Does Patrick Graham get fired after this season?

their ILB play stinks, the DBs look like they're trying to do too much rather than their fundamentals jobs, which tends to create gaps in the mesh.

It's damned hard to run a pro defense with poor LBs, and journeymen NTs.

is another symptom in their larger problems. Bad, desperate signing bidding against themselves.

agreed that the 2nd CB spot was weak, and that they were gameplanning as best they could around it last year...sometimes with success, sometimes not.

Jackson was somewhat a surprise release at the beginning of free agency by the Titans. And when he was, the Giants pushed all their chips in to not only bring him in but also to never let him leave with a signed deal. The bigger issue, at least to me, was why was he so coveted by Getts/FO? Especially since the Titans were just letting this 1st round pick walk without even negotiating with him.

However almost all of BBI applauded this deal, even with a relatively expensive contract. But it is looking like Jackson is not only a miss with dollars but also on player evaluation...yet again.

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In comment 15424677 JonC said:

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their ILB play stinks, the DBs look like they're trying to do too much rather than their fundamentals jobs, which tends to create gaps in the mesh. It's damned hard to run a pro defense with poor LBs, and journeymen NTs.

I've been wondering if Graham isn't using his players right, like putting Peppers on the elusive Cooper Kupp. Also with Ojulari, Ojulari is good at getting around the offensive lineman with bend and a rip move; neither has shown up on gameday. He's not a power guy.

In comment 15424654 JonC said:

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A number of defenders put up career years, and we knew it if you paid attention. They had many of the same problems, just in lesser form. This year, it's a shit show and then throw in the injuries. Graham doesn't have enough to work with, and even when they were relatively healthy he was calling a ton of soft zones to protect against its weaknesses. That in itself is a bad sign.

I wasn't as enamored of Graham, given I had a lot of doubts about his ability to work up an effective pass rush (one of my first threads was saying that his concept of "pass rush by committee" was a bad sign). Didn't expect the secondary to just jump off a cliff so to speak, I thought this year would be more like what you see with New England defenses: a lot of PDs, sacks in the 35-range. It's insanity seeing the same thing happen every play and no bothering to change things up: personnel, angles, pass rush moves.

we need to ride with Judge another year or two instead of being knee-jerky fire everyone all the time.

I definitely am surprised at how poorly the Defense has played. I thought graham had similar results with Miami: a good year followed by a bad year. [yeah, same with Spags, several times].

As far as the offense, the injuries are ridiculous and they get a pass. seems we will get back quite a few players within a couple of weeks, but the season will be lost by then. it will be grow for next year. ugh, always next year.

In comment 15424716 Jimmy Googs said:

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agreed that the 2nd CB spot was weak, and that they were gameplanning as best they could around it last year...sometimes with success, sometimes not. Jackson was somewhat a surprise release at the beginning of free agency by the Titans. And when he was, the Giants pushed all their chips in to not only bring him in but also to never let him leave with a signed deal. The bigger issue, at least to me, was why was he so coveted by Getts/FO? Especially since the Titans were just letting this 1st round pick walk without even negotiating with him. However almost all of BBI applauded this deal, even with a relatively expensive contract. But it is looking like Jackson is not only a miss with dollars but also on player evaluation...yet again.

Jackson is not the real problem here. it is scheme..

In comment 15426254 xtian said:

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we need to ride with Judge another year or two instead of being knee-jerky fire everyone all the time.

They lose the games the should have won, and got blown out in the games they should have lost. It's not really knee-jerk at all.

shouldn't get fired, IMO

But, there is a lot of football to be played, he'll get evaluated as well as the players

along with Gettleman if they don't start winning a few games.