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Does this roster have a cornerstone player?

JoeyBigBlue : 10/20/2021 12:24 pm
A guy that will be here 5 years from now. I honestly I can only think of 1 and that’s Andrew Thomas. Everyone else has big question marks going forward.
Not a cornerstone player  
Mike from Ohio : 10/20/2021 12:40 pm : link
but if we keep Judge, Nate Ebner will always have a roster spot.
RE: Not a cornerstone player  
gary_from_chester : 10/20/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15422752 Mike from Ohio said:
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but if we keep Judge, Nate Ebner will always have a roster spot.


What, no Cullen Gillaspia?
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David Dooley : 10/20/2021 12:50 pm : link
David Sills can be that guy if they put him on the field.
Thomas seems plausible...  
bw in dc : 10/20/2021 12:50 pm : link
If Toney can stay healthy, there is a lot to like there, too.

You'll probably get some Jones supporters if you think the flashes he's shown could more prevalent with more health, more continuity, etc. But I'm not buying.

On defense? Maybe Ojulari if he starts to play much, much better. Other than him, I don't see anyone.
Yes  
TheBlueprintNC : 10/20/2021 12:51 pm : link
QB, LT, DL1, DL2, WR! WR2 OG
Ugh...  
Dnew15 : 10/20/2021 12:53 pm : link
on a team with 53+ players it's hard to peg ONE - ONE as a player you KNOW is going to be really good.

Yikes.
Yeah, probably just Thomas. Not sure he will reach elite levels  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2021 12:56 pm : link
at Left Tackle, but he probably is the only player I wouldn't easily trade...
Thomas is a strong pick  
Greg from LI : 10/20/2021 1:04 pm : link
Toney if he can stay healthy.
If we end up tearing it down again this offseason  
eric2425ny : 10/20/2021 1:04 pm : link
the cornerstones to me are Thomas and Toney. I’d throw Ojulari in there as well since pass rushers are so hard to find and he has flashed a bit, especially early on.

The rest of the roster, sadly, is very replaceable. Before their injuries I would have added Gates and Lemieux due to their youth and upside. It would amaze me if Gates was able to come back and the patellar tendon injuries are no joke in the case of Lemieux.

It may not be popular with many people here, but I honestly hope they just let Barkley walk when he’s do for his next contract. His running style is not what I was expecting outside of the freak injuries, etc. He’s got tree trunk legs and is a big dude overall but his running style matches a guy the size of Chase Edmonds. I’ll take a one cut solidly built RB that will get me that 4-5 yards per carry with a few big runs here or there versus the guy dancing around trying to break off a 60 yard run every play.
Re-signing Barkley  
Dnew15 : 10/20/2021 1:10 pm : link
would be an epic mistake.

Love the kid - love the talent.

But you have to look around the NFL and see what's working and what's not.

RBs on 2nd contracts are NOT going well.
Thomas Bradberry  
Les in TO : 10/20/2021 1:12 pm : link
and Williams.
RE: Re-signing Barkley  
eric2425ny : 10/20/2021 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15422799 Dnew15 said:
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would be an epic mistake.

Love the kid - love the talent.

But you have to look around the NFL and see what's working and what's not.

RBs on 2nd contracts are NOT going well.


Exactly, like McCaffrey. Ran him into the ground in 2018 and 2019 especially.

He works out like crazy the 2019 offseason bulking up to help withstand the punishment the next season. They overload him again and boom, high ankle sprain pretty much ends his whole season.

Crazy workout routines again this offseason, comes in and is so worn out he has to get an IV at the end of week 2. Comes out the next Thursday night, pop goes the hamstring. He’s out now until week 9 at the earliest.

I think Carolina learned their lesson now. When he does come back I expect him to be in some kind of timeshare with Hubbard handling some of the early down work, rotating parts of each series, etc.
There's talent on the Offense...  
Walker Gillette : 10/20/2021 1:29 pm : link
Thomas and Toney have a chance to be special and Barkley, Golladay and too a lesser degree Sheppard can be very good when not injured. It is the defense that looks bleak. Williams is a very good player, but the Giants better pray that Ojulari and McKinney shine or that unit is in very big trouble for a long time.
I don't think there are any cornerstone players on the eve of a rebuil  
Go Terps : 10/20/2021 1:34 pm : link
I posted this yesterday - Only 2 players are here that were on the team in 2017. 96% turnover in less than 3.5 seasons. I expect a similar situation 3.5 years from now where a new regime has turned over almost the entire roster.

