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TNF: Broncos @ Browns.

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/21/2021 8:11 pm
Bridgewater vs. Keenum! SO EXCITING! Haha.

I'm taking the Browns because it is in Cleveland, but man...this is a weak TNF game.

Next Thursday night...Packers @ Cards. Now that's a damn good game.
Cleveland’s 3rd string RB is better than any of ours.  
BlueHurricane : 10/21/2021 8:28 pm : link
Nice job Gettleman
Broncos  
bubba0825 : 10/21/2021 8:28 pm : link
Look ready to play, we’ll maybe not today but they’ll be ready soon
Mayfield has a fracture  
Producer : 10/21/2021 8:30 pm : link
in his shoulder in addition to the tear. No way he's playing again this season, right?
Somebody let the dawgs out  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/21/2021 8:30 pm : link
Very impressive drive.
No tackles...  
bw in dc : 10/21/2021 8:31 pm : link
no running backs, no QB...no problem.
Cleveland...  
bw in dc : 10/21/2021 8:31 pm : link
had some good bulletin board material for this game with the trash Von Miller was talking...
Wanna watch how much a good play caller can change an offense?  
Sy'56 : 10/21/2021 8:34 pm : link
Watch CLE
RE: Mayfield has a fracture  
eric2425ny : 10/21/2021 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15424387 Producer said:
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in his shoulder in addition to the tear. No way he's playing again this season, right?


They’re better off with Keenum. Mayfield sucks.
RE: RE: Mayfield has a fracture  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/21/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15424392 eric2425ny said:
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in his shoulder in addition to the tear. No way he's playing again this season, right?

I don’t think he sucks but he’s a guy I would be very hesitant giving a second contract to.



They’re better off with Keenum. Mayfield sucks.
RE: RE: Mayfield has a fracture  
bubba0825 : 10/21/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15424392 eric2425ny said:
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in his shoulder in addition to the tear. No way he's playing again this season, right?



They’re better off with Keenum. Mayfield sucks.


I wouldn’t say he sucks, but he’s far from what you need to win a sb, there running game takes a lot of heat off of him
this looks like a typical Thursday night game....  
BillKo : 10/21/2021 8:49 pm : link
....mid way thru the season.

One team is just not physically ready or able to play (Broncos).

Cleveland being home has a big advantage w no travel and is just bullying them early.

See if this trend changes.
RE: Wanna watch how much a good play caller can change an offense?  
jnoble : 10/21/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15424391 Sy'56 said:
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Watch CLE


If only Barkley or Booker had holes to run open like that...
RE: Wanna watch how much a good play caller can change an offense?  
BillKo : 10/21/2021 9:01 pm : link
In comment 15424391 Sy'56 said:
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Watch CLE
screen passes and runs?

It's execution.
this broncos team stinks  
Mook80 : 10/21/2021 9:01 pm : link
and came here week 1 and absolutely whipped the giants
RE: Wanna watch how much a good play caller can change an offense?  
EricJ : 10/21/2021 9:04 pm : link
In comment 15424391 Sy'56 said:
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Watch CLE


wanna watch how much a good offensive line changes things for an offense?

Watch Cleveland gain 80 yards on the ground in the 1st quarter with the 3rd and 4th RB.
Beckham has just been awful in CLE  
Producer : 10/21/2021 9:04 pm : link
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Troy Aikman  
Ben in Tampa : 10/21/2021 9:06 pm : link
talking about the Dallas Cowboys and how good their hypothetical secondary would be during an AFC matchup between Denver and Cleveland

🙄
This isn’t play calling  
Tuckrule : 10/21/2021 9:07 pm : link
It’s an offensive line that can protect and open up holes. They are only missing Conklin and the line hasn’t missed a beat. They are physical and make few mistakes. Also helps to have lineman who can get out on screens and actually block
Cleveland  
AcidTest : 10/21/2021 9:12 pm : link
has drafted better than the Giants. The Browns used to be a joke. But they now have a competent FO. We are what they used to be, a perennial loser that everyone wants to play.
Where  
Giants73 : 10/21/2021 9:16 pm : link
Chubb yes, Myles Garret was a no brained and Giants have not been in a position to draft any stud edges outside of TJ Watt. Thomas > Jedric . Besides that you are looking at better coaching
Odell being odell  
Giants73 : 10/21/2021 9:18 pm : link
Cause a penalty to get your team to throw
Browns and Stefanski  
The Dude : 10/21/2021 9:18 pm : link
Are what the giants strive to be. Good Oline( with injuries), good RBs ( they’re staring an undrafted FA and a 6th round pick tonight), ball control, stout enough D.
RE: this broncos team stinks  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/21/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15424407 Mook80 said:
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and came here week 1 and absolutely whipped the giants


The more I watch the Broncos, the more shocking it is that a almost entirely healthy Giants team didn't crush them.


