting these high priced players, plus dead money, and wonder who can we restructure to afford the cuts. Looks to me like realistically we’re stuck until 2023 unless current players (overall) step it up. And 2022 draft is a success.
I always circle back to the same thing. The drafting has to improve to get out of this cycle. They have to figure out how to better identify traits that are translating to NFL play at priority positions that impact the physical nature of the game.
Stop with the quick fixes.
A TE that could block wouldn't be Rudolph. That has never been his forte. Even if Garrett wanted Rudolph, which is understandable, Garrett loves reliable pass catching TE's, DG decided to guarantee Rudolph's money even AFTER finding out about the foot injury.
I disagree that we were "all" excited, there were more than a few of us who thought the contract was ridiculous. I said in the spring exactly what I've said now, he was worth a flyer, but his track record was really poor after a good rookie year.
Then we had some BBI personnel experts calling him the 5th best CB in the league. Based on what I have no idea.
Giants had a clear hole on the opposite side of Bradberry and they thought that Jackson was a good ying to Bradberry's yang.
THey were just wrong.
The state of the franchise raises the level Jones needs to reach to be part of the solution. He ain’t close.
I am with you on this and now we have the uncertainty of the front office and coaching staff.
Giants had a clear hole on the opposite side of Bradberry and they thought that Jackson was a good ying to Bradberry's yang.
THey were just wrong.
I didn't know much about Jackson, but the signing was so odd. He has really struggled, so this is just another poor player evaluation by the FO heading south fast...
Giants had a clear hole on the opposite side of Bradberry and they thought that Jackson was a good ying to Bradberry's yang.
THey were just wrong.
Didn't they originally sign him off the trash heap, in September of the year?
Seems like they were bidding against themselves with his contract.
it never made sense to have a defensive secondary full of free agent mercenaries.
Jason McCourty was option 1 (Patriots connection); Giants made an offer and couldn't close him. McCourty chose the Dolphins (with Flores and a similar Pats connection) because he wanted to play safety and now that's backfired because he's barely playing.
It then also backfired on the Giants because they went and spent so much more on Jackson and he's been a non-entity.
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I'm a big fan of the Titans personnel choices, and letting him go was a red flag for me. He's a better player than he's showing, but he's really struggling like the rest.
Jason McCourty was option 1 (Patriots connection); Giants made an offer and couldn't close him. McCourty chose the Dolphins (with Flores and a similar Pats connection) because he wanted to play safety and now that's backfired because he's barely playing.
It then also backfired on the Giants because they went and spent so much more on Jackson and he's been a non-entity.
This makes me believe even more that Judge has been very involved in putting together the roster.
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I'm a big fan of the Titans personnel choices, and letting him go was a red flag for me. He's a better player than he's showing, but he's really struggling like the rest.
Jason McCourty was option 1 (Patriots connection); Giants made an offer and couldn't close him. McCourty chose the Dolphins (with Flores and a similar Pats connection) because he wanted to play safety and now that's backfired because he's barely playing.
It then also backfired on the Giants because they went and spent so much more on Jackson and he's been a non-entity.
At one point there were whispers AJ was getting offers at $9M per, which I think was BS. Then, the Giants go big and dumb. smh
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I'm a big fan of the Titans personnel choices, and letting him go was a red flag for me. He's a better player than he's showing, but he's really struggling like the rest.
Jason McCourty was option 1 (Patriots connection); Giants made an offer and couldn't close him. McCourty chose the Dolphins (with Flores and a similar Pats connection) because he wanted to play safety and now that's backfired because he's barely playing.
It then also backfired on the Giants because they went and spent so much more on Jackson and he's been a non-entity.
This makes me believe even more that Judge has been very involved in putting together the roster.
Why would you not believe that? The Giants have openly stated multiple times that all decisions are made together, it's on the coaching staff as much as it's on DG. It's why it's pointless when people try to put the blame on just one person, this has been a total team failure from top to bottom. Everyone is to blame.
The state of the franchise raises the level Jones needs to reach to be part of the solution. He ain’t close.
Probably closest to the truth.
At one point there were whispers AJ was getting offers at $9M per, which I think was BS. Then, the Giants go big and dumb. smh
Even if true, teams offering AJ $9M, DG - here, I'll give you $13M!