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1 He talked about Big Men, Hog Mollies, Gettleman never even came close to fixing the line, for a variety of reasons. From 2018-20, the Giants finished 25th, 16th, and 32nd in Pro Football Focus’ pass blocking ratings and 16th, 22nd, and 23rd in run blocking. This season, they are 31st in pass blocking and 26th in run blocking. In 2020, the Giants allowed 50 sacks, the second-most in the NFL
2 Saquon, It was a predictive moment: An older GM, stuck in his ways, out-of-touch with modern NFL decision-making. The analytics community has mocked Gettleman incessantly since that moment (they’re not alone), and it’s one he’ll likely never live down — especially since the criticism proved true. Using premium assets on a running back — especially the No. 2 pick — is not the smartest way to do business in the modern NFL.
3 Beckham, Well, as it turned out, Gettleman did sign Beckham and then traded him. The Giants spent $21.4 million on Beckham for one season, 2018, when he had a so-so year — 1,052 yards and six touchdowns in 12 games. Plus, Gettleman didn’t fully shop Beckham around the league — which shocked at least one interested team, the 49ers — before trading him to the Browns. He didn’t even give the 49ers a chance to exceed the Browns’ offer — malpractice by Gettleman.
4 Rebuilding while winning, The Giants organization’s failure to recognize that Manning had already passed his expiration date as a viable starting quarterback led to a lot of the mistakes that were made in 2018, when Gettleman went on a spending spreem handing $62 million to Nate Solder, $21 million to Kareem Martin, $15 million to Patrick Omameh, $6.9 million to Jonathan Stewart and trading for Alec Ogletree. By 2020, he already admitted he made a mistake trying to win while rebuilding, which never made sense in the first place. The plan failed miserably, and the Giants are still paying for it.
5 Pat Shurmur, Shurmur wasn’t the right guy to coach the Giants. In fact, he was very much the wrong guy — a retread hire who failed in Cleveland (9-23 in two seasons) and, sure enough, failed with the Giants. Shurmur went 5-11 in 2018 (including a 4-4 finish that must’ve wowed Gettleman) and 4-12 in 2019. And then he got fired. He never should’ve been hired in the first place. That was evident during his 1-7 start in 2018 and 2-11 start in 2019.
6 Cape Cod, - (At 2019 NFL Combine) “I told you, and I’m very serious about what I said: I would love to drop a franchise quarterback in this place, and then watch him from Cape Cod [in retirement] and enjoy the hell out of it, OK? That’s a gift. That’s what I’d like to do for the New York Giants.”
He played well in the first four games this year (four touchdowns, one pick, 98.3 rating). But the Giants are now 1-5, and questions still linger about his long-term viability as the starter.
7 Rome wasn’t built in a day, darling, It’s 2021 and the Giants’ pass rush has never been worse. Gettleman opted not to invest significant assets in bringing in upgrades at edge rusher over four offseasons, instead trying to find productive pass rushers in the middle rounds of the draft and in the bargain bin in free agency. The latter method worked once (Markus Golden had 10 sacks in 2019) but otherwise, it has been a failure. So, sure, Rome wasn’t built in a day. But the Giants pass rush still hasn’t been built after four years.
8 kicking the can, - (December 2019) “Whatever amount of money we end up having, you have to put $20 million and put it to the side, put it in a savings account ,because you want to be in a position in-season to do extensions. If an attractive player is there, you want to have the cap space to make the decision, instead of saying ‘We can’t afford this guy, we can’t afford that guy.’ So, you take $20 million aside.”
The Giants went on such a spending spree this and last offseason that in order to even be cap compliant at the start of the season they had to restructure multiple contracts to ... kick the can down the road. This year alone, they’ve restructured the contracts for James Bradberry (twice), Blake Martinez, Logan Ryan and Sterling Shepard in order to create more salary cap space for the present, while dipping into future flexibility.
And it’s not as if Gettleman was never doing that before, either, like he implied. The Giants had restructured contracts for Nate Solder and Kevin Zeitler in past years, both decisions which eventually came back to bite them in 2021.
9 The Big Picture, “I’ve been hired to win, and the only promise I can make is I’m going to do everything in my power to lead this organization back to where it belongs. That’s my goal. That’s my intention. It’s going to get done.”
