Not much detail yet. A repeat of what happened to Brandon Lee would seem the most likely. Otherwise either the gun blew apart or Baldwin did something really really reckless and stupid.
Not much detail yet. A repeat of what happened to Brandon Lee would seem the most likely. Otherwise either the gun blew apart or Baldwin did something really really reckless and stupid.
Guns are dangerous things.
Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
I’m not accusing him, I just laid out the possibilities. And an actor doing something stupid absolutely can and has been a cause of death on set. Actor Jon-Erik Hexum killed himself by handling a prop gun stupidly.
I thought pretty much every movie and tv used cgi gunfire these days.
Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
I’m not accusing him, I just laid out the possibilities. And an actor doing something stupid absolutely can and has been a cause of death on set. Actor Jon-Erik Hexum killed himself by handling a prop gun stupidly.
What you're suggesting is basically impossible. For Baldwin to be responsible
he was either handed a gun with a live round, and he knew it and behaved recklessly, or he walked up to the DP and director and fired blanks at them with the gun inches from their bodies, which is insane. Most Likely a mistake was made with the firearm before it was handed to Baldwin, and either a live round was placed in the gun or lodged in the chamber, or debris was in the chamber and ejected when the blank was fired. There are protocols to prevent this, which is why it hasn't happened in 30 years.
you wonder if the camera was still rolling when this went down.
As I understand it, the filmmakers on The Crow destroyed the footage of the accident that killed Brandon Lee. Which you can understand, certainly in hindsight. If it had ever been developed, you just know it would've found its way onto LiveLeak years ago. Even the Bud Dwyer live TV suicide is out there if you know where to look.
You don't want this shit to ever see the light of day, but you also hope if there's anything to be learned from it, the right people do get a look at it.
The article it sounds like it happened in the middle of a scene, so not a case of Baldwin messing around. I’m sure everyone will be investigated to assess who had access to the gun before the fatal incident
comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
Baldwin did not kill anyone. A piece of equipment malfunctioned either by mistake, catastrophic failure or by inappropriate preparation by the individual in charge of the prop. Baldwin had no intention of harm. No one believes he had intent. He was handed a tool and it malfunctioned.
He has turned into a vile curmudgeon in recent years but I doubt he had a minute of sleep last night.
comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
Right, that explains all those daily accidental shootings on movie and TV sets.
never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
from a live bullet or from the impact of a blank or dummy bullet?
So preventable and tragic, I'd be stuck on anger in the 5 stages of grief for a long time if the deceased was someone I cared about.
And I'd want answers - there are supposed to be very stringent protocols in place for using firearms on entertainment industry sets. Normally I'm not a bloodthirsty blame zealot, in this case I would be. Someone fucked up and it cost a life.
from a live bullet or from the impact of a blank or dummy bullet?
So preventable and tragic, I'd be stuck on anger in the 5 stages of grief for a long time if the deceased was someone I cared about.
And I'd want answers - there are supposed to be very stringent protocols in place for using firearms on entertainment industry sets. Normally I'm not a bloodthirsty blame zealot, in this case I would be. Someone fucked up and it cost a life.
Investigation is not complete. With Brandon Lee, I believe a live round got stuck in the firearm, and became dislodged when a blank was fired
comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
Not really. I just pointed out that Hollywood should not be using these deadly weapons as props/toys. I don’t think it was a particularly controversial statement. I have trained extensively with blank and live ammunition. I do know what I’m talking about. If people want to argue or quibble on them, it’s on them. It’s a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. I don’t think it’s “looking for an argument” to have that opinion
Because it would offend him to be called buttercup so what more devastating putdown could there be?
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
RE: Guy who's offended by Hollywood lectures calls people buttercup
Because it would offend him to be called buttercup so what more devastating putdown could there be?
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
Sorry you don’t understand the hypocrisy with Hollywood. It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
RE: RE: Guy who's offended by Hollywood lectures calls people buttercup
Because it would offend him to be called buttercup so what more devastating putdown could there be?
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
Sorry you don’t understand the hypocrisy with Hollywood. It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
You think the problem is I don't understand the nuance of your point? hahahahahahahahaha ok, buttercup.
never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
Your comment was dumb as fuck.
It's a movie set. What, you think guns shouldn't be allowed in movies? Your OP was sanctimonious bullshit drivel, with the sole purpose of getting in a dig at "Hollywood".
Your follow-up with "offended" and "buttercup" just drives it home.
Btw, hope I'm not coming off as a "snowflake" by telling you how mind numbingly stupid your initial comment was.
never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
Your comment was dumb as fuck.
