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Injuries Need To Be Overcome

Keaton028 : 10/19/2021 4:41 pm

I wanted to see how the Giants injuries stacked up against other teams in the league, and what I found was interesting. According to Sportrac, the three teams with the most players on IR are the Ravens, Titans and Cowboys. Please let me know if I’m reading this wrong. If that’s the case, it’s hard to place a lot of credibility into the injury excuse. Injuries happen every year, to every team. Good teams find a way to overcome them based on how the roster is built, and with good coaches.

I also get context matters. I’m fully admitting I’m not sure of the caliber of the players injured on the other teams. Just looking at the numbers here.

Again, please let me know if I’m seeing the numbers wrong, or if Sportrac isn’t reputable. But if these numbers are correct... then wow. The Ravens especially were decimated before the season really began, yet sit 5-1. Good leadership goes a long way.

Anyway, just found this interesting and thought I’d share.
Number of Players IR per Team - ( New Window )

yes

djm : 10/19/2021 4:42 pm : link

but no one is overcoming this. Which is fine, because this team is shot to shit anyway.

Those are three top 10 teams

JonC : 10/19/2021 4:44 pm : link

they have the talent and schemes in place to overcome injuries, to an extent.

Giants' margin for error is very slim.

I also just

Keaton028 : 10/19/2021 4:45 pm : link

wanted to add that the amount of injuries in today’s game have really made football a lot less fun to watch. Especially as Giants fans.

The three most injured teams are:

BH28 : 10/19/2021 4:45 pm : link

4-2, 5-1, and 5-1.

RE: Those are three top 10 teams

Johnny5 : 10/19/2021 4:47 pm : link

In comment 15421828 JonC said:

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they have the talent and schemes in place to overcome injuries, to an extent.

Giants' margin for error is very slim.

Agreed Jon, 100%.

Good leadership and reliable depth.

Section331 : 10/19/2021 4:47 pm : link

We've relied on cheap vet backups for the OL for years and it hasn't worked out once.

Its often not the total injuries that matters

Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/19/2021 4:51 pm : link

but whether they occur all in the same position group. And whether they are your starters or special team players.

Not with crappy players

jeff57 : 10/19/2021 4:52 pm : link

RE: Its often not the total injuries that matters

Keaton028 : 10/19/2021 4:53 pm : link

In comment 15421857 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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but whether they occur all in the same position group. And whether they are your starters or special team players.

Right. And as I said in my OP, I fully admit that I don’t know the caliber of players injured on the other squads.

Citing good teams

UConn4523 : 10/19/2021 4:54 pm : link

doesn’t really tell us anything we don’t know. It’s part of what makes them good. How are the Giants going to get to even average dipping into OL8/9/10/11 on the season?

RE: Not with crappy players

Keaton028 : 10/19/2021 4:54 pm : link

In comment 15421863 jeff57 said:

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You’re right. My OP was kind of an indictment against the leadership of the Giants, and the excuse that injuries should buy management another season.

RE: Citing good teams

Keaton028 : 10/19/2021 4:57 pm : link

In comment 15421869 UConn4523 said:

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doesn’t really tell us anything we don’t know. It’s part of what makes them good. How are the Giants going to get to even average dipping into OL8/9/10/11 on the season?

True. I guess I was just surprised by the results and wanted to share. The quality of a team’s infrastructure can go a long way in overcoming uncontrollable factors like injuries.

We don’t have that.

The Cowboy list (for yucks)

Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/19/2021 5:05 pm : link

Neville Gallimore DT Injured Reserve.
Francis Bernard LB Injured Reserve.
Sean McKeon TE Injured Reserve.
Michael Gallup WR Injured Reserve.
Josh Ball OT Injured Reserve.
Kelvin Joseph CB Injured Reserve.
DeMarcus Lawrence DE Injured Reserve.
T.J. Vasher WR NFI-R
Trysten Hill DT Physically Unable to Perform.
Rico Dowdle RB Injured Reserve
Mitch Hyatt OT Injured Reserve
Reggie Robinson II CB Injured Reserve
Sewo Olonilua RB Injured reserve

Only two that I would think play regularly? Don't crucify me if I am wrong... and I am not saying that the Giants have been good on the team-building side.

Somewhat on topic...

bw in dc : 10/19/2021 5:06 pm : link

but these injuries to the Ravens are why LJax should be a leading MVP candidate.

They've lost their top 3 RBs, one of the best LTs in the game (since week 1), starting G Ben Cleveland, their highly valued first round pick (WR Rashod Batemon, was was getting excellent reviews in camp), and their other very good TE Nick Boyle.

It's just remarkable that they are a one loss team.

It is who gets injured and as mentioned position groups

Lines of Scrimmage : 10/19/2021 5:09 pm : link

Last year Dallas lost Dak, Smith and Martin and they stunk. This year they are healthy and they are winning. If they lost those three they will stink again.

I think offensively the Giants have to be amongst the very hardest hit.

RE: Those are three top 10 teams

UberAlias : 10/19/2021 5:35 pm : link

In comment 15421828 JonC said:

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they have the talent and schemes in place to overcome injuries, to an extent.

Giants' margin for error is very slim.

This is spot on. There wasn’t talent to spare to begin with.

Injuries matter way more

jvm52106 : 10/19/2021 5:35 pm : link

when those injured aren't exactly Pro Bowl players and they sre our starters. That means are backups are borderline guys or just plain garbage. On the Oline we are already 3 deep at LG , a position we didn't even know if we were 1 deep to start the season.

RE: Somewhat on topic...

Jim in Tampa : 10/19/2021 5:36 pm : link

In comment 15421901 bw in dc said:

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I watched the highlights of the Raves game vs the Chargers. I'm pretty sure that Batemon played and had a catch.

Jim...

bw in dc : 10/19/2021 5:42 pm : link

I stand corrected. You are right. RB played and had four catches in his debut as a pro.

I'm interested to see

darren in pdx : 10/19/2021 5:45 pm : link

how these teams do later in the year. Losing quality players and depth to keep a healthy rotation has to start to wear out the team near the end of the season. At least I feel like that happened to the Giants in '08 losing Osi in the preseason.

RE: RE: Those are three top 10 teams

joeinpa : 10/19/2021 6:45 pm : link

In comment 15421838 Johnny5 said:

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they have the talent and schemes in place to overcome injuries, to an extent.

Giants' margin for error is very slim.

Agreed Jon, 100%.

It shouldn’t be that thin. It is on the GM to develop a roster that can still compete with injuries

RE: RE: RE: Those are three top 10 teams

Johnny5 : 10/19/2021 7:30 pm : link

In comment 15422042 joeinpa said:

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they have the talent and schemes in place to overcome injuries, to an extent.

Giants' margin for error is very slim.

Agreed Jon, 100%.

It shouldn’t be that thin. It is on the GM to develop a roster that can still compete with injuries

Well, yeah.

IR is not the only barometer

NorthCountryGiantsFan : 10/19/2021 7:51 pm : link

2nd half of Dallas, Hernandez was the only starter from Game 1 still playing/in position. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

RE: Citing good teams

GMen72 : 10/20/2021 1:36 am : link

In comment 15421869 UConn4523 said:

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doesn’t really tell us anything we don’t know. It’s part of what makes them good. How are the Giants going to get to even average dipping into OL8/9/10/11 on the season?

They're not...but they weren't going to be average with zero OLine injuries.