A guy that will be here 5 years from now. I honestly I can only think of 1 and that’s Andrew Thomas. Everyone else has big question marks going forward.
If Toney can stay healthy, there is a lot to like there, too.
You'll probably get some Jones supporters if you think the flashes he's shown could more prevalent with more health, more continuity, etc. But I'm not buying.
On defense? Maybe Ojulari if he starts to play much, much better. Other than him, I don't see anyone.
the cornerstones to me are Thomas and Toney. I’d throw Ojulari in there as well since pass rushers are so hard to find and he has flashed a bit, especially early on.
The rest of the roster, sadly, is very replaceable. Before their injuries I would have added Gates and Lemieux due to their youth and upside. It would amaze me if Gates was able to come back and the patellar tendon injuries are no joke in the case of Lemieux.
It may not be popular with many people here, but I honestly hope they just let Barkley walk when he’s do for his next contract. His running style is not what I was expecting outside of the freak injuries, etc. He’s got tree trunk legs and is a big dude overall but his running style matches a guy the size of Chase Edmonds. I’ll take a one cut solidly built RB that will get me that 4-5 yards per carry with a few big runs here or there versus the guy dancing around trying to break off a 60 yard run every play.
But you have to look around the NFL and see what's working and what's not.
RBs on 2nd contracts are NOT going well.
Exactly, like McCaffrey. Ran him into the ground in 2018 and 2019 especially.
He works out like crazy the 2019 offseason bulking up to help withstand the punishment the next season. They overload him again and boom, high ankle sprain pretty much ends his whole season.
Crazy workout routines again this offseason, comes in and is so worn out he has to get an IV at the end of week 2. Comes out the next Thursday night, pop goes the hamstring. He’s out now until week 9 at the earliest.
I think Carolina learned their lesson now. When he does come back I expect him to be in some kind of timeshare with Hubbard handling some of the early down work, rotating parts of each series, etc.
Thomas and Toney have a chance to be special and Barkley, Golladay and too a lesser degree Sheppard can be very good when not injured. It is the defense that looks bleak. Williams is a very good player, but the Giants better pray that Ojulari and McKinney shine or that unit is in very big trouble for a long time.
I don't think there are any cornerstone players on the eve of a rebuil
I posted this yesterday - Only 2 players are here that were on the team in 2017. 96% turnover in less than 3.5 seasons. I expect a similar situation 3.5 years from now where a new regime has turned over almost the entire roster.
and I agree. Thomas is turning into a very very promising LT before our eyes.
Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.
I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.
He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.
I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...
and I agree. Thomas is turning into a very very promising LT before our eyes.
Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.
I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.
He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.
I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...
He doesn’t have the top of end speed of Tyreek Hill (who does), but he’s got that quick elusiveness and tackle breaking instinct that is not something that can be taught. The catch that he ironically reinjured his ankle on last week was a display of that where he caught it, circled back and just blew right by the defender.
In terms of the deep ball, I know they said that is something he is still working on, but he impressed me with a few deep catches he had to adjust to in the Dallas game.
If we are just saying who are guys that can contibute at a high level and have a good chance of being here in 5 years,
I will Say
High Likelihood
Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT.
Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned
Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength.
Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him
Medium Likelihood
Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years.
Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years.
Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years.
Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice.
Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline.
I think only AT could possibly make sense in terms of position value and assuming a competent GM who understands 21 century NFL roster management.
Even if Toney is a terrific player he could be too expensive to give a big contract to after his rookie deal expires. Might want to see him play a few more snaps too - you know - let’s not put him in Canton just yet and all that.
5 years is a long time in the NFL and I don’t think you find a lot of teams in the league that won’t turn over most of their roster in five seasons.
Still hopeful on McKinney, Ojulari, and even Dex Lawrence.
Also, 5 years is a long time in the NFL. I'm not sure many teams have a ton of guys who will be with the franchise and playing at a high level in 2026...save for the franchise QB's.
office stays the same, there aren’t any cornerstone players - and never will be.These guys don’t know how to construct a roster whether it’s around certain players or not.
If Toney can stay healthy, there is a lot to like there, too.
unfortunately if he is going to be playing on the turf in our stadium, with his style of play with the sudden stops and change of direction, he will see many more soft tissue injuries. The ACL is next
you name on any team that will be there in 5 years? Other than franchise QB's. Between Free Agency, injuries and retirement its hard. Would like to see Thomas and Toney and Jones still here in 5 years. If Thomas and Toney are as good as the few moments they flashed this year, they will cost a fortune.
If we are just saying who are guys that can contibute at a high level and have a good chance of being here in 5 years,
I will Say
High Likelihood
Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT. Totally agree here. Having a solid (or better) LT is a cornerstone by definition, IMO.
Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned His potential is off the charts, but he hasn't done enough yet to declare him a cornerstone. OBJ was similarly a great rookie contributor, and KT hasn't even gotten to that level yet, but he's also just scratching the surface.
Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength. I could see it. I could also see him just being a really good player but not necessarily foundational.
Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him Dex is a good player but hasn't really been a difference-maker thus far in his career. And for all of his athleticism at his size, it doesn't translate often enough into results. I think his future here depends on what the next steps of the franchise are in terms of scheme and desired positional archetypes.
Medium Likelihood
Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years. If we can't win with him on his rookie contract, adding the pieces around him that he'll need once his price goes up will only make it more difficult.
Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years. He's really good ("great" is a bit much, IMO), but I don't think he's young enough or dynamic enough to be anything more than a solid piece of a good defense; definitely not a centerpiece of a championship unit - he's a complementary player, IMO.
Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years. That's a big if. It was a really bad injury. He may not be the same player anymore, if he comes back at all. He's a warrior though, so I'm not betting against him.
Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice. I cannot imagine a world where Tae Crowder is a "cornerstone" player on any roster. He's much more likely to be a journeyman.
Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline. He still had work to do before he got injured; this sets him back in terms of progress. It's really optimistic to call him a cornerstone, but he can be a regular for a while if the injury has no lasting effects.
Overall, I feel like you're grading on a curve - some of these guys are getting playing time because the roster is still so bereft of talent (Crowder, for example, is really good depth but a mediocre starter), and because some of the players here have exceeded expectations coming out of their draft slots. But when it comes time for their next contract, it doesn't matter if they were a steal in the late rounds; they're either part of your future or they're not.
Responses stating possibly several players are cornerstone players shows how poor the talent really is on the Giants.Thanks Mara's,Tisch and DG.
What a feaking mess!!!
What, no Cullen Gillaspia?
You'll probably get some Jones supporters if you think the flashes he's shown could more prevalent with more health, more continuity, etc. But I'm not buying.
On defense? Maybe Ojulari if he starts to play much, much better. Other than him, I don't see anyone.
Yikes.
The rest of the roster, sadly, is very replaceable. Before their injuries I would have added Gates and Lemieux due to their youth and upside. It would amaze me if Gates was able to come back and the patellar tendon injuries are no joke in the case of Lemieux.
It may not be popular with many people here, but I honestly hope they just let Barkley walk when he’s do for his next contract. His running style is not what I was expecting outside of the freak injuries, etc. He’s got tree trunk legs and is a big dude overall but his running style matches a guy the size of Chase Edmonds. I’ll take a one cut solidly built RB that will get me that 4-5 yards per carry with a few big runs here or there versus the guy dancing around trying to break off a 60 yard run every play.
Love the kid - love the talent.
But you have to look around the NFL and see what's working and what's not.
RBs on 2nd contracts are NOT going well.
Love the kid - love the talent.
But you have to look around the NFL and see what's working and what's not.
RBs on 2nd contracts are NOT going well.
Exactly, like McCaffrey. Ran him into the ground in 2018 and 2019 especially.
He works out like crazy the 2019 offseason bulking up to help withstand the punishment the next season. They overload him again and boom, high ankle sprain pretty much ends his whole season.
Crazy workout routines again this offseason, comes in and is so worn out he has to get an IV at the end of week 2. Comes out the next Thursday night, pop goes the hamstring. He’s out now until week 9 at the earliest.
I think Carolina learned their lesson now. When he does come back I expect him to be in some kind of timeshare with Hubbard handling some of the early down work, rotating parts of each series, etc.
Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.
I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.
He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.
I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...
Re Toney, his first two catches a few weeks back and I immediately saw this guys "IT" factor. We have all seen him absolutely make astonishing moves REGULARLY.
I would say it like this, he is the type of SPECIAL receiver that only comes along every so often. We haven't seen if he can be much of a deep route runner (yet and I'm not counting on that) but getting him the ball from the LOS to 5yds, to 10yds - he is a real threat to run 20 yds if there are not 2 defenders.
He reminds me of those moments when Barkely finally has a hole to dance through. He has a chance to score or at least break a big run, but in a different way. Toney is very fast, but even more illusive. I really want to see how much of a deep threat he can be, if any. But even that removed, he is special. I never focus on Giant players much. But I find me looking all over for this guy because he is ELECTRIC.
I am calling Toney a possible generational receiver (and talent.) If he can stay healthy, oh man...
