you fail around and blame the FO -- but the injury situation makes this a total cluster fuck
How have we become so freaking snakebit? I remember during the Super Bowl seasons (2007 and 2011) we had relatively few season-ending injuries to the starters (2007: Kiwanuka, Ward, and Shockey's legs) plus other injuries people played through (Eli's shoulder, Plaxico's bum ankle and knees, Jacobs's knee and hamstring). Then in 2011, Hixon went down early, Hedgecock suffered a career-ending neck injury, Eli played with plantar fasciitis in the playoffs, Tuck dealt with torso injuries. We still won the Super Bowl both times despite our players not at 100%.
How do we have so much bad luck with our starters dropping like flies this year (I know it's happened other years but it seems like there's so many more)? Gates, Lemieux, Martinez, multiple other players who have missed time due to ankle and knee injuries like Barkley, Shepard, Slayton, Thomas, Toney.
will create a very convenient out for Mara if he decides to hold steady and make no changes.
The script is slowly being written...
It's definitely possible..I can see him justifying keeping Judge though because of it but requiring that he replaces Garret 'to fix the offense,' a la Coughlin and Hufnagel. If there's a new GM, they should have full authority to make decisions on whether or not they want to scrap the coaching staff and roster, as well as the rest of the front office to their liking.
Judge isn't looking like he's part of the long-term solution so far, but I can see him getting another chance a few years down the road if it's pushed out.
In the NFL, you're either the hammer, or the nail. Good teams have the depth to compensate when the injury bug hits. Bad teams don't have depth, and the results are losses.
I think he has a good chance to be a very good player
at one of the 3 most important positions on an NFL team. He should be treated as an extremely valuable long term asset and the Mara bros should feel free to insist he not get back on the field until he is 100% healthy even if that means next year. If needs any kind of surgery once the season ends do it now so he can train for next year.
Toney should be handled the same way. But no one else on this roster. Use up what's left of the Barkley and Jones contracts they are not part of the long term solution.
Solder is able to avoid injury but Thomas has suffered three separate injuries this season that we know of. The only positive development is that it forces Judge to start Peart who should have been starting over Solder anyway.
will create a very convenient out for Mara if he decides to hold steady and make no changes.
The script is slowly being written...
No. I think Mara knows he has no choice. Fans are out for blood.
This isn't some flukey year like nothing that has ever happened before. This year is like most of the last 10. Injuries may explain 2021, sort of, but nobody can look at this season in isolation. It's part of a well-established pattern of crappy football.
the Devil? His ten years is up! Maybe he needs to renew the contract...we knew Thonas wasn't 100%. Hopefully this gets him right so he can finish the season.
Dave will be gone. I think Mara will want to give Judge another year. Bringing in a outside GM is challenging because it involves his brother and nephew as well. I think he is hoping the team shows some life where if he brings someone from the outside they will have some connection already to the Giants. This way he can keep sticking his input in.
If it’s absolute disaster then maybe dramatic changes because the media is going full assault at him imo.
John has already said he is confident that he is the right guy to lead the team going forward for “many”’years to come. John, of course, is on a Disney rise in “Fantasy Land”. He’s clueless, and takes no responsibility for being an inept putz as a CEO.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
John has already said he is confident that he is the right guy to lead the team going forward for “many”’years to come. John, of course, is on a Disney rise in “Fantasy Land”. He’s clueless, and takes no responsibility for being an inept putz as a CEO.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
It's entirely possible that he'll stick with DG.
It's also entirely possible that he'll find himself with three remaining fans if he does so: Gettledogman, TheBlueprintNC, and DannyDimes.
John has already said he is confident that he is the right guy to lead the team going forward for “many”’years to come. John, of course, is on a Disney rise in “Fantasy Land”. He’s clueless, and takes no responsibility for being an inept putz as a CEO.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
It's entirely possible that he'll stick with DG.
It's also entirely possible that he'll find himself with three remaining fans if he does so: Gettledogman, TheBlueprintNC, and DannyDimes.
That was good.
Although, I think you may have missed a few names...
Players actually get hurt AND others start claiming injury to get out of the disaster.
I'd say "oh well, we'll get'em next year", but I think it's more like "next decade" at this point.
I see this commentary all the time. Do you have any examples of players faking injuries or at the very least not being legitimately injured? This is a fan creation, not “SOP”. Unless you think Thomas is not all that injured? Or Toney? Or Golladay? Or Barkley? Or Gates? Or Slayton?
you fail around and blame the FO -- but the injury situation makes this a total cluster fuck
I agree with you Gidie. It’s almost impossible to evaluate the offense especially because of the injuries. On defense, they lost Martinez. But that side of the ball has been a huge disappointment. I could see that leading to some big changes unless they start to play better defense very soon.
Players actually get hurt AND others start claiming injury to get out of the disaster.