It didn’t get done
Obviously the coaching staff evaluates guys and lets the front office know what they think. Did coaches sign off on standing pat on the OL? It is very easy to blame the GM when the entire front office should be having some input.
He said football hasn’t changed, you gotta run the ball, stop the run and rush the passer. Hog mollies, big men, We are going to get back to that.
The Giants don’t have a strong running game, They aren’t stopping the run that well and the are awful at rushing the passer.
He made all these promises and delivered on none of them.
My guess, not what I want, but my guess is he retires or is fired, Mara promotes from within, probably Abrams, and everyone, Judge, Jones… has to prove themselves in 2022
This team is a basement dweller and needs to improve just to get up to middle of the road.
but he most notably two positions handled so very poorly:
OLine and Edge/LB'ers.
We have shopped at Kmart for the OLine while spending Vera Wang money on the products.
Edge/LB'ers we keep looking for thee hidden gem, the overlooked star and then mixing those pieces with as many 4th-7th rd draft picks as we can find. It has led us nowhere.
SB was a killer pick- in the negative. The tease of his rookie year led the Giants to believe that Eli was holding the team back and all they needed was a new young QB to pair with SB. The fact is Eli was already done when you snagged SB, the Oline was what was holding the whole offense back...
DG is nothing more and nothing less than a complete disaster of a GM!
other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
An aged RB whose next best alternative was retiring on his couch. The price tag, while ridiculous, wasn't actually the worst part of this signing. It was the player.
Good thing Getts got him on like the first day of free agency too. Watch a catch...
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It has 9 points
1 He talked about Big Men, Hog Mollies, Gettleman never even came close to fixing the line, for a variety of reasons. From 2018-20, the Giants finished 25th, 16th, and 32nd in Pro Football Focus’ pass blocking ratings and 16th, 22nd, and 23rd in run blocking. This season, they are 31st in pass blocking and 26th in run blocking. In 2020, the Giants allowed 50 sacks, the second-most in the NFL
2 Saquon, It was a predictive moment: An older GM, stuck in his ways, out-of-touch with modern NFL decision-making. The analytics community has mocked Gettleman incessantly since that moment (they’re not alone), and it’s one he’ll likely never live down — especially since the criticism proved true. Using premium assets on a running back — especially the No. 2 pick — is not the smartest way to do business in the modern NFL.
3 Beckham, Well, as it turned out, Gettleman did sign Beckham and then traded him. The Giants spent $21.4 million on Beckham for one season, 2018, when he had a so-so year — 1,052 yards and six touchdowns in 12 games. Plus, Gettleman didn’t fully shop Beckham around the league — which shocked at least one interested team, the 49ers — before trading him to the Browns. He didn’t even give the 49ers a chance to exceed the Browns’ offer — malpractice by Gettleman.
4 Rebuilding while winning, The Giants organization’s failure to recognize that Manning had already passed his expiration date as a viable starting quarterback led to a lot of the mistakes that were made in 2018, when Gettleman went on a spending spreem handing $62 million to Nate Solder, $21 million to Kareem Martin, $15 million to Patrick Omameh, $6.9 million to Jonathan Stewart and trading for Alec Ogletree. By 2020, he already admitted he made a mistake trying to win while rebuilding, which never made sense in the first place. The plan failed miserably, and the Giants are still paying for it.
5 Pat Shurmur, Shurmur wasn’t the right guy to coach the Giants. In fact, he was very much the wrong guy — a retread hire who failed in Cleveland (9-23 in two seasons) and, sure enough, failed with the Giants. Shurmur went 5-11 in 2018 (including a 4-4 finish that must’ve wowed Gettleman) and 4-12 in 2019. And then he got fired. He never should’ve been hired in the first place. That was evident during his 1-7 start in 2018 and 2-11 start in 2019.
6 Cape Cod, - (At 2019 NFL Combine) “I told you, and I’m very serious about what I said: I would love to drop a franchise quarterback in this place, and then watch him from Cape Cod [in retirement] and enjoy the hell out of it, OK? That’s a gift. That’s what I’d like to do for the New York Giants.”
He played well in the first four games this year (four touchdowns, one pick, 98.3 rating). But the Giants are now 1-5, and questions still linger about his long-term viability as the starter.