OBJs career is over...  
EricJ : 10/21/2021 9:27 pm : link
every time I watch him, he looks like he may not even be a starter anymore. Tonight, a dropped easy pass for a first down. Then, he trips over himself and has the ball hit him.
The  
AcidTest : 10/21/2021 9:29 pm : link
Browns aren't winning anything with Keenum, but they will at least be competitive and in most games. Also tired of the conclusion that injuries excuse losing. We've lost for years. Baltimore is just as injury riddled and they still win.
RE: The  
Tuckrule : 10/21/2021 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15424433 AcidTest said:
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Browns aren't winning anything with Keenum, but they will at least be competitive and in most games. Also tired of the conclusion that injuries excuse losing. We've lost for years. Baltimore is just as injury riddled and they still win.


Who said they are winning the super bowl with keenum? Seems like a a random comment. They can get very far with keenum with a healthy team. They are built extremely well. One of the more balanced teams in the entire league
RE: The  
bw in dc : 10/21/2021 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15424433 AcidTest said:
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Browns aren't winning anything with Keenum, but they will at least be competitive and in most games. Also tired of the conclusion that injuries excuse losing. We've lost for years. Baltimore is just as injury riddled and they still win.


Yes, yes, yes and yes.
Wow  
mattlawson : 10/21/2021 9:37 pm : link
OBJ looked awful in there
Another obj drop  
Giants73 : 10/21/2021 9:38 pm : link
Another fake obj injury
RE: The  
joeinpa : 10/21/2021 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15424433 AcidTest said:
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Browns aren't winning anything with Keenum, but they will at least be competitive and in most games. Also tired of the conclusion that injuries excuse losing. We've lost for years. Baltimore is just as injury riddled and they still win.


Injuries might be a reason for a team to be non competitive. But I agree not an excuse.

Draft better. Have better players ready to step in
Nice  
AcidTest : 10/21/2021 10:04 pm : link
drive by Denver.
RE: Wow  
EricJ : 10/21/2021 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15424440 mattlawson said:
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OBJ looked awful in there


It's okay.. he is winning in Twitter
Is it me, or does Keemun consistently take very deep drops?  
81_Great_Dane : 10/21/2021 10:14 pm : link
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RE: Is it me, or does Keemun consistently take very deep drops?  
Producer : 10/21/2021 10:18 pm : link
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When he was with Shurmur he was great with deep ball accuracy.
Jedrick Wills  
Giants73 : 10/21/2021 10:19 pm : link
Is pretty bad tonight. This drive alone blown up for a TFL, and got Keenum blasted twice
I'm continuously amazed...  
bw in dc : 10/21/2021 11:16 pm : link
how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.
RE: I'm continuously amazed...  
broadbandz : 10/21/2021 11:28 pm : link
In comment 15424493 bw in dc said:
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how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.


how would we even know? Brightwell got almost zero touches last game. Judge isn't even playing young guys in blowout loses.
RE: I'm continuously amazed...  
HomerJones45 : 10/21/2021 11:33 pm : link
In comment 15424493 bw in dc said:
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how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.
Why be amazed? We suck at evaluating players-our own, other teams and college players.
RE: RE: I'm continuously amazed...  
kelsto811 : 10/22/2021 4:50 am : link
In comment 15424501 HomerJones45 said:
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how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.

Why be amazed? We suck at evaluating players-our own, other teams and college players.


The sad part is that the Giants spend more money than most teams on their scouting department. For example, they're one of only a handful who have a specialized team to run in house testing (psych evals, wonderlic, etc.) at the combine and college all star games.

While that likely benefited the Giants in the past, today most teams utilize external consulting/services for these things such as:

- HRT (Human Resources Tactics). HRT test popularity blew up after one company famously warned the Pats not to draft Aaron Hernandez after his test results came back, but the,Pats did anyway..and the rest is history. At least 1/2 of NFL teams use them and will literally take players who didn't get tested, off their board.

- Ryzer/TAPS test (test that measures mental intangibles related/important to football). The last 3 super bowl champions have used TAPS.

- BodyData + DXA (Dexalytics). This one is incredible. BodyData is a semi newer one. They will bring mobile stations to give DXA scans (scans use advanced xray tech to measure complete body composition aka they measure bone & muscle density..and get results in minutes). On top of that, ik BodyData and Dexalytics will be working together in at at least one all star game this year. Dexalytics compiles all of the body data (muscle, fat mass, nutrition, body composition, etc.) and then analyzes it using their algorithms in order to score/compare/grade current and incoming athletes at the same positions based on their results (how their bodies have grown/changed, muscle/fat mass needed to change positions, ideal body size vs current, potential to reach ideal size, what/where changes are needed, effectiveness of training + nutrition, etc.). The Pats signed DT Adam Butler as an undrafted FA (2017) using Dexalytics..and he ended up a 5 year starter for them. Prior to the 2017 draft, DXA scores ranked Butler above all of the pro DTs on their roster at the time.

When you dive in and find out a team like the Pats have had an UDFA make their roster something like 20 years in a row or that they have one of the best success rates with UDFA/late rounders, now you know why. Lot of newer ownership orgs like the Chargers are on the same level.

