Mara knows already - no airplane required

it's broken and there is no easy or short term solution here. The first step (firing DGP) is so obvious and needed yet he refuses to do it. Something about not liking to do it midseason. Why the heck not? Don't you want your new GM to evaluate this roster and get his draft board ASAP??? Aside from hurt feelings and maybe getting criticized in the media, what is so bad about firing DG?

this weekend? I didn't see him there, and if he wasn't on the field, it was because he knew what the reaction would be. I guess that's a good sign.

you're bringing this up a month after the fact? Vas es Los?

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this weekend? I didn't see him there, and if he wasn't on the field, it was because he knew what the reaction would be. I guess that's a good sign.

Was about to ask the same question

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you're bringing this up a month after the fact? Vas es Los?

I mention it now because of all the airplane threads I have been seeing. I was too young for what happened in the 70s. Not sure if a tone deaf owner was able to isolate from the fanbase. But in Mara's case he wasn't. Unless you were at the stadium that day it might not have been obvious all the booing.So just save your airplane rental money

days was the Maras did nothing. It was the league under Pete Rozelle who stepped in. That ain't happening again.

John Mara and Steve Tisch need to admit that they're failing as owners and step away from the football operation — and tell everyone else in the family that they need to find other employment, because they are not going to make the next GM/Team President/whatever fire the owner's family. Clear the decks of cronies and family. If they want to take care of those guys because "once a Giant, always a Giant," great — but get them out of their jobs. If the new guys want to hire them back, that's great too.

You can't really get rid of everyone at once, but everyone from the hot dog vendors to the head coach should be told they'll be evaluated and that no one's job is guaranteed after this season.

But are people really this naive to think it does not bother ownership? The Mara's and Tisch's have spent how much money over the last 10 years on free agents? They give the front office, coaching staff and players everything they need to be successful. By all reports, if they request it, they get it. Was the Gettleman pick a bad one? Yes. Do I think it will be fixed after this season? Yes. Were they wrong for being loyal to Reese after he was a major part of 2 super bowl championships? No; I think we all would expect loyalty if we took our organization to the pinnacle. They have fired 3 head coaches and their staffs over the last 5 years. In the 11 years MetLife has been open, they have raised ticket prices once. And looking around the league, who are the better owners? And why? What have they done differently than what the Mara's and Tisch's have done? The Giants are my favorite team in all of sports and it's a pretty big gap to #2. So I hate where this team is right now more than anything. However, I have never once sat here thinking that ownership is not doing everything in their power to improve things. Or have I ever felt like they just care about making money over winning. I wish the results were different, but ask the fans of just about every other team how they feel about their owners. Very few would have a positive opinion. At some point, the people the owners hire to build the team, coach the team and play the game need to do their jobs better. There is not much more an owner can do.

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But are people really this naive to think it does not bother ownership?

I'm sure it bothers them, I certainly hope it does, but the question is, does it bother them enough to make wholesale changes?

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days was the Maras did nothing. It was the league under Pete Rozelle who stepped in. That ain't happening again.

Crap! This is a really good point that I hadn't previously thought of. Way to ruin my day!

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But are people really this naive to think it does not bother ownership? The Mara's and Tisch's have spent how much money over the last 10 years on free agents?

I would suggest trying to re-orient your viewpoint here a bit. The Maras are not spending their own family fortune to pay Adoree Jackson more money. That money actually comes from us, the fans, via television, stadium and league profit sharing revenue. If anything, the owners are our fiduciaries - they should be spending the money we give them in an efficient, productive way.

Right now they're spending it like clueless, drunken sailors during Fleet Week.

So, what "more" can an owner do? Give up control of the team in favor of someone who is actually good at running one. You can still "own" it, but you don't have to run it. That's the problem.

showing up - no John Mara on the field near me. By the way is he done with his pep talk yet?

I haven't heard one person in the media question why the owner's brother Chris Mara is the vice president of player personnel. This obviously a very bad look but no one in the media ever mentions it. The Maras need to get out of the football end of the operation. Everyone knows that and gets that but them.

Note they actually planted a press story about Anthony Thomas after a preseason game (let that sink in). And Mara didn’t go on the field for Sunday’s retrospective.

I say good.

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In comment 15421608 Bernie said: Quote: But are people really this naive to think it does not bother ownership? The Mara's and Tisch's have spent how much money over the last 10 years on free agents? I would suggest trying to re-orient your viewpoint here a bit. The Maras are not spending their own family fortune to pay Adoree Jackson more money. That money actually comes from us, the fans, via television, stadium and league profit sharing revenue. If anything, the owners are our fiduciaries - they should be spending the money we give them in an efficient, productive way. Right now they're spending it like clueless, drunken sailors during Fleet Week. So, what "more" can an owner do? Give up control of the team in favor of someone who is actually good at running one. You can still "own" it, but you don't have to run it. That's the problem.

