Free Agents Signed by Giants from Other Teams (2018-2021)

Through free agency is a very bad idea. What a list.

the Giants turn there play around and play just well enough down the stretch that everyone gets another year, they should take away DG's ability to sign players to long-term deals and limit him to finding one year guys.

maybe the better free agents prefer to sign with contending/better teams.

People sound like DG is this rouge nut signing people on his own.

Still confused how bad the corners are playing.....still feel coaches are not putting them in best position to succeed.

. Pretty nice of him!

I remember when we were actually good at it. Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Michael Boley, Chris Canty, Kevin Boothe. How are we so bad at it now???

toward the top but the vast majority of that list is less then $10M. That’s really not that much relatively speaking. You could do a list of shitty signings for every team. I’m not saying we are doing well, but this is not a great way of showing how bad we’ve done.

In comment 15424703 George from PA said:

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People sound like DG is this rouge nut signing people on his own.

Nah, I think it's more of a "buck stops here" type of argument. The GM is ultimately responsible for this area of the business and this area of the business is a catastrophe.

That list is fucking absurd.

other than Blake Martinez, there's not a SINGLE impact player on the entire list.

Might as well throw money into the void.

I mean - has already had a positive contribution to the franchise.

Sure, there's plenty of potential at the top of this list, but it's all unrealized so far.

Only Bradberry and maybe Martinez have worked out (pending injury). The rest are bad signings. Just awful

In comment 15424734 The Jake said:

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other than Blake Martinez, there's not a SINGLE impact player on the entire list. Might as well throw money into the void.

Logan Ryan and James Bradberry both were impact players. They are playing like shit now but that doesn’t erase what they’ve done. And yes, most are dreck, but these small contracts are not the big reason we suck. There’s two backup quarterbacks on there. We expect them to be impact players?

Couple major duds, but some good ones as well...there should be more mid-level cost o-lineman on the list.

2021 Kenny Golladay $72,000,000 = We shall see (i like the signing, but thought those dollars should have gone elsewhere)
2018 Nate Solder $62,000,000 = Really bad (Liked the player, but didn't think he was worth the money he would get, and then they gave him more than I thought he would get!)
2020 James Bradberry $43,500,000 = Good (Loved the signing)
2021 Adoree' Jackson $39,000,000 = We shall see (like the signing, would have loved it but thought they could have gotten him for less...he was cut...but what do I know.)
2019 Golden Tate $37,500,000 = Really bad (I hated the signing at the time and still do)
2020 Blake Martinez $30,750,000 = Really Good (Wasn't a fan when the signing happened, but quickly became a fan of it once I saw him play)
2018 Kareem Martin $15,000,000 = He was fine, don't think he made the full 15M
2018 Patrick Omameh $15,000,000 = Really bad (i liked the signing at the time, he sucked though)
2021 Kyle Rudolph $12,000,000 = We shall see (like the player hate the contract, way overpaid in my opinion.)
2020 Logan Ryan $7,500,000 = Good
2020 Levine Toilolo $6,200,000 = Overpay for blocking TE
2021 Devontae Booker $5,500,000 = He's fine, was surprised by it, but it's not a terrible signing.
2018 Connor Barwin $5,000,000 = Bad (they really paid him this much?)
2020 Kyler Fackrell $4,600,000 = Good (should have re-signed him)
2018 Michael Thomas $4,000,000 = Good
2020 Cameron Fleming $3,438,000 = Meh
2019 Markus Golden $3,280,000 = Good, just didn't fit scheme, got a draft pick for him
2018 Cody Latimer $2,500,000 = Had his moments, not going to cry over 2.5M
2021 Ifeadi Odenigbo $2,500,000 = Bad (I was excited for the signing)
2021 John Ross $2,500,000 = We shall see, but for the cost seems to be good signing, I like the dart throw here.
2020 Colt McCoy $2,250,000 = Good, though wasn't my preferred choice.
2020 Nate Ebner $2,000,000 = Meh
2021 Ryquell Armstead $1,820,000 = Who
2020 Dion Lewis $1,550,000 = Meh (I didn't like the signing though)
2020 Austin Johnson $1,500,000 = Really Good for the money.
2020 Dravon Askew-Henry $1,390,000 = Who
2021 Mike Glennon $1,350,000 = Good (options were very limited)
2021 Zach Fulton $1,200,000 = Retired, what you going to do?
2021 Reggie Ragland $1,127,000 = We shall see, but good signing for the price. Too bad he has to play a bigger role now though.
2021 Ryan Anderson $1,120,000 = Cut
2021 Danny Shelton $1,120,000 = Meh (I liked the signing, been disappointed so far)
2020 Casey Kreiter $1,048,000 = Good
2020 Eric Tomlinson $1,020,000 = Should have kept him
2021 Christopher Milton $990,000
2019 Olsen Pierre $943,750
2021 Cullen Gillaspia $850,000 = Meh
2019 Rod Smith $805,000 =
2018 Leonard Johnson $790,000
2018 Scott Simonson $705,000
2018 Curtis Riley $630,000
2018 Zac Kerin $630,000