He doesn’t have the top of end speed of Tyreek Hill (who does), but he’s got that quick elusiveness and tackle breaking instinct that is not something that can be taught. The catch that he ironically reinjured his ankle on last week was a display of that where he caught it, circled back and just blew right by the defender.
In terms of the deep ball, I know they said that is something he is still working on, but he impressed me with a few deep catches he had to adjust to in the Dallas game.
I will Say
High Likelihood
Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT.
Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned
Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength.
Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him
Medium Likelihood
Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years.
Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years.
Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years.
Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice.
Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline.
Even if Toney is a terrific player he could be too expensive to give a big contract to after his rookie deal expires. Might want to see him play a few more snaps too - you know - let’s not put him in Canton just yet and all that.
5 years is a long time in the NFL and I don’t think you find a lot of teams in the league that won’t turn over most of their roster in five seasons.
3-4 good games by a NY Giant Offensive Tackle is almost unheard of.
That makes him a cornerstone...
Engram does have cornerstone hands ...
More like tombstone since he's a coach killer...
Haven’t they both had like 3-4 good games? Or is that being too generous to Jones?
Jones is a maybe
Still hopeful on McKinney, Ojulari, and even Dex Lawrence.
Also, 5 years is a long time in the NFL. I'm not sure many teams have a ton of guys who will be with the franchise and playing at a high level in 2026...save for the franchise QB's.
unfortunately if he is going to be playing on the turf in our stadium, with his style of play with the sudden stops and change of direction, he will see many more soft tissue injuries. The ACL is next
The best we have is.
Might be cornerstone.
No one mentioned is more than a might be.
Of that super bowl contending team, how many of them do you think will still be on the roster in 5 years....
Of that super bowl contending team, how many of them do you think will still be on the roster in 5 years....
Bucs are an older team but they still have
Tristan Wirfs
Antoine Winfield
Devin White
Carlton Davis
I will Say
High Likelihood
Andrew Thomas- If he can get healthy he has shone he can be a above average to great LT. Totally agree here. Having a solid (or better) LT is a cornerstone by definition, IMO.
Toney - He has shown great flashes and in 5 years he will still be finishing out his rookie deal or resigned His potential is off the charts, but he hasn't done enough yet to declare him a cornerstone. OBJ was similarly a great rookie contributor, and KT hasn't even gotten to that level yet, but he's also just scratching the surface.
Xavier Mckinney- I really like what he has been doing this year, he is still young and has a lot to learn but I think he has the ability to get a lot of reps this year and become and strength. I could see it. I could also see him just being a really good player but not necessarily foundational.
Dexter Lawrence- He is a very good player and a strength that will only improve as more pieces are added around him Dex is a good player but hasn't really been a difference-maker thus far in his career. And for all of his athleticism at his size, it doesn't translate often enough into results. I think his future here depends on what the next steps of the franchise are in terms of scheme and desired positional archetypes.
Medium Likelihood
Daniel Jones - I am a supporter , I think with a better o-line and having playmakers on the field he showed he could be the guy if he gets a deal after his rookie deal he would definitely be here in 5 years. If we can't win with him on his rookie contract, adding the pieces around him that he'll need once his price goes up will only make it more difficult.
Blake Martinez- I think he is a great player that has been a great addition to the giants if he comes back strong from injury I see him staying around, he will only be 32 in 5 years. He's really good ("great" is a bit much, IMO), but I don't think he's young enough or dynamic enough to be anything more than a solid piece of a good defense; definitely not a centerpiece of a championship unit - he's a complementary player, IMO.
Nick Gates - If he can return form the injury I see him as a versatile guy that has won over the locker room and gets a deal that keeps him here past 5 years. That's a big if. It was a really bad injury. He may not be the same player anymore, if he comes back at all. He's a warrior though, so I'm not betting against him.
Tae Crowder- He is the kind of guy that sticks around on the giants, underdog that would prob take a team friendly deal. Not a all pro by any means but a decent peice. I cannot imagine a world where Tae Crowder is a "cornerstone" player on any roster. He's much more likely to be a journeyman.
Shane Lemuiex- I am still excited with what we saw from this kid, I think he is physical and can grow a lot and good be part of the solution on the Oline. He still had work to do before he got injured; this sets him back in terms of progress. It's really optimistic to call him a cornerstone, but he can be a regular for a while if the injury has no lasting effects.
Overall, I feel like you're grading on a curve - some of these guys are getting playing time because the roster is still so bereft of talent (Crowder, for example, is really good depth but a mediocre starter), and because some of the players here have exceeded expectations coming out of their draft slots. But when it comes time for their next contract, it doesn't matter if they were a steal in the late rounds; they're either part of your future or they're not.
I don’t see Leonard Williams on this team past his current contract.
What a feaking mess!!!