What do we actually *know* about Judge’s roster input?

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Anyone else wanted Nate Ebner. Also, we heard about Saban influencing the Giants on the McKinney pick. As well as we heard each of the signees this off season having substantially long meetings with Judge prior to them getting signed. Wouldn’t make much sense if he has no say.

I absolutely believe Judge had major input of this past year's draft and free agency period.
I think he totally thought the OL was good to go and play the kids as DG said.

In comment 15423494 JohnB said:

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Same with Evan Engram.

And DG was against that pick. Just reading the body language when the pick was made DG wanted an offensive lineman but we took a guy with Georgia connections. What a steal to get him in round 2!

committee approach since Judge was hired. Judge certainly has input, likely a significant amount. Even so, he isn't the one negotiating the contracts. As I've said before, I didn't have a problem with taking a flyer on a guy like Adoree, I did have a problem committing $25M guaranteed, and $39M over 3 years.

And yes, I understand that other teams like Philly may have been poking around, but the one thing I liked about DG's track record at CAR was that he put a value on a player and didn't waver. He seems to have abandoned that completely here.

Its still GM's job to get the talent.. to not overpay.. A HC has many more responsibilities than to study 250+ players every year for the draft.. Why do we have a GM collecting over a Million per year if all he does is bring in players who the HC wants.. The talent level or lack of is the responsibility of the GM not the coach.. underdevelopment of the talent is on the coaches though..

Toney seems like a guy that Judge might have had some input on. No way DG takes Toney if he's the only one calling the shots.

And everybody else we don't know as confirmed by the above posts...

They say it is collaborative, and we will likely not know anything more than that.

I'm sure if Judge goes to the mat for a guy like Ebner DG will get him. I'm sure if DG has a conviction on a guy in the draft he will take him. I don't think some players are DG guys and some are Judge guys. I think it is more complicated than that.

the Giants took a flier on the potential of a guy who has yet to prove he is up to the task. A young special teams coach on a team dominated by the head coach--should have been red flags everywhere! Judge talks a good game but his tough guy, disciplined approach has yet to prove effective with this team that is neither tough, nor disciplined.

I'm sure both JJ & DG get input into it. They probably correctly noted last year that they needed a better corner opposite JB. DG went and got Adoree and so on and so forth.

Who knew nearly every player would take a step back minus AT & DJ? Frankly we don't know if either of those guys have taken a large enough step forward.

On paper, the offseason & draft moves looked at least to yield a better team than last year - that clearly isn't the case. Even the coaches are panicking at this point and their performance is worse than last year.

They can blame injuries, but they still sucked from the 1st game of the season.

In comment 15423533 ryanmkeane said:

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Toney seems like a guy that Judge might have had some input on. No way DG takes Toney if he's the only one calling the shots.

That's probably fair. I'm not so sure that Ojulari was necessarily a JJ pick, DG loves his Georgia guys too.

DB when Shurmur was the HC. So the GA stuff isn't just Judge.

has a clue as to what goes on in the building. Anything here is pure speculation, nothing more. Its never been revealed who wanted whom.

Ex Patriot,Georgia,Alabama,corner backs

You can see it not only in the draft and free agency,but in the moves that are made throughout the week.

My guess is he views himself as someone who should be GM and coach,but that's just my opinion.

than the "team" is relying on the information provided by the Player Personnel dept. - headed by Chris Mara! And they've done a bang up job the last 10 years haven't they.

but if any GM out there doesn't get input from his head coach then he's an idiot.

I don't think you can even debate that.

Judge/Graham had ties to Ryan, Martinez, Ebner, the gunner that we traded for this year, Shelton at minimum. Then you have guys like Ragland and the guy who got suspended with Bama ties.

Garrett had ties to Alfred Morris, the tackle we had last year (was also a Pat), Looney, Cooper Rush.

Bechter had ties to Mauro, Bethea, the moneybacker, a couple more.

It didn't look like Shurmur brought any of his players and I think that is another reason why he just seemed like a playcaller. Crap, Gettleman handed him his offensive coordinator.

Ultimately, the Gettleman's name is attached to the last 4 years but to think that the coaches didn't have great deal related to this roster and/or most players (defense) seemed to have regressed from last year is not being intellectually honest.

In comment 15423497 Rick in Dallas said:

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I absolutely believe Judge had major input of this past year's draft and free agency period. I think he totally thought the OL was good to go and play the kids as DG said.

I agree and been saying the same, especially the draft. An extra top end pick for ‘22, a weapon on O, an edge / LB, a CB, an edge/ LB: the BB versatile and player flipping methodology, plus the 2nd trade in an organization notorious for drafting BPA in their spot.

It has not gone well for DG and he will be gone but it not like he assembled the mess all on his own. I also think a QB was a total no go in 2018 and Mara committed to Eli finishing his contract. I'll add Betcher was the one pushing for Baker as he said he needed one for his defense to work.

With the way the Giants operate with this "consensus" approach it hard to really know what is going on with certainty.

And I like the fact it hasn’t gone off the rails… yet

Collaborative is the only thing I actually know. They say it. The actions back it up.

Say what you want about the FO but they support the coaches with the players they want.it is extremely evident in FA. We saw it with shurmur and particularly betcher. We see it judge. We don’t actually know how that applies to the draft but I think it is reasonable to ASSUME the coaches are involved in draft on a similar level as FA.

The Christ s Mara shit drives me nuts because no one actually knows. And people speak as if they do. It is possible his title is purely ceremonial. He may also contribute to the FO side of evaluation. He might have a lot of say in it. I have know idea. I believe we all follow this team closely and none of us actually know.

That said there has been things I like and dislike about the moves the last 2 and 4 years. I would have rather have kept Tomlinson the sign Jackson (assuming those are comparable)

I like the young offensive linemen we have and think they could develop into a good unit. I think you gotta let them play. However I would have kept Zietler or drafted a guard in the top 4. One or the other. In terms of depth it’s not reasonable for a team to be 8 deep on quality IOL. That’s shit luck.

Peary not developing is a puzzle. I felt good about him improving as a starter this year and solder as a back up. I’m not gonna monday morning QB that situation.

regardless what we think and how it works, they're making shitty choices along the way.

we've drafted a good amount of LBs between both HCs to not have a certified starter. Crowder is not it. DB too. we fell in love with every 4th/5th round DB since julian love.

we're all looking for somewhere to point a finger but we need to just realize its bad all over.

So, stop blaming DG for everything. The blame is shared, also with Mara. Patrick Graham shares in the blame as well. Ultimately the players aren't playing well and many are injury prone.