7 Rome wasn’t built in a day, darling, It’s 2021 and the Giants’ pass rush has never been worse. Gettleman opted not to invest significant assets in bringing in upgrades at edge rusher over four offseasons, instead trying to find productive pass rushers in the middle rounds of the draft and in the bargain bin in free agency. The latter method worked once (Markus Golden had 10 sacks in 2019) but otherwise, it has been a failure. So, sure, Rome wasn’t built in a day. But the Giants pass rush still hasn’t been built after four years.
8 kicking the can, - (December 2019) “Whatever amount of money we end up having, you have to put $20 million and put it to the side, put it in a savings account ,because you want to be in a position in-season to do extensions. If an attractive player is there, you want to have the cap space to make the decision, instead of saying ‘We can’t afford this guy, we can’t afford that guy.’ So, you take $20 million aside.”
The Giants went on such a spending spree this and last offseason that in order to even be cap compliant at the start of the season they had to restructure multiple contracts to ... kick the can down the road. This year alone, they’ve restructured the contracts for James Bradberry (twice), Blake Martinez, Logan Ryan and Sterling Shepard in order to create more salary cap space for the present, while dipping into future flexibility.
And it’s not as if Gettleman was never doing that before, either, like he implied. The Giants had restructured contracts for Nate Solder and Kevin Zeitler in past years, both decisions which eventually came back to bite them in 2021.
9 The Big Picture, “I’ve been hired to win, and the only promise I can make is I’m going to do everything in my power to lead this organization back to where it belongs. That’s my goal. That’s my intention. It’s going to get done.”
It didn’t get done
Mike, thanks for posting that! Couldn't access the article.
other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
$15 million for Patrick Omameh has to be worse. He was awful for the Giants and has been released by five NFL teams since leaving New York, the Saints released him twice. He's barely played a game since moving on from us.
"Rome wasn't built in a day Darlin" wasn't mentioned more in terms of the condescending tone and borderline sexist nature. I am no snowflake but I have seen less get ripped apart and that is definitely an old school male way of talking to a female reporter.
6.9 million $ contract to Jonathan Stewart - I still can't believe it
I enjoy voicing my opinion and thinking I could do a better job from my couch than the people who run the Giants. I'll be the first to admit my "Evaluations' are based on just watching games on TV and I'm nothing more than a loudmouth fan. But if there's one position anyone can evaluate even from just watching TV it's a really good RB who is out of gas.
Jonathan Stewart was a really good back but he was completely done when Gettleman gave him a 7 million dollar contract, over 3 million guaranteed. He was coming off by far his worst year and had been beat up for 9 NFL seasons. He had 1699 carries for the Panthers and 6 for the Giants. 6! He was paid over a half million dollars a carry by the idiot that's still the Giants GM 4 years later.
DG got a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick swap from the Bucs in 2018 for JPP. Giants drafted BJ Hill in 3rd round of 2018 draft who DG traded for Bill Price.
Giants have won 19 games since JPP was traded. JPP had 30.5 sacks in Tampa during 2018-2020 seasons and won a SB ring last year. Who do you think won this one guys?
Obviously the coaching staff evaluates guys and lets the front office know what they think. Did coaches sign off on standing pat on the OL? It is very easy to blame the GM when the entire front office should be having some input.
When the GM stands at the podium for his opening press conference and declares his intent to fix the offensive line, expands upon his belief that "hawg mawllies" are the key to success, details his plan for success centering around running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer...
At what point do you actually realize that he's a snake oil salesman who has no idea what he's doing?
other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
The worst part about it is he clearly knew he was going to draft Barkley too. Which not everyone who criticized it at the time it happened even knew
One of Resume Dave's favorite roster-building techniques is to use cap space to have a useless veteran player act as a de facto position coach when he could actually just hire a coach for that exact role and not have it count against the cap.
That one is a knock against KA too. For some years, I wanted to believe that it was a favor to agents, but I have yet to see those favors cashed in.
other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
The worst part about it is he clearly knew he was going to draft Barkley too. Which not everyone who criticized it at the time it happened even knew
One of Resume Dave's favorite roster-building techniques is to use cap space to have a useless veteran player act as a de facto position coach when he could actually just hire a coach for that exact role and not have it count against the cap.
