Coming off a disastrous performance in week 6 where Daniel Jones got a PFF rating of (35.1) for the game,
here are Jones' latest rankings among starting QBs in the NFL (from pro-football-reference.com):
Y/A: 18th
QBR: 22nd
QB Rating 26th
TD% 32nd
sack% 13th
Please note that in terms of sack % Jones is actually just above league average. This number makes one wonder 'is Jones facing inordinate pressure this season'? Glad you asked.
NY Giants Pressure % which is times pressured per dropback is 21.6% - which is 9th best in the NFL just behind the Buffalo Bills. So it looks like a myth that Jones faces more pressure than most starting QBs.
Finally, and maybe most shocking:
Red Zone Passing
Cmp% Inside 20: 27%
Cmp% Inside 10: 14%
Both numbers are the worst among starting QBs in the NFL.
Many other parts of the team suck. But most fans agree on that. The one where many disagree is on Jones, who many posters here continue to hold out as one of the bright spots on the team.
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or take a look at the other areas of the team. Just read some of the beat reporters articles or listen to one of the podcasts. You could even try watching one of the games....
Many other parts of the team suck. But most fans agree on that. The one where many disagree is on Jones, who many posters here continue to hold out as one of the bright spots on the team.
exactly. I watch all the games and have eyes on at least a little of every game played in the NFL. I know what I'm watching. Can't say the same for some who are in denial. Of course, Jones doesn't get enough help. But that doesn't mean Jones isn't bad, he is. The two are not mutually exclusive.
So posting the objective stats of the QB is some sin around here? Sorry objective stats upset you so much.
And what is your point that the Giants should have drafted Lamar jackson? While lamar is a very dynamic athlete to watch -- it is far more interesting when he is on another team. And far more interesting to watch him lose to the Bills.
And what is your point that the Giants should have drafted Lamar jackson? While lamar is a very dynamic athlete to watch -- it is far more interesting when he is on another team. And far more interesting to watch him lose to the Bills.
I'm not mixing and matching anything. these are season-long numbers.
However, as others have said, Jones is a microcosm of the larger organizational issues, which have been discussed ad nauseam. Namely, unwilling to deviate from their comfort zone, no matter how self-destructive the mindset.
If the Giants have a chance to draft an elite talent at the qb position over the next couple of drafts, there should be no question.
The title of the next thread?
“Jones is playing better than the numbers suggest”
“Extend Jones now while value is low?”
“Building blocks for 2022 - Jones, Thomas, Toney”
This thread is here because some fans still post about how Mahomes and Rodgers would be just as bad on this team, so Jones is actually playing pretty well.
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how many ways can one person say the same thing? It’s a BBI staple. Any guesses on the title of the next thread?
So posting the objective stats of the QB is some sin around here? Sorry objective stats upset you so much.
They don't, at all. In fact I support moving on from Jones, and have for a while. I'm merely commenting on your frequency to repeat the same thing over and over like its news, or a new idea.
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how many ways can one person say the same thing? It’s a BBI staple. Any guesses on the title of the next thread?
The title of the next thread?
“Jones is playing better than the numbers suggest”
“Extend Jones now while value is low?”
“Building blocks for 2022 - Jones, Thomas, Toney”
This thread is here because some fans still post about how Mahomes and Rodgers would be just as bad on this team, so Jones is actually playing pretty well.
I can count on one hand the number of threads and posts that seriously suggest we should be extending Jones right now.
I thought the pass blocking against ATL was fine. I don't know how people thought Jones was 'good' that game.
The TD production is so abysmal.
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In comment 15421329 UConn4523 said:
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how many ways can one person say the same thing? It’s a BBI staple. Any guesses on the title of the next thread?
So posting the objective stats of the QB is some sin around here? Sorry objective stats upset you so much.
They don't, at all. In fact I support moving on from Jones, and have for a while. I'm merely commenting on your frequency to repeat the same thing over and over like its news, or a new idea.
These are the latest rankings. Updated stats are news. I was the first to post Jones' great PFF ranking after his very good performance against New Orleans. That was news then, this is news now.
The debate was over for you in week 4 of 2019
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Jones surprisingly has not faced a lot of pressure all year relative to last year, but he faced heavy pressure on Sunday. You can't mix and match to prove your point. You are using just one game stat for the por performance and a season stat for the pressure.
And what is your point that the Giants should have drafted Lamar jackson? While lamar is a very dynamic athlete to watch -- it is far more interesting when he is on another team. And far more interesting to watch him lose to the Bills.
I'm not mixing and matching anything. these are season-long numbers.
Is this a season long number:
Coming off a disastrous performance in week 6 where Daniel Jones got a PFF rating of (35.1) for the game
Also it is just stats while interesting to observe just don't tell the whole story.
Look at Geno Smith last start on Sunday. And looks at his last start before that when he played for the Giants. Do you really mean to tell me he just magically got better in the last 4 years or he has a good game by coincidence?
he had 200 yards 1 TD a near 100 rate.