It's a movie set. What, you think guns shouldn't be allowed in movies? Your OP was sanctimonious bullshit drivel, with the sole purpose of getting in a dig at "Hollywood".
Your follow-up with "offended" and "buttercup" just drives it home.
Btw, hope I'm not coming off as a "snowflake" by telling you how mind numbingly stupid your initial comment was.
No, Hollywood should not be using deadly weapons that they obviously don’t know how to use properly
Point a weapon, fake or real, unless you intend to inflict bodily harm, or death. And I own plenty.
I could just as soon kill you with a #2 Pencil.
This is true, very good advice, but in this case, maybe they were filming, and the script called for Baldwin to point the gun towards the camera?
Producer is right, this is 100% on the props crew for not properly disengaging the weapon. What a horrible tragedy. I'm really surprised they even use real guns. With all of the money tied up in making a major studio film, why not have a gun that cannot take real ammo?
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never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
I completely agree. The fact that a studio that spends millions making, and insuring, a major production, and they can't commission a gun manufacturer to produce a gun that only uses blanks? Poundwise and penny foolish.
But the kind that fires blanks, are real guns with blank ammo. A blank is a wad of sstuffing with a charge. On all film sets where prop guns are used there is an expert, usually an armorer, or a prop master in charge of the prop guns.
Blanks are used, not because it is cheaper, but because it looks better, more realistic.
The DP and director were likely hit during filming, or rehearsal, in a scene where the gun was pointed in the direction of the camera. There is no chance that Baldwin, the actor, did anything illegal or irresponsible with a prop gun on set, no matter what you think of him politically.
He is also a producer on the film, so if the film cur any corners on gun safety, intentional or unintentional, Baldwin the producer could be on the hook for that, more likely civil exposure than criminal.
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Guns are dangerous things.
#TimesUp
Guns are dangerous things.
Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
I’m not accusing him, I just laid out the possibilities. And an actor doing something stupid absolutely can and has been a cause of death on set. Actor Jon-Erik Hexum killed himself by handling a prop gun stupidly.
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Actors who are handed prop guns are never doing anything reckless and stupid. Prop guns are the responsibility of the prop weapons expert. When a prop gun is handed to an actor it is expected to contain blanks. In the case of Brandon Lee on the Crow set authorities concluded that a lead tip had been lodged in the gun's chamber from a previous usage of the gun with live ammo.
It is foolish to even speculate Baldwin did something stupid. He's an actor not a prop master.
I’m not accusing him, I just laid out the possibilities. And an actor doing something stupid absolutely can and has been a cause of death on set. Actor Jon-Erik Hexum killed himself by handling a prop gun stupidly.
What you're suggesting is basically impossible. For Baldwin to be responsible
he was either handed a gun with a live round, and he knew it and behaved recklessly, or he walked up to the DP and director and fired blanks at them with the gun inches from their bodies, which is insane. Most Likely a mistake was made with the firearm before it was handed to Baldwin, and either a live round was placed in the gun or lodged in the chamber, or debris was in the chamber and ejected when the blank was fired. There are protocols to prevent this, which is why it hasn't happened in 30 years.
I could just as soon kill you with a #2 Pencil.
I could just as soon kill you with a #2 Pencil.
You could kill me just as easily with a #2 pencil? Why bother owning a gun then?
I could just as soon kill you with a #2 Pencil.
Are you John Wick?
It would be much more expensive to CGI guns.
As I understand it, the filmmakers on The Crow destroyed the footage of the accident that killed Brandon Lee. Which you can understand, certainly in hindsight. If it had ever been developed, you just know it would've found its way onto LiveLeak years ago. Even the Bud Dwyer live TV suicide is out there if you know where to look.
You don't want this shit to ever see the light of day, but you also hope if there's anything to be learned from it, the right people do get a look at it.
I hope he wasn't screwing around because that is something he is going to have to live with for the rest of his life.
Even if he wasn't fooling around this is going to be a burden he will carry till death.
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Director of photography……also shot the director!
#TimesUp
Making a joke/making it political less than 24 hours after someone loses their life. Stay classy, Adam
LOL even this is political apparently.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
He has turned into a vile curmudgeon in recent years but I doubt he had a minute of sleep last night.
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comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
Right, that explains all those daily accidental shootings on movie and TV sets.
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never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
It is rather selfish and extremely disrespectful to all involved.
I can't imagine the pain all involved especially Alec are feeling right now.
I incredulous that this could happen. How could a prop gun have live ammunition in it.
This is an unbelievably difficult tragedy for all involved
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never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
So preventable and tragic, I'd be stuck on anger in the 5 stages of grief for a long time if the deceased was someone I cared about.