Thomas and probably Toney, I don't see  
Section331 : 10/20/2021 1:36 pm : link
anyone else. Maybe Jones and/or Peart, but other than that, no. What a sad state of affairs.
Consensus is Thomas and Toney  
AlwaysASpiral : 10/20/2021 2:29 pm : link
and I agree. Thomas is turning into a very very promising LT before our eyes.

Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.

I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.

He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.

I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...

RE: Consensus is Thomas and Toney  
eric2425ny : 10/20/2021 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15422896 AlwaysASpiral said:
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and I agree. Thomas is turning into a very very promising LT before our eyes.

Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.

I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.

He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.

I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...


He doesn’t have the top of end speed of Tyreek Hill (who does), but he’s got that quick elusiveness and tackle breaking instinct that is not something that can be taught. The catch that he ironically reinjured his ankle on last week was a display of that where he caught it, circled back and just blew right by the defender.

In terms of the deep ball, I know they said that is something he is still working on, but he impressed me with a few deep catches he had to adjust to in the Dallas game.
I am going to be more Optimistic  
njurygiants : 10/20/2021 2:47 pm : link
If we are just saying who are guys that can contibute at a high level and have a good chance of being here in 5 years,

I will Say

High Likelihood

Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT.

Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned

Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength.

Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him



Medium Likelihood

Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years.

Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years.

Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years.

Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice.

Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline.
Maybe Andrew Thomas..  
Sean : 10/20/2021 2:49 pm : link
LT’s don’t grow on trees.
5 years in the NFL is a long time…  
trueblueinpw : 10/20/2021 2:52 pm : link
I think only AT could possibly make sense in terms of position value and assuming a competent GM who understands 21 century NFL roster management.

Even if Toney is a terrific player he could be too expensive to give a big contract to after his rookie deal expires. Might want to see him play a few more snaps too - you know - let’s not put him in Canton just yet and all that.

5 years is a long time in the NFL and I don’t think you find a lot of teams in the league that won’t turn over most of their roster in five seasons.
Holy crap...Thomas over Jones?  
AnnapolisMike : 10/20/2021 2:53 pm : link
The guy who has had 3-4 good games in his career is a cornerstone player???? How about fixing the OL and going from there.
RE: Holy crap...Thomas over Jones?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2021 2:57 pm : link
In comment 15422930 AnnapolisMike said:
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The guy who has had 3-4 good games in his career is a cornerstone player???? How about fixing the OL and going from there.


3-4 good games by a NY Giant Offensive Tackle is almost unheard of.

That makes him a cornerstone...
Evan Engram.  
BrettNYG10 : 10/20/2021 2:59 pm : link
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None  
Spider43 : 10/20/2021 3:04 pm : link
Everyone should be available for the next administration to improve the team. I expect close to 100% turnover the next time we win the division.
RE: Evan Engram.  
Spider in Warwick : 10/20/2021 3:19 pm : link
In comment 15422941 BrettNYG10 said:
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Engram does have cornerstone hands ...
RE: Evan Engram.  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15422941 BrettNYG10 said:
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More like tombstone since he's a coach killer...
RE: Holy crap...Thomas over Jones?  
trueblueinpw : 10/20/2021 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15422930 AnnapolisMike said:
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The guy who has had 3-4 good games in his career is a cornerstone player???? How about fixing the OL and going from there.


Haven’t they both had like 3-4 good games? Or is that being too generous to Jones?
Toney and Thomas IMO  
Breeze_94 : 10/20/2021 4:36 pm : link
Assuming both can stay healthy...

Jones is a maybe

Still hopeful on McKinney, Ojulari, and even Dex Lawrence.