like they collect the worst players in the league

A Bettcher blue plate special.

there was talk of how many scouts would be let go, or an overhall of our scouting/personnel department?

How's that working out.

In comment 15424744 Chris in Philly said:

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Logan Ryan and James Bradberry both were impact players. They are playing like shit now but that doesn’t erase what they’ve done. And yes, most are dreck, but these small contracts are not the big reason we suck. There’s two backup quarterbacks on there. We expect them to be impact players?

Bradberry had one good year on a gigantic contract, so that one remains to be seen.

Agree to disagree on Logan Ryan being an impact player. He had 1 INT and 9 passes defended last year, both of which were among the lowest totals of his career.

not sure how you can make excuses here. There are almost zero successes.

In comment 15424777 mittenedman said:

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like they collect the worst players in the league

seriously. atrocious.

Who is the Senior Vice President of Player Personnel ?

But a bunch of these guys never received close to that money. Some were clearly for the coaches and players they wanted. Some on the GM. Some are just too early to tell what they will actually make and how will they will perform.

Golden Tate $11,000,000 per year (2 years)
Patrick Omameh 5,500,000 per year (1 year)
Kareem Martin $5,310,000 per year (2 Years, Betcher Guy)
Kyler Fackrell $4,600,000 per year (1 year, Graham guy)
Markus Golden $3,100,000 per year (2 years, Betcher Guy)
Cameron Fleming $3,437,500 (1 Year, Garret/Columbo Guy)
Levine Toilolo $2,425,000 per year (2 years)
Colt McCoy $2,250,000 per year (1 year)
Michael Thomas $2,000,000 per year (2 Years)
Cody Latimer $2,000,000 per year (2 years)
Connor Barwin $2,000,000(1 year, Betcher Guy)
Dion Lewis $1,550,000 (1 year)
Eric Tomlinson $1,000,000 per year (2 years)
Ifeadi Odenigbo $1,000,000 (1 year cut)
Olsen Pierre $943,750(1 year, Betcher guy)
Curtis Riley $934,784 (1 year)
Scott Simonson $600,000 per year (2 years)
Ryan Anderson 137,500 (cut)
Zach Fulton $137,500(Judge made retire)
Rod Smith $75,000 per year (2 years)
Zac Kerin $0.00 (Cut/ No Guarentees)
Ryquell Armstead $0.00 (Cut/ No Guarentees)
Dravon Askew-Henry $0.00 (Cut/ No Guarentees)
Leonard Johnson $0.00 (Cut/ No Guarentees)
Christopher Milton $0.00 (Cut/ No Guarentees)
( Off Team 23)

Active Roster (Final numbers to be determined)
Horrible contracts
Nate Solder $9,000,000 per year (55,100,000(6 years)45,100,000(5 years)5-6 years)
Nate Ebner 1,500,000 per year (Judge guy)

Active Roster (Final numbers to be determined)
Unknown (Jackson seems to be the worst for the money currently, but too early to tell with this group)
Kenny Golladay (extensive meetings with coaches and GM, joint decision at least)
James Bradberry ( Panther, would lean towards Gettleman)
Adoree' Jackson (extensive meetings with coaches and GM, joint decision at least)
Blake Martinez (Would lean towards Graham wanting)
Kyle Rudolph (No clue, in the minority here, but I think his blocking is worth it, would like to see him run more routes)
Logan Ryan (Patriots guy, would lean towards Judge Wanting)
Devontae Booker (too pricey for skill set, not sure who was all over him)
John Ross (discount price, worth risk)
Austin Johnson (looks to be a steal)
Mike Glennon (backup qb, get what you get)
Reggie Ragland (Bama guy, would lean towards Judge wanting)
Danny Shelton (cheap, but unimpressive)
Casey Kreiter (long snapper - going rate)
Cullen Gillaspia (Judge guy)

Missing:
Graham Gano 14,000,000 (3 year) (Gettleman guy)

from that list...