It is hard for me to believe that QB stats aren't at least a partial reflection of the teams they play on.
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In comment 15421329 UConn4523 said:
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how many ways can one person say the same thing? It’s a BBI staple. Any guesses on the title of the next thread?
The title of the next thread?
“Jones is playing better than the numbers suggest”
“Extend Jones now while value is low?”
“Building blocks for 2022 - Jones, Thomas, Toney”
This thread is here because some fans still post about how Mahomes and Rodgers would be just as bad on this team, so Jones is actually playing pretty well.
I can count on one hand the number of threads and posts that seriously suggest we should be extending Jones right now.
You would not be surprised to see the other two though, would you?
There are several people who think Jones is playing solidly this year.
I agree with you 100%. Unless the Giants have a great QB fall into their laps in week 7 or there is some amazing deal to be had for Jones, Daniel Jones plays out the season.
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or take a look at the other areas of the team. Just read some of the beat reporters articles or listen to one of the podcasts. You could even try watching one of the games....
Many other parts of the team suck. But most fans agree on that. The one where many disagree is on Jones, who many posters here continue to hold out as one of the bright spots on the team.
He shows a lot more to hope on than many other parts of the team, that's why some of us do
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The debate was over for you in week 4 of 2019
Well he wasn't wrong.
Well now that you say it's over, it's over.
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In comment 15421338 Debaser said:
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Jones surprisingly has not faced a lot of pressure all year relative to last year, but he faced heavy pressure on Sunday. You can't mix and match to prove your point. You are using just one game stat for the por performance and a season stat for the pressure.
And what is your point that the Giants should have drafted Lamar jackson? While lamar is a very dynamic athlete to watch -- it is far more interesting when he is on another team. And far more interesting to watch him lose to the Bills.
I'm not mixing and matching anything. these are season-long numbers.
Is this a season long number:
Coming off a disastrous performance in week 6 where Daniel Jones got a PFF rating of (35.1) for the game
Also it is just stats while interesting to observe just don't tell the whole story.
Look at Geno Smith last start on Sunday. And looks at his last start before that when he played for the Giants. Do you really mean to tell me he just magically got better in the last 4 years or he has a good game by coincidence?
he had 200 yards 1 TD a near 100 rate.
It is hard for me to believe that QB stats aren't at least a partial reflection of the teams they play on.
I just said he had a bad game and then presented season long ranks and percentages. Of course, the team is not helping Jones. Especially last week. I don't think those of us who are concerned about Jones' production would deny that. But both things can be true. The Giants are playing poorly as a team. And Jones' play is also subpar.
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In comment 15421345 Go Terps said:
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The debate was over for you in week 4 of 2019
Well he wasn't wrong.
What are the powerball numbers tomorrow night since you know everything for sure
Than you take all your would be BBI posts,and convert them into Joe Judge questions.
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or take a look at the other areas of the team. Just read some of the beat reporters articles or listen to one of the podcasts. You could even try watching one of the games....
Many other parts of the team suck. But most fans agree on that. The one where many disagree is on Jones, who many posters here continue to hold out as one of the bright spots on the team.
He shows a lot more to hope on than many other parts of the team, that's why some of us do
Sadly, this might be true. But we need to compare Jones to others at his position, and not to the rest of the dreck on the Giants.
The reality is this is the NFL (FA/Cap/depth issues) not college. I believe Jones can have success with a very good team around him. That is great if the team was mostly assembled and he was playing early in his first contract.
We are now passed that point imv. He only gets more expensive and it will be even harder on a second contract. I don't think he has shown enough to even consider that but he has the rest of the year. I do believe the Giants have not supported him as the should of.
Than you take all your would be BBI posts,and convert them into Joe Judge questions.
You're on.
Sure, there aren't many suggesting they bench DJ for Glennon, but IF the plan is to play a lot of the young guys, you know what we'll hear. "They played all young guys, DJ never had a chance!"
The reality is this is the NFL (FA/Cap/depth issues) not college. I believe Jones can have success with a very good team around him. That is great if the team was mostly assembled and he was playing early in his first contract.
We are now passed that point imv. He only gets more expensive and it will be even harder on a second contract. I don't think he has shown enough to even consider that but he has the rest of the year. I do believe the Giants have not supported him as the should of.
I understand your point and agree to a degree. I think it's hard to support a QB like Jones and win. Mayfield, who is better than Jones, has one of the best supporting casts in the league and the Browns are 3-3.
Beyond creepy.
Beyond creepy.
It's creepy to post the stats of the NY Giants QB on a NY Giants message board? If that's your view, you have no credibility.
Because it is frustrating to talk about the team and ways to improve it when discussions get derailed by the same “Jones isn’t the problem” perspectives or “If you hate Jones go root for another team” lines.
I came into this season saying we needed to see improvement from him. We haven’t outside of the New Orleans game. but many posters are arguing he should have led us to wins over Atlanta and Washington and it was other parts of the team that lead to the losses.