Also, 5 years is a long time in the NFL. I'm not sure many teams have a ton of guys who will be with the franchise and playing at a high level in 2026...save for the franchise QB's.
As long as the front  
Dave on the UWS : 10/20/2021 4:42 pm : link
office stays the same, there aren’t any cornerstone players - and never will be.These guys don’t know how to construct a roster whether it’s around certain players or not.
RE: Thomas seems plausible...  
EricJ : 10/20/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15422772 bw in dc said:
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If Toney can stay healthy, there is a lot to like there, too.


unfortunately if he is going to be playing on the turf in our stadium, with his style of play with the sudden stops and change of direction, he will see many more soft tissue injuries. The ACL is next
how many players can  
lecky : 10/20/2021 8:25 pm : link
you name on any team that will be there in 5 years? Other than franchise QB's. Between Free Agency, injuries and retirement its hard. Would like to see Thomas and Toney and Jones still here in 5 years. If Thomas and Toney are as good as the few moments they flashed this year, they will cost a fortune.
Yea  
Debaser : 10/21/2021 10:22 am : link
Jabril Peppers
(joking)  
Debaser : 10/21/2021 10:23 am : link
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None  
Thegratefulhead : 10/21/2021 10:37 am : link
Not one person has played at a high for long enough to be considered a cornerstone.

The best we have is.


Might be cornerstone.

No one mentioned is more than a might be.
5 years is a crazy long time  
njurygiants : 10/21/2021 1:23 pm : link
Look at the current Bucs roster, they returned all their starters and are trying to repeat,

Of that super bowl contending team, how many of them do you think will still be on the roster in 5 years....
RE: 5 years is a crazy long time  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/22/2021 6:50 am : link
In comment 15423902 njurygiants said:
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Look at the current Bucs roster, they returned all their starters and are trying to repeat,

Of that super bowl contending team, how many of them do you think will still be on the roster in 5 years....



Bucs are an older team but they still have

Tristan Wirfs
Antoine Winfield
Devin White
Carlton Davis
RE: I am going to be more Optimistic  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/22/2021 8:15 am : link
In comment 15422923 njurygiants said:
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If we are just saying who are guys that can contibute at a high level and have a good chance of being here in 5 years,

I will Say

High Likelihood

Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT. Totally agree here. Having a solid (or better) LT is a cornerstone by definition, IMO.

Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned His potential is off the charts, but he hasn't done enough yet to declare him a cornerstone. OBJ was similarly a great rookie contributor, and KT hasn't even gotten to that level yet, but he's also just scratching the surface.

Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength. I could see it. I could also see him just being a really good player but not necessarily foundational.

Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him Dex is a good player but hasn't really been a difference-maker thus far in his career. And for all of his athleticism at his size, it doesn't translate often enough into results. I think his future here depends on what the next steps of the franchise are in terms of scheme and desired positional archetypes.



Medium Likelihood

Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years. If we can't win with him on his rookie contract, adding the pieces around him that he'll need once his price goes up will only make it more difficult.

Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years. He's really good ("great" is a bit much, IMO), but I don't think he's young enough or dynamic enough to be anything more than a solid piece of a good defense; definitely not a centerpiece of a championship unit - he's a complementary player, IMO.

Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years. That's a big if. It was a really bad injury. He may not be the same player anymore, if he comes back at all. He's a warrior though, so I'm not betting against him.

Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice. I cannot imagine a world where Tae Crowder is a "cornerstone" player on any roster. He's much more likely to be a journeyman.

Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline. He still had work to do before he got injured; this sets him back in terms of progress. It's really optimistic to call him a cornerstone, but he can be a regular for a while if the injury has no lasting effects.

Overall, I feel like you're grading on a curve - some of these guys are getting playing time because the roster is still so bereft of talent (Crowder, for example, is really good depth but a mediocre starter), and because some of the players here have exceeded expectations coming out of their draft slots. But when it comes time for their next contract, it doesn't matter if they were a steal in the late rounds; they're either part of your future or they're not.
Not a single mention of Leonard Williams.  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/22/2021 8:16 am : link
The silence is deafening.
RE: Not a single mention of Leonard Williams.  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/22/2021 8:35 am : link
In comment 15424568 Gatorade Dunk said:
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The silence is deafening.



I don’t see Leonard Williams on this team past his current contract.
The answers to this thread are an indictment on the talent on the team  
Rick in Dallas : 10/22/2021 8:43 am : link
Responses stating possibly several players are cornerstone players shows how poor the talent really is on the Giants.Thanks Mara's,Tisch and DG.
What a feaking mess!!!
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