In comment 15424839 Jimmy Googs said:

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from that list...

Well, his locker room contribution was HUGE.

Stewart, he earned his 550,000$ per carry. Don’t think anyone would mistake that for a bad signing

In comment 15424848 Skully88 said:

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In comment 15424839 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: from that list... Well, his locker room contribution was HUGE.

Yep, veteran presence...

Quite a damning list MS. You build through the draft and supplement where needed through FA and trades.
That’s was a hard lesson learned by Jerrah when Will McClay came on board and used the draft to build the current Cowboys roster.

That list is spooky even during Halloween season. Gettleman has done a good job of squandering PSL dough

bad scouting and drafting, and bad at selecting coaches.

Winning!

Just win the SB via Free Agency?

In comment 15424703 George from PA said:

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People sound like DG is this rouge nut signing people on his own.

Yes, the coaches have input, but it is literally the personnel dept's job to handle personnel acquisition. They are the ones who study tape, they are the ones who interview, they are the ones who negotiate contracts.

We all know that coaches have say, some more than others, but parroting this is simply an exercise in passing the buck. The GM is the de facto head of the personnel dept, these signings are on him.

Gettleman as the next NYG GM said...

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His knowledge of personnel in the National Football League is second to none. I think he has excellent evaluation skills and he's a great communicator. He has strong leadership qualities.

It's always fun looking back, isn't it?

Of go carts. But there will be someone that is always lapped and someone who is aggressive and laps everyone. Giants have that coach that gets lapped by everyone.

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Just win the SB via Free Agency?

No, TB is an example of how to use FA to make a good team a SB contender. Almost their entire roster was home grown, the one thing holding them back was QB play. Why do you think TB signed there? He was a roster ready to win. Then he convinced Gronk to come along.

The way NOT to use FA is to try to make a bad team competitive. Last year's Giants had one signature win, the other 5 were against dogshit teams with backup QB's. Yet management thought that playing for the division title on the last day of the season, even if that division was one of the worst in NFL history, meant that this team was ready to take a step forward.

made some excellent draft picks, and of course added Tom Brady, which is a huge multiplier on the football field. Misleading to think they built this roster via UFA.

In comment 15424894 bw in dc said:

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Gettleman as the next NYG GM said... Quote: His knowledge of personnel in the National Football League is second to none. I think he has excellent evaluation skills and he's a great communicator. He has strong leadership qualities. It's always fun looking back, isn't it?

Great communication skills. I mean, even if you really thought he had good or great evaluation skills, Gettleman's rep around the league was one of a curmudgeonly guy. Where are the communication skills coming from?

Players being let go into Free Agency should be a warning sign not to overpay. Unless you are a championship caliber team that is a piece a way, you should never give out a big Free agent contract.

In comment 15424703 George from PA said:

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People sound like DG is this rouge nut signing people on his own.

So where you going with this George...you want to suggest that DG's just a patsy here?

Or maybe Getts was over-ruled by everyone else and was forced to bring that list of guys against his better judgment?

Didn't he get a ton of dough?

$30m, 3 year

were a result of bad drafting. Flowers was supposed to be at LT. Add on Jackson where Beal should be playing. TO get Beal the Giants gave up two picks which could have potentially filled positions that they then had to sign other FA's.

5 of 5 drafted or udfa for the giants, qb drafted by giants, RB drafted by Giants, Fb udfa, WRs 3 of 4 drafted by Giants

Defense
Three edges drafted by Giants, DT drafted, DE traded for, FA NT, FA ILBs,
SAfeties 1 drafted, 1 traded for, 1 FA, CBs 2 FA, nickle drafted.