I'd say "oh well, we'll get'em next year", but I think it's more like "next decade" at this point.
I see this commentary all the time. Do you have any examples of players faking injuries or at the very least not being legitimately injured? This is a fan creation, not “SOP”. Unless you think Thomas is not all that injured? Or Toney? Or Golladay? Or Barkley? Or Gates? Or Slayton?
I’m not accusing any of the listed players of faking anything. I even said players actually get hurt and they also make excuses. Eric even had a post about this last year or the year before. I guarantee I can find some old articles about star players that used “nagging” injuries to quit on a season. I’m not gonna go digging them up. But I’d bet they are fairly easy to search out.
John has already said he is confident that he is the right guy to lead the team going forward for “many”’years to come. John, of course, is on a Disney rise in “Fantasy Land”. He’s clueless, and takes no responsibility for being an inept putz as a CEO.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
If ownership sticks with DG, I think it’s an indication that all of the off-season moves and draft picks that were made were really John/Chris’s decisions.
RE: He was clearly nursing an injury in the preseason
we all saw it vs NE. The most important thing is making sure he’s 100% healthy for next year.
At this rate, why is there any reason to be believe he will be 100% at any point? He nursed injuries most of last year and now seems to have had at least 1 foot and ankle hurt for most, if not all, of the season. SO, maybe at his size, his body will always be injured.
Well, there it is. That's the Gettleman and Judge saver.
The next stretch of 3 games and extending possibly to the last 1-2 games =, will be pointed to for injuries and a pass is given.
A good point was made by Ed Valentine on Pat Trina's podcast yesterday. He can see keeping both Dave and Judge one more year, to AVOID another shotgun wedding. Run it back together and if we fail then Mara would blow it all up. Reason being their great hesitance on yet again canning a coach after only two years.
RE: RE: Well, there it is. That's the Gettleman and Judge saver.
The next stretch of 3 games and extending possibly to the last 1-2 games =, will be pointed to for injuries and a pass is given.
A good point was made by Ed Valentine on Pat Trina's podcast yesterday. He can see keeping both Dave and Judge one more year, to AVOID another shotgun wedding. Run it back together and if we fail then Mara would blow it all up. Reason being their great hesitance on yet again canning a coach after only two years.
I really don't know what Judge has done to earn a pass for this season. You can make the argument for last year because of how well his staff functioned and how they were able to play despite adversity. This year none of that is happening. His coaches are failing, his in-game management is rocky, and they're falling apart on the field.
on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
RE: RE: Putting Thomas on IR is a clear sign they have given up
on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
I definitely realize that
Well Knick fans like me have something to get excited for
on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
I definitely realize that
Well then how have they given up on a season by opening up a roster spot for a player that won't be 100% for a few weeks?
How have we become so freaking snakebit? I remember during the Super Bowl seasons (2007 and 2011) we had relatively few season-ending injuries to the starters (2007: Kiwanuka, Ward, and Shockey's legs) plus other injuries people played through (Eli's shoulder, Plaxico's bum ankle and knees, Jacobs's knee and hamstring). Then in 2011, Hixon went down early, Hedgecock suffered a career-ending neck injury, Eli played with plantar fasciitis in the playoffs, Tuck dealt with torso injuries. We still won the Super Bowl both times despite our players not at 100%.
How do we have so much bad luck with our starters dropping like flies this year (I know it's happened other years but it seems like there's so many more)? Gates, Lemieux, Martinez, multiple other players who have missed time due to ankle and knee injuries like Barkley, Shepard, Slayton, Thomas, Toney.
Yep. And the heat just turned to flames.
The script is slowly being written...
It's definitely possible..I can see him justifying keeping Judge though because of it but requiring that he replaces Garret 'to fix the offense,' a la Coughlin and Hufnagel. If there's a new GM, they should have full authority to make decisions on whether or not they want to scrap the coaching staff and roster, as well as the rest of the front office to their liking.
Judge isn't looking like he's part of the long-term solution so far, but I can see him getting another chance a few years down the road if it's pushed out.
Toney should be handled the same way. But no one else on this roster. Use up what's left of the Barkley and Jones contracts they are not part of the long term solution.
So he isn't valuable?
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will create a very convenient out for Mara if he decides to hold steady and make no changes.
The script is slowly being written...
No. I think Mara knows he has no choice. Fans are out for blood.
yeah, but is he going to start Peart at RT, where he belongs, or force him to LT, and then stick him back at RT when AT returns?
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The only positive development is that it forces Judge to start Peart who should have been starting over Solder anyway.
yeah, but is he going to start Peart at RT, where he belongs, or force him to LT, and then stick him back at RT when AT returns?
Admittedly, I'd be apprehensive putting Solder at LT after his showing in Dallas.
If it’s absolute disaster then maybe dramatic changes because the media is going full assault at him imo.