That one is a knock against KA too. For some years, I wanted to believe that it was a favor to agents, but I have yet to see those favors cashed in.
I understand having a "roleplayer", ie someone off the bench who provides more leadership than production, in the NBA, NHL, and MLB. But the only room for a "roleplayer" on an NFL team is the backup QB
other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
oh I remember the defenders. There were quite a few of them.
My favorite was the guy who repeatedly tossed the "You know nothing about football" insult towards anyone who criticized the move, in the grounds that Stewart was an outstanding influence in the locker room.
We're hear to announce Dave Gettleman as the new General Manager.
His knowledge of personnel in the National Football League is second to none. I think he has excellent evaluation skills and he's a great communicator. He has strong leadership qualities.
Given the state of our team at the moment, and all the difficult decisions we have facing us, we believed it was important to bring in someone with experience as a general manager. Someone with a proven track record....
After conducting these interviews, and doing our research, and much discussion with myself, Steve Tisch and Ernie Accorsi, we had a conviction that Dave was the right man for the job.
I want to acknowledge and thank Ernie for his help and guidance throughout this process. And now it is my great pleasure to introduce the next general manager of the New York Giants - Dave Gettleman.
"...the right man for the job..."
RE: 6.9 million $ contract to Jonathan Stewart - I still can't believe it
Jonathan Stewart was a really good back but he was completely done when Gettleman gave him a 7 million dollar contract, over 3 million guaranteed. He was coming off by far his worst year and had been beat up for 9 NFL seasons. He had 1699 carries for the Panthers and 6 for the Giants. 6! He was paid over a half million dollars a carry by the idiot that's still the Giants GM 4 years later.
And Gettleman emphatically declared that Stewart hadn't lost anything. Emphatically!!
I wish Icould argue, but it’s well written truth. Sounds almost like
other travesties with elderly men in charge of complicated institutions. I’m not “anti elder” as I’m 82 i’m just against incompetence destroying what I love.
I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin'.
He said that to Jones right? He is so a dinosaur. Dude, it isn't the 1960s.
The best part of these is seeing our Fat friend from Charlotte doing his thing... ;)
These threads certainly didn't age well, especially by those who shall not be named. They left under the guise of "the level of discourse on BBI is no longer acceptable."
A lot of the usual suspects Defending the Faith for
I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin'.
He said that to Jones right? He is so a dinosaur. Dude, it isn't the 1960s.
You would hear a record scratch in any other office, in any other industry, if a male senior executive said that to a woman, regardless of her role.
Not only is DG incompetent, he's an outdated asshole.
Sadly, I think for some of those who defend him, that's their favorite part about him.
Rory is great. He actually questions other people's intelligence no matter how frequently his lack thereof is exposed. He's like the M. Night Shyamalan of BBI.
"Rome wasn't built in a day Darlin" wasn't mentioned more in terms of the condescending tone and borderline sexist nature. I am no snowflake but I have seen less get ripped apart and that is definitely an old school male way of talking to a female reporter.
Several times I ripped him for it. Ripped him from the beginning with his early moves and his arrogance.
He should've started building that OLINE the minute he drafted Barkley or before with young guys and even this year a complete lack of recognition juts like early on of his team's talent.
I gave him kudos though for this summer admitting his blunder that he tried to do both. His arrogance form the beginning gave signs of that.
But the final nail, which should be the final nail, is that his defense has crumbled.
Is in his "run the ball" part of his mantra, I think it clear he is talking about pounding the rock, controlling the time of possession, 3 yards and a cloud of dust type of game.
But then drafts a boom or bust RB who hates contact with the 2nd pick.
DG got a 3rd round pick and 4th round pick swap from the Bucs in 2018 for JPP. Giants drafted BJ Hill in 3rd round of 2018 draft who DG traded for Bill Price.
Giants have won 19 games since JPP was traded. JPP had 30.5 sacks in Tampa during 2018-2020 seasons and won a SB ring last year. Who do you think won this one guys?
Don't even bother asking that here.. Half of the people think he was part of the problem because he took the initiative to display displeasure at the idiotic management.. Not realizing that 2 way DEs are hard to find and its much smarter to just ignore his nonsense and fix the real problems rather than fixing the locker room..