Core of the team has been drafted. Your going over several years of FAs, and half of them were intended as roster filler on the list

In comment 15424933 Giants73 said:

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5 of 5 drafted or udfa for the giants, qb drafted by giants, RB drafted by Giants, Fb udfa, WRs 3 of 4 drafted by Giants Defense Three edges drafted by Giants, DT drafted, DE traded for, FA NT, FA ILBs, SAfeties 1 drafted, 1 traded for, 1 FA, CBs 2 FA, nickle drafted. Core of the team has been drafted. Your going over several years of FAs, and half of them were intended as roster filler on the list

Are you forgetting our $62 million OT? It's not the number of positions, it's the cap allocations, almost 30% of the cap was used for those FA starters. That is not a wise use of cap management for a bad team.

% of cap goes up significantly next year.

In comment 15424949 Section331 said:

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In comment 15424933 Giants73 said: Quote: 5 of 5 drafted or udfa for the giants, qb drafted by giants, RB drafted by Giants, Fb udfa, WRs 3 of 4 drafted by Giants Defense Three edges drafted by Giants, DT drafted, DE traded for, FA NT, FA ILBs, SAfeties 1 drafted, 1 traded for, 1 FA, CBs 2 FA, nickle drafted. Core of the team has been drafted. Your going over several years of FAs, and half of them were intended as roster filler on the list Are you forgetting our $62 million OT? It's not the number of positions, it's the cap allocations, almost 30% of the cap was used for those FA starters. That is not a wise use of cap management for a bad team.

Not at all, he was projected to be a swing tackle. Peart never got over his back injury and Solder got moved up.

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In comment 15424887 Giants73 said: Quote: Just win the SB via Free Agency? No, TB is an example of how to use FA to make a good team a SB contender. Almost their entire roster was home grown, the one thing holding them back was QB play. Why do you think TB signed there? He was a roster ready to win. Then he convinced Gronk to come along. The way NOT to use FA is to try to make a bad team competitive. Last year's Giants had one signature win, the other 5 were against dogshit teams with backup QB's. Yet management thought that playing for the division title on the last day of the season, even if that division was one of the worst in NFL history, meant that this team was ready to take a step forward.

5-11,5-11,7-9 that was the build up. Over 90 million in FA dollars on that roster last year 25 to TB, another 15 to Shaq Barrett, another 10 to Jenson, 9 mil to Gronkowski, 9 mil to Suh plus the others you can look up all the individuals. That was just the spend on them last year, that is not bloating up what their actual contracts say they were getting.

He played pretty well last year, less so this year, but "impact" to me implies someone who can dominate a game.

to finish a talented, ascending team.

The Giants were not that, despite whatever DG or anyone else in the Timex Center believed, they blow that assessment annually. They're just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

FA is meant to supplement a core. The Giants have not had a core in a decade.

In comment 15424894 bw in dc said:

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Gettleman as the next NYG GM said... Quote: His knowledge of personnel in the National Football League is second to none. I think he has excellent evaluation skills and he's a great communicator. He has strong leadership qualities. It's always fun looking back, isn't it?

I bet Gettleman wrote that quote for Mara’s press conference.

is talent and a many levels and that its a rebuild.. Lets not pretend we are close to the team we want to be and act accordingly.. don't pay someone tons of money to fix one problem.. we have many that need fixing and slowly we can fix them all not all problems need to be fixed right away.. I am fine with a 5-12, 6-11 record next year if it means that we are developing for the future..

In comment 15425024 Greg from LI said:

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He played pretty well last year, less so this year, but "impact" to me implies someone who can dominate a game.

Fine, not impact. But certainly worth $7.5M.

Coaching sucks. You can give me the same ingredients as Bobby Flay, but what I make will most likely taste like shit. Give McVay, Reid, Belichek Harbaugh this team they are winning. Coach sucks as the team will until he is gone

In comment 15425068 Chris in Philly said:

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Fine, not impact. But certainly worth $7.5M.

Ryan is having a really rough season. He’s giving up nearly an 80% completion percentage, a +100 passer rating against, and he’s not making many plays in the run game or pass rush game.

What he certainly doesn’t seem like is a 12M a year guy the next two years.

(at least for me). Almost every signing was a garbage player.

Contrast that with the pro personnel signings when Gettleman worked under Coughlin. Almost every single guy they signed was decent.

I still remember them getting Hedgecock, Boothe & Hixon. And even their drafted guys like Jamar Taylor had game. They had a great eye. Now they can't buy a basket.

Methinks Tom Coughlin was a God send. A football guy.