This is where I think people are misguided. The Mara's and Tisch's don't run the football operations. That is DG. Yes they "approve" the moves and spending, but it's DG that makes the decisions. So I would agree that the mistake they have made and need to fix revolves around DG.

As for your comment on them being fiduciaries, the NFL is not a socialist endeavor. Anything above the minimum spending on the salary cap required per the CBA is in fact cash out of their pockets; their family wealth and fortune and really they owe us nothing. Our power is to not give them our money (and family wealth and fortune). Many may not like this reality, but that is the beauty of capitalism. If you don't like the product, don't buy it. However, like it or not, they control an extremely rare and valuable commodity and nobody is forcing us to consume their product. Unfortunately for me (and most others on this board), I am "addicted" to their product and for sure, right now we are not getting anywhere close to our money's worth.

live in fantasy land.
The team’s lack of success (and the fan reaction as a result), bothers the crap out of Mara and Tisch. Don’t think for a second it doesn’t. But like every other poor CEO of a major corporation, they lack the ability to look in the mirror and recognize THEY are the problem. Chris Mara , John’s younger brother, has been head of Player Personnel for a decade. This department had been abysmal, but do you see Chris stepping away? No because he’s an OWNER.
John never worked a day in his life. He doesn’t know how to interview or make any meaningful decisions. He’s a reactionary driven by optics. Firing a second GM within 5 years, a third coach within 5 years. He wants the Giants to appear stable and rock solid.
Yeah, he could fire these guys, but the real problems are with ownership and top management structure.
For example: DG identifies Justin Herbert as the QB he wanted to be Eli’s successor. He was spot on. When Herbert went back to school, he went to plan B for a QB, I suspect due to ownership’s interference. We for Jones as a result. So, where does the fault lie, with the GM or ownership. Chew on that for awhile.

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showing up - no John Mara on the field near me. By the way is he done with his pep talk yet?

This doesn't get enough talk that Coughlin all but flipped Mara off that day. Let that sink in for a second.

Can throw chairs, kick garbage cans and assault office furniture until the cow comes home but until he stops hiring people based on personal connections, familiarity and other biases, this once proud organization will continue to be a perennial loser.

I agree with you. Mara is too involved. I cringed when he was making statements last offseason about giving Jones weapons to find out what they have with him.

Gettleman is incompetent, but he is also being put in an unenviable position of publicly being told what to do by his boss. Suddenly he needs to overpay Galloday and maybe tweak the draft grading because of what Mara said and goodness knows what else.

Mara’s foolishness is part and parcel of this mess. He needs to get a hobby and stop saying anything except that he supports the team and his employees.

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live in fantasy land. The team’s lack of success (and the fan reaction as a result), bothers the crap out of Mara and Tisch. Don’t think for a second it doesn’t. But like every other poor CEO of a major corporation, they lack the ability to look in the mirror and recognize THEY are the problem. Chris Mara , John’s younger brother, has been head of Player Personnel for a decade. This department had been abysmal, but do you see Chris stepping away? No because he’s an OWNER. John never worked a day in his life. He doesn’t know how to interview or make any meaningful decisions. He’s a reactionary driven by optics. Firing a second GM within 5 years, a third coach within 5 years. He wants the Giants to appear stable and rock solid. Yeah, he could fire these guys, but the real problems are with ownership and top management structure. For example: DG identifies Justin Herbert as the QB he wanted to be Eli’s successor. He was spot on. When Herbert went back to school, he went to plan B for a QB, I suspect due to ownership’s interference. We for Jones as a result. So, where does the fault lie, with the GM or ownership. Chew on that for awhile.

Where is this coming from? You know for a FACT that John Mara demanded that Gettleman immediately draft Daniel Jones as Eli's successor? Was it not Gettleman who uttered the words "full blown love" or something close to it when describing DJ? Unless you can deliver rock solid proof, this take is down right comical. Gettleman sucks and Mara/Tisch own that decision. Everything else is just pure speculation.

Unless you know John Mara personally how can you know his thinking. I don’t put much credibility into the posters who are constantly hammering there opinions on this board everyday. One I read today from a regular poster stating that we need to lose every game so that we blow up the team because it will be interesting discussion. Fits his agenda.

Unless you know John Mara personally how can you know his thinking. I don’t put much credibility into the posters who are constantly hammering there opinions on this board everyday. One I read today from a regular poster stating that we need to lose every game so that we blow up the team because it will be interesting discussion. Fits his agenda.