Fix real problems and the locker room is never going to be a problem.. its very simple concept..
Here’s a summary
It has 9 points
1 He talked about Big Men, Hog Mollies, Gettleman never even came close to fixing the line, for a variety of reasons. From 2018-20, the Giants finished 25th, 16th, and 32nd in Pro Football Focus’ pass blocking ratings and 16th, 22nd, and 23rd in run blocking. This season, they are 31st in pass blocking and 26th in run blocking. In 2020, the Giants allowed 50 sacks, the second-most in the NFL
2 Saquon, It was a predictive moment: An older GM, stuck in his ways, out-of-touch with modern NFL decision-making. The analytics community has mocked Gettleman incessantly since that moment (they’re not alone), and it’s one he’ll likely never live down — especially since the criticism proved true. Using premium assets on a running back — especially the No. 2 pick — is not the smartest way to do business in the modern NFL.
3 Beckham, Well, as it turned out, Gettleman did sign Beckham and then traded him. The Giants spent $21.4 million on Beckham for one season, 2018, when he had a so-so year — 1,052 yards and six touchdowns in 12 games. Plus, Gettleman didn’t fully shop Beckham around the league — which shocked at least one interested team, the 49ers — before trading him to the Browns. He didn’t even give the 49ers a chance to exceed the Browns’ offer — malpractice by Gettleman.
4 Rebuilding while winning, The Giants organization’s failure to recognize that Manning had already passed his expiration date as a viable starting quarterback led to a lot of the mistakes that were made in 2018, when Gettleman went on a spending spreem handing $62 million to Nate Solder, $21 million to Kareem Martin, $15 million to Patrick Omameh, $6.9 million to Jonathan Stewart and trading for Alec Ogletree. By 2020, he already admitted he made a mistake trying to win while rebuilding, which never made sense in the first place. The plan failed miserably, and the Giants are still paying for it.
5 Pat Shurmur, Shurmur wasn’t the right guy to coach the Giants. In fact, he was very much the wrong guy — a retread hire who failed in Cleveland (9-23 in two seasons) and, sure enough, failed with the Giants. Shurmur went 5-11 in 2018 (including a 4-4 finish that must’ve wowed Gettleman) and 4-12 in 2019. And then he got fired. He never should’ve been hired in the first place. That was evident during his 1-7 start in 2018 and 2-11 start in 2019.
6 Cape Cod, - (At 2019 NFL Combine) “I told you, and I’m very serious about what I said: I would love to drop a franchise quarterback in this place, and then watch him from Cape Cod [in retirement] and enjoy the hell out of it, OK? That’s a gift. That’s what I’d like to do for the New York Giants.”
He played well in the first four games this year (four touchdowns, one pick, 98.3 rating). But the Giants are now 1-5, and questions still linger about his long-term viability as the starter.
7 Rome wasn’t built in a day, darling, It’s 2021 and the Giants’ pass rush has never been worse. Gettleman opted not to invest significant assets in bringing in upgrades at edge rusher over four offseasons, instead trying to find productive pass rushers in the middle rounds of the draft and in the bargain bin in free agency. The latter method worked once (Markus Golden had 10 sacks in 2019) but otherwise, it has been a failure. So, sure, Rome wasn’t built in a day. But the Giants pass rush still hasn’t been built after four years.
8 kicking the can, - (December 2019) “Whatever amount of money we end up having, you have to put $20 million and put it to the side, put it in a savings account ,because you want to be in a position in-season to do extensions. If an attractive player is there, you want to have the cap space to make the decision, instead of saying ‘We can’t afford this guy, we can’t afford that guy.’ So, you take $20 million aside.”
The Giants went on such a spending spree this and last offseason that in order to even be cap compliant at the start of the season they had to restructure multiple contracts to ... kick the can down the road. This year alone, they’ve restructured the contracts for James Bradberry (twice), Blake Martinez, Logan Ryan and Sterling Shepard in order to create more salary cap space for the present, while dipping into future flexibility.
And it’s not as if Gettleman was never doing that before, either, like he implied. The Giants had restructured contracts for Nate Solder and Kevin Zeitler in past years, both decisions which eventually came back to bite them in 2021.
