Lorenzo Carter, Oshane Ximines and Azeez Ojulari — three draft picks groomed to be the top three edge rushers — combined to generate one pressure on 100 pass-rushing snaps over the last two games.
In that span, Ximines is one of 105 NFL edge rushers to reach the pocket at least once, while Carter and Ojulari are the two in the league who played the most snaps without recording a pressure, according to Pro Football Focus.
Carter (third round, 2018), Ximines (third round, 2019), Ojulari (second round, 2021) and Elerson Smith — a fourth-round rookie who has yet to play a snap because of injury — are the only four edge rushers among Gettleman’s 32 picks in four drafts. Cam Brown (sixth round, 2020) and Carter Coughlin (seventh round, 2020) converted to inside linebacker.
Quarterbacks are 4-for-4 for 21 yards when targeting those three with passes. And, yes, the Giants still rank fourth-to-last (Lions, Texans and Falcons) in quarterback pressures per game.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/19/edge-rushers-a-giants-weakness-rome-wasnt-built-in-a-day/ 
He's undersizes and has an average first step at best.
Don't let the 3 sacks fool you.
That said, he is head and shoulders above anyone else they have on the roster at EDGE. So let that sink in..
If the Giants put Ximines on waivers today, he'd go unclaimed and end up on another teams practice squad (at best)
Carter will likely sign for pennies somewhere else next offseason.
And Roche was picked up off the Steelers practice squad.
Gettleman’s pillars are “Run the ball. Stop the run. Rush the passer”. But he can’t hold himself to follow through on that last one. What a hypocrite.
Despite what other posters on this board say about
Giants risk a lot by trusting coaches’ scheme to create pass rush - ( New Window )
Gettleman’s pillars are “Run the ball. Stop the run. Rush the passer”. But he can’t hold himself to follow through on that last one. What a hypocrite.
Despite what other posters on this board say about needing a new quarterback, we need to shore up the pass rushers.
Giants risk a lot by trusting coaches’ scheme to create pass rush - ( New Window )
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
Well reason is pretty simple. JPP was a early first round asset, the only first round asset.
let somebody else shop for the groceries.
Our corners and D line would look so much better if we were even getting average pass rush out of these guys
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
This had been the downfall and you can add that it happened on the offensive side as well. The Giants have not been able to identify and draft players in the box (front7/OL) and that is the biggest reason for the decline. Something changed in philosophy/assesment years ago and they have to figure that out before things turn around. The "magical" QB is not going to overcome that.
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
To be fair, while Kiwanuka was not an elite pass rusher, he was yo-yo'ed back and forth between DE and LB his entire career, and he was pretty productive as part of a rotation. One year he had 8 sacks, another he had 4 sacks through 3 games before getting hurt and missing the rest of the season. He doesn't belong on a list of Giants' pass rushing busts. Plus the narrative changes when a player contributes to 2 Super Bowl wins (even though he was injured for SB42).
However, the point remains that we haven't drafted any elite pass rushers aside from JPP. It just bothered me seeing Kiwanuka's name among the other steaming piles of garbage they've drafted.
The more I think about it I was joking but probably right...
With the # 2 and 6 picks he chose a running back which up to this pt has proven why you don’t take that position at #2
At 6 he chose a quarterback that maybe he was the only one who felt that quarterback was worthy of that pick ( I m still in the camp he can be the guy)
But had to argue that picked couldn’t have been handled better.
He could have had, Allen, Jackson or Murray and it s not that much ch of a reach to concoct a scenario where he could have gotten Herbert.
DG, certainly did not maximize that draft capital.
Which is funny because a lot of stuff I was reading up on is that Ojulari was the best natural pass rusher in the draft, with a lot of bend. He just isn’t using it and for some reason is trying to win with power against offensive tackles.
Admittedly the latter is a problem for everyone rushing the passer for the Giants; none of them are using anything other than bull rush to get past the offensive line and it’s working just as well as trying to smash a brick wall with your fist.
Agreed, but Ojulari has played all of 6 games, I'm not ready to throw him on the trash bin yet.
Depends; which are you asking about, inside linebackers or outside linebackers? Each set has different responsibilities.
And unfortunately most people remember Kiwanuka for the non-sack on Vince Young. Interestingly, I'm 99% sure that play would be called "in the grasp" in today's NFL, and subsequently, the Giants would have won that game.
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but it's been a failure to draft edge rushers since Justin Tuck.
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
To be fair, while Kiwanuka was not an elite pass rusher, he was yo-yo'ed back and forth between DE and LB his entire career, and he was pretty productive as part of a rotation. One year he had 8 sacks, another he had 4 sacks through 3 games before getting hurt and missing the rest of the season. He doesn't belong on a list of Giants' pass rushing busts. Plus the narrative changes when a player contributes to 2 Super Bowl wins (even though he was injured for SB42).
However, the point remains that we haven't drafted any elite pass rushers aside from JPP. It just bothered me seeing Kiwanuka's name among the other steaming piles of garbage they've drafted.
It was more of a commentary on who was drafted since Tuck for producing sacks. Any while Kiwi did get yo-yo'd, he didn't live up to his billing as a first round pick IMO through position changes, health, etc. He's the second best rusher we drafted since Tuck. JPP, Kiwi......and then a very large gap.
Technically Ojulari isn't; coming out of college he was stated to have great bend and a good rip move. Haven't seen that since he got on the field.
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but it's been a failure to draft edge rushers since Justin Tuck.
2006 (1): Mathias Kiwanuka
2009 (2): Clint Sintim
2010 (1): JPP (Good!)
2013 (3): Damontre Moore
2015 (3): Owamagabe Odigihizuwa
2018 (3): Lorenzo Carter
2019 (3): Oshane Ximines
2021 (2): Azeez Olujari (TBD)
You have to figure dumb luck would produce better results than that. The issue spans 2 GMs and 4 coaches so I think the problem lies in scouting. They are focusing on the wrong measurables or something that translates to NFL.
To be fair, while Kiwanuka was not an elite pass rusher, he was yo-yo'ed back and forth between DE and LB his entire career, and he was pretty productive as part of a rotation. One year he had 8 sacks, another he had 4 sacks through 3 games before getting hurt and missing the rest of the season. He doesn't belong on a list of Giants' pass rushing busts. Plus the narrative changes when a player contributes to 2 Super Bowl wins (even though he was injured for SB42).
However, the point remains that we haven't drafted any elite pass rushers aside from JPP. It just bothered me seeing Kiwanuka's name among the other steaming piles of garbage they've drafted.
It was more of a commentary on who was drafted since Tuck for producing sacks. Any while Kiwi did get yo-yo'd, he didn't live up to his billing as a first round pick IMO through position changes, health, etc. He's the second best rusher we drafted since Tuck. JPP, Kiwi......and then a very large gap.
Umenyiora.