Unfortunately, the Giants are notoriously stubborn and love to be late or absent for "trendy" or "new age". They definitely tend to keep scouting related activities in house, so wouldn't be tbe least bit surprised to hear they haven't been using a lot of the services other teams use. At the very least, as of last year they don't use at least 1 of the 3 listed here (related in house services or lesser publicized companies are always a possibility though). Time to get with the times, Mara.
I wishful thought myself right out of $300 dollars  
rasbutant : 10/22/2021 8:13 am : link
Playing daily fantasy, i was tied for 1st with 14 other people. I have J Williams on my regular FF team. I thought I was safely in 1st place in the daily and didn't think Williams scoring would make a difference. So each play down by the endzone, I'm like please give it to Williams, please than woohoo Williams TD!! Check my DF again, and now instead of $340 i'm wining $47. Shit.
Coach Callahan  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/22/2021 9:02 am : link
getting a very good performance from another OL. Hopefully Coach Sale distinguishes himself as a guru as well.

Kelsto thanks for that information. Informative and I hope the Giants look into those type of services.
RE: I'm continuously amazed...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/22/2021 9:23 am : link
In comment 15424493 bw in dc said:
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how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.


To be fair, I'm not convinced the Giants really try. It's also the OL. We made RBs behind that OL. Derrick Ward and Jacobs each ran for 1K.

It's always been the OL. Fix the OL and you can make a run game.
Broncos  
John In CO : 10/22/2021 9:34 am : link
Woke up this morning to the local morning sports talk shows all calling for the heads of pretty much everyone involved with the Broncos. Gotta say, it is nice to hear some other teams fans feeling the same way that we do...although they did beat us so obviously they haven't stooped down to our level. It is kinda funny to think that a month ago that team was 3-0 and they were talking playoffs. Now everyone has gotta go:). Schedule has a lot to do with success in this league, and having the first 3 games vs the Giants, Jags and Jets was not really good for anyone, just served to create unrealistic expectations.
It's almost as if spending premium resources on an RB  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/22/2021 9:41 am : link
and patching up the line with JAGs instead of the other way around is a bad idea.

Hmmm, wish we have an FO that knows that.
I thought the Browns last drive was textbook  
Essex : 10/22/2021 9:56 am : link
in terms of execution (great blocking and runs) and planning in how you get the ball with 5 minutes to go and don't give it back
RE: It's almost as if spending premium resources on an RB  
UConn4523 : 10/22/2021 10:11 am : link
In comment 15424647 mikeinbloomfield said:
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and patching up the line with JAGs instead of the other way around is a bad idea.

Hmmm, wish we have an FO that knows that.


I think they do. Can't just look at the current regime though, we haven't been built that was in a decade - since then we've gotten OL wrong a lot (high picks and FA's) and all the JAG RB's have been terrible.

Picking Barkley isn't an example of not knowing the above, IMO.
RE: RE: I'm continuously amazed...  
Angel Eyes : 10/22/2021 10:45 am : link
In comment 15424626 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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how other teams find cheap RBs who can step in and be productive but we really can't.



To be fair, I'm not convinced the Giants really try. It's also the OL. We made RBs behind that OL. Derrick Ward and Jacobs each ran for 1K.

It's always been the OL. Fix the OL and you can make a run game.

Plus all three of our running backs that year were not high-round picks. Jacobs was 4th round, Ward and Bradshaw were both 7th rounders.
Getts should just bring back Jonathan Stewart  
Jimmy Googs : 10/22/2021 10:45 am : link
in a player/Asst RB coach type role...
RE: RE: It's almost as if spending premium resources on an RB  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/22/2021 11:03 am : link
In comment 15424689 UConn4523 said:
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and patching up the line with JAGs instead of the other way around is a bad idea.

Hmmm, wish we have an FO that knows that.



I think they do. Can't just look at the current regime though, we haven't been built that was in a decade - since then we've gotten OL wrong a lot (high picks and FA's) and all the JAG RB's have been terrible.

Picking Barkley isn't an example of not knowing the above, IMO.


In addition to the idea that you never pick an RB that high, a lot of people made the point that you also don't take an RB when your OL is a mess. Gettleman himself he likes "hog mollies" but he couldn't resist the shiny object.

If this FO took seriously building out from the lines a trade down to get Nelson was the right move. Heck, picking Nelson at 2 would have at minimum got them more playing time for the pick than the player they took. Trading down even further and taking multiple OL would have been even better.
I don't really care to rehash 2018  
UConn4523 : 10/22/2021 11:05 am : link
my point is that prior to 2018 we tried for 7/8 years to put JAG RB's in and it got us nowhere. We also invested in so many bad OL via the draft or FA. Just a perfect storm of suck.
RE: Broncos  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/22/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15424639 John In CO said:
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Woke up this morning to the local morning sports talk shows all calling for the heads of pretty much everyone involved with the Broncos. Gotta say, it is nice to hear some other teams fans feeling the same way that we do...although they did beat us so obviously they haven't stooped down to our level. It is kinda funny to think that a month ago that team was 3-0 and they were talking playoffs. Now everyone has gotta go:). Schedule has a lot to do with success in this league, and having the first 3 games vs the Giants, Jags and Jets was not really good for anyone, just served to create unrealistic expectations.


Agreed. See our defense last year as an example.
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