9 The Big Picture, “I’ve been hired to win, and the only promise I can make is I’m going to do everything in my power to lead this organization back to where it belongs. That’s my goal. That’s my intention. It’s going to get done.”
It didn’t get done
DG you imgrate!!!!!
The Giants don’t have a strong running game, They aren’t stopping the run that well and the are awful at rushing the passer.
He made all these promises and delivered on none of them.
My guess, not what I want, but my guess is he retires or is fired, Mara promotes from within, probably Abrams, and everyone, Judge, Jones… has to prove themselves in 2022
This team is a basement dweller and needs to improve just to get up to middle of the road.
OLine and Edge/LB'ers.
We have shopped at Kmart for the OLine while spending Vera Wang money on the products.
Edge/LB'ers we keep looking for thee hidden gem, the overlooked star and then mixing those pieces with as many 4th-7th rd draft picks as we can find. It has led us nowhere.
SB was a killer pick- in the negative. The tease of his rookie year led the Giants to believe that Eli was holding the team back and all they needed was a new young QB to pair with SB. The fact is Eli was already done when you snagged SB, the Oline was what was holding the whole offense back...
DG is nothing more and nothing less than a complete disaster of a GM!
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
An aged RB whose next best alternative was retiring on his couch. The price tag, while ridiculous, wasn't actually the worst part of this signing. It was the player.
Good thing Getts got him on like the first day of free agency too. Watch a catch...
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other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
oh I remember the defenders. There were quite a few of them.
The worst part about it is he clearly knew he was going to draft Barkley too. Which not everyone who criticized it at the time it happened even knew
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other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
oh I remember the defenders. There were quite a few of them.
Oh yes...I called this silly deal out immediately and argued with plenty of them. I will find a thread in the archives.
He actually gave Kareem Martin a $21M contract 😂
Here’s a summary
It has 9 points
1 He talked about Big Men, Hog Mollies, Gettleman never even came close to fixing the line, for a variety of reasons. From 2018-20, the Giants finished 25th, 16th, and 32nd in Pro Football Focus’ pass blocking ratings and 16th, 22nd, and 23rd in run blocking. This season, they are 31st in pass blocking and 26th in run blocking. In 2020, the Giants allowed 50 sacks, the second-most in the NFL
2 Saquon, It was a predictive moment: An older GM, stuck in his ways, out-of-touch with modern NFL decision-making. The analytics community has mocked Gettleman incessantly since that moment (they’re not alone), and it’s one he’ll likely never live down — especially since the criticism proved true. Using premium assets on a running back — especially the No. 2 pick — is not the smartest way to do business in the modern NFL.
3 Beckham, Well, as it turned out, Gettleman did sign Beckham and then traded him. The Giants spent $21.4 million on Beckham for one season, 2018, when he had a so-so year — 1,052 yards and six touchdowns in 12 games. Plus, Gettleman didn’t fully shop Beckham around the league — which shocked at least one interested team, the 49ers — before trading him to the Browns. He didn’t even give the 49ers a chance to exceed the Browns’ offer — malpractice by Gettleman.
4 Rebuilding while winning, The Giants organization’s failure to recognize that Manning had already passed his expiration date as a viable starting quarterback led to a lot of the mistakes that were made in 2018, when Gettleman went on a spending spreem handing $62 million to Nate Solder, $21 million to Kareem Martin, $15 million to Patrick Omameh, $6.9 million to Jonathan Stewart and trading for Alec Ogletree. By 2020, he already admitted he made a mistake trying to win while rebuilding, which never made sense in the first place. The plan failed miserably, and the Giants are still paying for it.
5 Pat Shurmur, Shurmur wasn’t the right guy to coach the Giants. In fact, he was very much the wrong guy — a retread hire who failed in Cleveland (9-23 in two seasons) and, sure enough, failed with the Giants. Shurmur went 5-11 in 2018 (including a 4-4 finish that must’ve wowed Gettleman) and 4-12 in 2019. And then he got fired. He never should’ve been hired in the first place. That was evident during his 1-7 start in 2018 and 2-11 start in 2019.
6 Cape Cod, - (At 2019 NFL Combine) “I told you, and I’m very serious about what I said: I would love to drop a franchise quarterback in this place, and then watch him from Cape Cod [in retirement] and enjoy the hell out of it, OK? That’s a gift. That’s what I’d like to do for the New York Giants.”