I would put Peart at RT and Solder at LT with Rudolph support
Agreed.
The script is slowly being written...
No way this happens. In fact, if Giants lose badly at home this week, changes might happen Monday
That was the omen right there with the turf
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another week of Peart/Solder is in Daniel Jones's best interest.
We know Solder is not long for this team, so let the auditions begin. Isaiah Wilson, c'mon down!
That combo might be the worst in Giants history.
Tell us you don't remember Ian Allen and Jeff Hatch without telling us you don't remember Ian Allen and Jeff Hatch.
I'd say "oh well, we'll get'em next year", but I think it's more like "next decade" at this point.
Granted, I always mix up the different posters here, but I didn't think you were one for such optimism.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
LOL!
Not as long as the Lions are in the league.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
It's entirely possible that he'll stick with DG.
It's also entirely possible that he'll find himself with three remaining fans if he does so: Gettledogman, TheBlueprintNC, and DannyDimes.
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John has already said he is confident that he is the right guy to lead the team going forward for “many”’years to come. John, of course, is on a Disney rise in “Fantasy Land”. He’s clueless, and takes no responsibility for being an inept putz as a CEO.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
It's entirely possible that he'll stick with DG.
It's also entirely possible that he'll find himself with three remaining fans if he does so: Gettledogman, TheBlueprintNC, and DannyDimes.
That was good.
Although, I think you may have missed a few names...
I'd say "oh well, we'll get'em next year", but I think it's more like "next decade" at this point.
I see this commentary all the time. Do you have any examples of players faking injuries or at the very least not being legitimately injured? This is a fan creation, not “SOP”. Unless you think Thomas is not all that injured? Or Toney? Or Golladay? Or Barkley? Or Gates? Or Slayton?
I agree with you Gidie. It’s almost impossible to evaluate the offense especially because of the injuries. On defense, they lost Martinez. But that side of the ball has been a huge disappointment. I could see that leading to some big changes unless they start to play better defense very soon.
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Players actually get hurt AND others start claiming injury to get out of the disaster.
I'd say "oh well, we'll get'em next year", but I think it's more like "next decade" at this point.
I see this commentary all the time. Do you have any examples of players faking injuries or at the very least not being legitimately injured? This is a fan creation, not “SOP”. Unless you think Thomas is not all that injured? Or Toney? Or Golladay? Or Barkley? Or Gates? Or Slayton?
I’m not accusing any of the listed players of faking anything. I even said players actually get hurt and they also make excuses. Eric even had a post about this last year or the year before. I guarantee I can find some old articles about star players that used “nagging” injuries to quit on a season. I’m not gonna go digging them up. But I’d bet they are fairly easy to search out.
This organization is in the midst of crash and burn status. No direction and no accountability. All energy being devoted to deflection and excuse making.
If ownership sticks with DG, I think it’s an indication that all of the off-season moves and draft picks that were made were really John/Chris’s decisions.
A good point was made by Ed Valentine on Pat Trina's podcast yesterday. He can see keeping both Dave and Judge one more year, to AVOID another shotgun wedding. Run it back together and if we fail then Mara would blow it all up. Reason being their great hesitance on yet again canning a coach after only two years.
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The next stretch of 3 games and extending possibly to the last 1-2 games =, will be pointed to for injuries and a pass is given.
A good point was made by Ed Valentine on Pat Trina's podcast yesterday. He can see keeping both Dave and Judge one more year, to AVOID another shotgun wedding. Run it back together and if we fail then Mara would blow it all up. Reason being their great hesitance on yet again canning a coach after only two years.
I really don't know what Judge has done to earn a pass for this season. You can make the argument for last year because of how well his staff functioned and how they were able to play despite adversity. This year none of that is happening. His coaches are failing, his in-game management is rocky, and they're falling apart on the field.
You've seen enough from him that he doesn't need to play? Not me, he's got a lot more to prove he's legit.
Not happening.
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Heck I would be ok if he sat out the remainder of the season. But the coaches have a different timeline than I do. They have jobs to try and protect.
You've seen enough from him that he doesn't need to play? Not me, he's got a lot more to prove he's legit.
I've seen enough to know that he has talent and is clearly the best tackle on the team. Why risk injuring him in a season that is very clearly over?
Of course why would you want the teams young players to develop further and it will make Jones look worse. just perfect!
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
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on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
I definitely realize that
You don't improve sitting on the sidelines...
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on the season (like the fans). I'm not saying this is the wrong thing to do, I think it is. However if they really thought they were fighting for something, they would keep him active and try every week to get him back in. This is "oh well it doesn't matter anyway, so lets let him get completely healthy".
This post reads a little bit like you don't realize that players on IR can return after 3 weeks now.
I definitely realize that
Well then how have they given up on a season by opening up a roster spot for a player that won't be 100% for a few weeks?