And I'd want answers - there are supposed to be very stringent protocols in place for using firearms on entertainment industry sets. Normally I'm not a bloodthirsty blame zealot, in this case I would be. Someone fucked up and it cost a life.
So preventable and tragic, I'd be stuck on anger in the 5 stages of grief for a long time if the deceased was someone I cared about.
And I'd want answers - there are supposed to be very stringent protocols in place for using firearms on entertainment industry sets. Normally I'm not a bloodthirsty blame zealot, in this case I would be. Someone fucked up and it cost a life.
Investigation is not complete. With Brandon Lee, I believe a live round got stuck in the firearm, and became dislodged when a blank was fired
Agreed 100%
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comments on here? This wasn't self defense, this was a movie where pointing a gun at someone on set happens thousands of times per year. Someone didn't do their job properly is what it sounds like.
It’s basic firearm usage. Use it as a toy or a prop, crap like this happens
Alrighty.
Sorry to offend you, buttercup
Not really. I just pointed out that Hollywood should not be using these deadly weapons as props/toys. I don’t think it was a particularly controversial statement. I have trained extensively with blank and live ammunition. I do know what I’m talking about. If people want to argue or quibble on them, it’s on them. It’s a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. I don’t think it’s “looking for an argument” to have that opinion
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
Sorry you don’t understand the hypocrisy with Hollywood. It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
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Because it would offend him to be called buttercup so what more devastating putdown could there be?
Imagine reading a story about a tragic death on a movie set and think, "YES! This is where I'll make my incredibly clever point that Hollywood should not lecture me about guns! It's time!"
The internet is such a profoundly dumb place most of the time.
Sorry you don’t understand the hypocrisy with Hollywood. It’s not a very difficult concept to understand.
You think the problem is I don't understand the nuance of your point? hahahahahahahahaha ok, buttercup.
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never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
It's a movie set. What, you think guns shouldn't be allowed in movies? Your OP was sanctimonious bullshit drivel, with the sole purpose of getting in a dig at "Hollywood".
Your follow-up with "offended" and "buttercup" just drives it home.
Btw, hope I'm not coming off as a "snowflake" by telling you how mind numbingly stupid your initial comment was.
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In comment 15424549 KDavies said:
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never point a gun at someone you don’t intend to kill. But please Hollywood. Continue to lecture the rest of us about the proper use of firearms.
LOL even this is political apparently.
Why are these comments even necessary? Why does everything have to resort to these type of snarky comments? Someone just died due to a horrible accident? We can’t even mourn the loss of life anymore without people interjecting shitty comments? That’s what the anonymity of the internet affords people I guess
Why are you easily offended? Sorry to hurt your delicate sensibilities, buttercup. I hardly think it’s controversial to point out that guns shouldn’t be used as toys or props, and especially by an industry where a large number of them think they can lecture everyone else. I completely agree it is a tragic loss of life and should have never happened. But, again that’s why firearms should be taken a little more seriously and not used by clowns to make a buck
Your comment was dumb as fuck.
It's a movie set. What, you think guns shouldn't be allowed in movies? Your OP was sanctimonious bullshit drivel, with the sole purpose of getting in a dig at "Hollywood".
Your follow-up with "offended" and "buttercup" just drives it home.
Btw, hope I'm not coming off as a "snowflake" by telling you how mind numbingly stupid your initial comment was.
No, Hollywood should not be using deadly weapons that they obviously don’t know how to use properly
I could just as soon kill you with a #2 Pencil.
This is true, very good advice, but in this case, maybe they were filming, and the script called for Baldwin to point the gun towards the camera?
Producer is right, this is 100% on the props crew for not properly disengaging the weapon. What a horrible tragedy. I'm really surprised they even use real guns. With all of the money tied up in making a major studio film, why not have a gun that cannot take real ammo?
No, Hollywood should not be using deadly weapons that they obviously don’t know how to use properly
Yeah! And they should stop using real cars and trucks, too.
I completely agree. The fact that a studio that spends millions making, and insuring, a major production, and they can't commission a gun manufacturer to produce a gun that only uses blanks? Poundwise and penny foolish.
Blanks are used, not because it is cheaper, but because it looks better, more realistic.
The DP and director were likely hit during filming, or rehearsal, in a scene where the gun was pointed in the direction of the camera. There is no chance that Baldwin, the actor, did anything illegal or irresponsible with a prop gun on set, no matter what you think of him politically.
He is also a producer on the film, so if the film cur any corners on gun safety, intentional or unintentional, Baldwin the producer could be on the hook for that, more likely civil exposure than criminal.