He played well in the first four games this year (four touchdowns, one pick, 98.3 rating). But the Giants are now 1-5, and questions still linger about his long-term viability as the starter.
7 Rome wasn’t built in a day, darling, It’s 2021 and the Giants’ pass rush has never been worse. Gettleman opted not to invest significant assets in bringing in upgrades at edge rusher over four offseasons, instead trying to find productive pass rushers in the middle rounds of the draft and in the bargain bin in free agency. The latter method worked once (Markus Golden had 10 sacks in 2019) but otherwise, it has been a failure. So, sure, Rome wasn’t built in a day. But the Giants pass rush still hasn’t been built after four years.
8 kicking the can, - (December 2019) “Whatever amount of money we end up having, you have to put $20 million and put it to the side, put it in a savings account ,because you want to be in a position in-season to do extensions. If an attractive player is there, you want to have the cap space to make the decision, instead of saying ‘We can’t afford this guy, we can’t afford that guy.’ So, you take $20 million aside.”
The Giants went on such a spending spree this and last offseason that in order to even be cap compliant at the start of the season they had to restructure multiple contracts to ... kick the can down the road. This year alone, they’ve restructured the contracts for James Bradberry (twice), Blake Martinez, Logan Ryan and Sterling Shepard in order to create more salary cap space for the present, while dipping into future flexibility.
And it’s not as if Gettleman was never doing that before, either, like he implied. The Giants had restructured contracts for Nate Solder and Kevin Zeitler in past years, both decisions which eventually came back to bite them in 2021.
9 The Big Picture, “I’ve been hired to win, and the only promise I can make is I’m going to do everything in my power to lead this organization back to where it belongs. That’s my goal. That’s my intention. It’s going to get done.”
It didn’t get done
Mike, thanks for posting that! Couldn't access the article.
Why is he still in the building?
$15 million for Patrick Omameh has to be worse. He was awful for the Giants and has been released by five NFL teams since leaving New York, the Saints released him twice. He's barely played a game since moving on from us.
Yeah, as bad as the Kareem Martin signing was, this was worse. Again, I could see taking a flyer but $15M?
I enjoy voicing my opinion and thinking I could do a better job from my couch than the people who run the Giants. I'll be the first to admit my "Evaluations' are based on just watching games on TV and I'm nothing more than a loudmouth fan. But if there's one position anyone can evaluate even from just watching TV it's a really good RB who is out of gas.
Jonathan Stewart was a really good back but he was completely done when Gettleman gave him a 7 million dollar contract, over 3 million guaranteed. He was coming off by far his worst year and had been beat up for 9 NFL seasons. He had 1699 carries for the Panthers and 6 for the Giants. 6! He was paid over a half million dollars a carry by the idiot that's still the Giants GM 4 years later.
Giants have won 19 games since JPP was traded. JPP had 30.5 sacks in Tampa during 2018-2020 seasons and won a SB ring last year. Who do you think won this one guys?
When the GM stands at the podium for his opening press conference and declares his intent to fix the offensive line, expands upon his belief that "hawg mawllies" are the key to success, details his plan for success centering around running the ball, stopping the run, and rushing the passer...
At what point do you actually realize that he's a snake oil salesman who has no idea what he's doing?
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other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
The worst part about it is he clearly knew he was going to draft Barkley too. Which not everyone who criticized it at the time it happened even knew
One of Resume Dave's favorite roster-building techniques is to use cap space to have a useless veteran player act as a de facto position coach when he could actually just hire a coach for that exact role and not have it count against the cap.
That one is a knock against KA too. For some years, I wanted to believe that it was a favor to agents, but I have yet to see those favors cashed in.
So do the Giants.
Lol.
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other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
The worst part about it is he clearly knew he was going to draft Barkley too. Which not everyone who criticized it at the time it happened even knew
One of Resume Dave's favorite roster-building techniques is to use cap space to have a useless veteran player act as a de facto position coach when he could actually just hire a coach for that exact role and not have it count against the cap.
That one is a knock against KA too. For some years, I wanted to believe that it was a favor to agents, but I have yet to see those favors cashed in.