On this site we can almost universally agree Engram is a bust and we would like to see him gone. But when you say it about Jones, you are suddenly some anti-Giants, miserable human.
So yeah, there is some level of “maybe now you can see it?” In my posts
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absolutely beyond creepy at this point. I would recommend to Daniel that he hire a top level security team just in case this guy looks to strike some time soon.
Beyond creepy.
It's creepy to post the stats of the NY Giants QB on a NY Giants message board? If that's your view, you have no credibility.
Not at all. It's creepy that about %99.99999 of your posts on here are about one player. Nice try, though, creep-o.
I think Mayfield is a capable starter but I do not think he is someone to win a championship with and ultimately I see the Browns moving on. You sense they have concerns as they seem to be afraid to have him throwing downfield imo.
Both were not just the only problems all along.
Just not solutions...
9 wins
23 losses
39 TDs
41 turnovers including lost fumbles
62 % completion percentage
These are just facts
Now this doesn’t include rushing which can be great at times, and horrifying at times. He’s already been injured twice running the ball and embarrassed the shit out himself once.
Bottom line is, look at this body of work and decide yourself if this is the guy you want to move forward with.
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but frequency? Not much at all, if any. Personally I don't know how you guys enjoy talking about the same things over and over and reporting things as "new" when really its just the same old story. Even when things are going good there's really only so much you can say about a certain topic.
Because it is frustrating to talk about the team and ways to improve it when discussions get derailed by the same “Jones isn’t the problem” perspectives or “If you hate Jones go root for another team” lines.
I came into this season saying we needed to see improvement from him. We haven’t outside of the New Orleans game. but many posters are arguing he should have led us to wins over Atlanta and Washington and it was other parts of the team that lead to the losses.
On this site we can almost universally agree Engram is a bust and we would like to see him gone. But when you say it about Jones, you are suddenly some anti-Giants, miserable human.
So yeah, there is some level of “maybe now you can see it?” In my posts
It's also frustrating to talk about the team and have every discussion derailed by Jones sucks and his poor play causes the defense to play bad. There is a guy in this site who goes on every post about the D and try's to bring Jones into it. Some of us think that Jones has played well in more than just the NO game and has showed improvement but damn f I didn't know the haters would be out in force after Sunday, most of them gleeful. I have a buddy who blames the 2nd fumble on Jones saying he should have know Peart would let the guy run around him.
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The debate was over for you in week 4 of 2019
Week 17 2019 loss to Philly is when I first started asking the question. That went over like a fart in church. Everyone was just so excited about those 5 TD passes in Washington the week before...
9 wins
23 losses
39 TDs
41 turnovers including lost fumbles
62 % completion percentage
These are just facts
Now this doesn’t include rushing which can be great at times, and horrifying at times. He’s already been injured twice running the ball and embarrassed the shit out himself once.
Bottom line is, look at this body of work and decide yourself if this is the guy you want to move forward with.
<sarcasm>Good thing it's a 1 man team. Same thing with Eli. That dude just sucked the last 8 years of his career and kept those extremely talented teams down!</sarcasm>
You've got to be F'in kidding me...
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First 32 games of his career
9 wins
23 losses
39 TDs
41 turnovers including lost fumbles
62 % completion percentage
These are just facts
Now this doesn’t include rushing which can be great at times, and horrifying at times. He’s already been injured twice running the ball and embarrassed the shit out himself once.
Bottom line is, look at this body of work and decide yourself if this is the guy you want to move forward with.
<sarcasm>Good thing it's a 1 man team. Same thing with Eli. That dude just sucked the last 8 years of his career and kept those extremely talented teams down!</sarcasm>
You've got to be F'in kidding me...
You want to compare that to the first 32 games of Eli’s career, be my guest.
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First 32 games of his career
9 wins
23 losses
39 TDs
41 turnovers including lost fumbles
62 % completion percentage
These are just facts
Now this doesn’t include rushing which can be great at times, and horrifying at times. He’s already been injured twice running the ball and embarrassed the shit out himself once.
Bottom line is, look at this body of work and decide yourself if this is the guy you want to move forward with.
<sarcasm>Good thing it's a 1 man team. Same thing with Eli. That dude just sucked the last 8 years of his career and kept those extremely talented teams down!</sarcasm>
You've got to be F'in kidding me...
You want to compare that to the first 32 games of Eli’s career, be my guest.
Again....Look at the team Eli was playing on those first 32 games! THEY WERE INFINITELY MORE TALENTED AND UNDER TOM COUGHLIN. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Sorry to make it tough for you!
But again, how many times can I repeat that? At what point is it just noise leading to a pissing match? Its annoying, and these threads don't provoke much thought which is why participation is typically low, or in a mocking manner. They are essentially 4-5 people agreeing with each other and fighting anyone that take the bait. This is BBI in a nutshell unless its an NFT.
I didn't hear you discussing Justin Herbert yesterday. Maybe that's because he had a terrible game, which young QBs tend to do.