I understand having a "roleplayer", ie someone off the bench who provides more leadership than production, in the NBA, NHL, and MLB. But the only room for a "roleplayer" on an NFL team is the backup QB
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other moves have hurt more, but this may have been the most comical of them all.
Early litmus test on judgment with the GM, and those at BBI defended the move.
oh I remember the defenders. There were quite a few of them.
My favorite was the guy who repeatedly tossed the "You know nothing about football" insult towards anyone who criticized the move, in the grounds that Stewart was an outstanding influence in the locker room.
His knowledge of personnel in the National Football League is second to none. I think he has excellent evaluation skills and he's a great communicator. He has strong leadership qualities.
Given the state of our team at the moment, and all the difficult decisions we have facing us, we believed it was important to bring in someone with experience as a general manager. Someone with a proven track record....
After conducting these interviews, and doing our research, and much discussion with myself, Steve Tisch and Ernie Accorsi, we had a conviction that Dave was the right man for the job.
I want to acknowledge and thank Ernie for his help and guidance throughout this process. And now it is my great pleasure to introduce the next general manager of the New York Giants - Dave Gettleman.
"...the right man for the job..."
Jonathan Stewart was a really good back but he was completely done when Gettleman gave him a 7 million dollar contract, over 3 million guaranteed. He was coming off by far his worst year and had been beat up for 9 NFL seasons. He had 1699 carries for the Panthers and 6 for the Giants. 6! He was paid over a half million dollars a carry by the idiot that's still the Giants GM 4 years later.
And Gettleman emphatically declared that Stewart hadn't lost anything. Emphatically!!
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565866
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582140&show_all=1
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin'.
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565866
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582140&show_all=1
I like this thread better because it has that Rory guy who was blasting Stewart critics and telling them they know nothing about football:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571541
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565866
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582140&show_all=1
The best part of these is seeing our Fat friend from Charlotte doing his thing... ;)
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I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin'.
He said that to Jones right? He is so a dinosaur. Dude, it isn't the 1960s.
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from signing to playing to retirement...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565866
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582140&show_all=1
The best part of these is seeing our Fat friend from Charlotte doing his thing... ;)
These threads certainly didn't age well, especially by those who shall not be named. They left under the guise of "the level of discourse on BBI is no longer acceptable."
And for Jonathan Stewart no less…comical
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I'm sick of talking about DG. He's been a disaster & I'm confident he's going to be given the boot before too long. I'd fire him tonight, but whatever.
He's set this franchise back years. I remember when you couldn't mention the man who followed Parcells on this forum. Well, DG made that man look good!
Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin'.
He said that to Jones right? He is so a dinosaur. Dude, it isn't the 1960s.
You would hear a record scratch in any other office, in any other industry, if a male senior executive said that to a woman, regardless of her role.
Not only is DG incompetent, he's an outdated asshole.
Sadly, I think for some of those who defend him, that's their favorite part about him.
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from signing to playing to retirement...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=565866
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571238
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582140&show_all=1
I like this thread better because it has that Rory guy who was blasting Stewart critics and telling them they know nothing about football:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=571541
Rory is great. He actually questions other people's intelligence no matter how frequently his lack thereof is exposed. He's like the M. Night Shyamalan of BBI.
Several times I ripped him for it. Ripped him from the beginning with his early moves and his arrogance.
He should've started building that OLINE the minute he drafted Barkley or before with young guys and even this year a complete lack of recognition juts like early on of his team's talent.
I gave him kudos though for this summer admitting his blunder that he tried to do both. His arrogance form the beginning gave signs of that.
But the final nail, which should be the final nail, is that his defense has crumbled.
But then drafts a boom or bust RB who hates contact with the 2nd pick.
Many more than them.
Giants have won 19 games since JPP was traded. JPP had 30.5 sacks in Tampa during 2018-2020 seasons and won a SB ring last year. Who do you think won this one guys?
Don't even bother asking that here.. Half of the people think he was part of the problem because he took the initiative to display displeasure at the idiotic management.. Not realizing that 2 way DEs are hard to find and its much smarter to just ignore his nonsense and fix the real problems rather than fixing the locker room..
Fix real problems and the locker room is never going to be a problem.. its very simple concept..