I love this quote by Patrick Graham

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Because they've lost almost every game he's coached.

beat Washington 24-3

Pretty sure sir Patrick wasn't here then....

These coaches are unreal.....

The team is losing but the coaches still have an obligation to stand up in front of the media and answer questions. What are fans expecting them to say? There is nothing they can say that will appease anyone and you won't find any answers in words, so what are you looking for exactly?

In comment 15424831 UberAlias said:

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The team is losing but the coaches still have an obligation to stand up in front of the media and answer questions. What are fans expecting them to say? There is nothing they can say that will appease anyone and you won't find any answers in words, so what are you looking for exactly?

Blows my mind.

In comment 15424821 Danny Kanell said:

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Because they've lost almost every game he's coached.

But still the PROCESS shows improvement.🤦‍♂️

but there is no coach in the universe that can make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Not sure what the coaching staff is suppose to do when the past two teams they faced outclassed them roster wise at all levels. We can shit on Joe and Pat, but both sides of the ball have inferior talent all the way through except for 1 or 2 positions. You guys still do not realize how bad this roster is from top to bottom, oily thin once you get past the supposed starter. The Ravens have 17 players on IR and they are 5 and 1.

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but there is no coach in the universe that can make chicken soup out of chicken shit.

Didn't Graham get a lot of praise for fielding a solid defense last year with a rotating cast of replacements at #2 CB?

No one on this website thought the defensive roster was great but we hailed the season as an accomplishment.

The offense won't be able to do much with all the injuries. PGs defense has severely underperformed, obviously. But unlike the past two weeks, his unit shouldn't be hopelessly undermanned. So let's see.

Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

A guy can dream I suppose

By more than one TD in the Judge era. That was by 10 points, with the help of a garbage time FG with 1.46 left on the clock. Easy to stay the same when you suck every week.

In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but there is no coach in the universe that can make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Didn't Graham get a lot of praise for fielding a solid defense last year with a rotating cast of replacements at #2 CB? No one on this website thought the defensive roster was great but we hailed the season as an accomplishment.

ravens and titans have rookie cbs and manage to give up less points than graham.

Would bring their brand of coaching…..somewhere else…..not being mad about being 1-5 is disgracefully consistent.

compared to 10+ years ago. It's torture for me now. Part of the price of growing up and older and having 40+ years of football memories in the hard drive, including many from the NFL's Golden Age.

Words are often just words, I'm looking for actions and results.

In comment 15424878 Giants73 said:

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In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but there is no coach in the universe that can make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Didn't Graham get a lot of praise for fielding a solid defense last year with a rotating cast of replacements at #2 CB? No one on this website thought the defensive roster was great but we hailed the season as an accomplishment. ravens and titans have rookie cbs and manage to give up less points than graham.

True but Ravens have a lot more talent upfront which helps the back end. You guys continue to lose sight how little talent is in our LB unit. And I know its hard to believe, but possibly we have overrated our own talent based on a weak ass schedule we played last year against back up QBs and the like.

Each year to FA, yet next man up seems to perform just as well. You also don’t see there talent playing as well when they move on. Think it’s a clear indication of coaching making these players better. Several NFL players have indicated that there is less than a handful of elite players per team. The rest of them have similar skill set but win on being prepared and coached up. Think it was an interview with Mike Golic.

Couldn’t care less about the coach speak one way or another. If they’re winning. And we aren’t. What I’d like to hear from Graham or Judge is that they’ve identified the schemes and the players they need to succeed, to win games. I don’t give a rats behind about Judges emotional composition. In fact, my fear with Judge is that he has all the temperament and communication skills necessary but he doesn’t know enough about scheme and play design and game planning and in game management and game time adjustments. Let me know who the heck is in charge of that and keep all the touchy feely mumbo jumbo to somewhere else.

And all these about talent not being sufficient just do t hold up to reason. Every was jizzing all over themselves talking about this defense. But now all of the sudden it’s chickenshit? Balderdash! This is a poorly coached team through and through. That’s on Judge and his staff. Mara and Getty aren’t getting it done. No doubt about that, but there’s more talent on this team than Judge and company know what to do with. The coaching sucks.

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Each year to FA, yet next man up seems to perform just as well. You also don’t see there talent playing as well when they move on. Think it’s a clear indication of coaching making these players better. Several NFL players have indicated that there is less than a handful of elite players per team. The rest of them have similar skill set but win on being prepared and coached up. Think it was an interview with Mike Golic.

But..but....but Jim Harbaugh was a Special Teams coach the same as Joe Judge.

I'd settle for scoring three.

But consistency on a losing team can create complacency.

I think Judge is too used to being at winning programs and isn't able to adjust to one that needs a shake up.

In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but we hailed the season as an accomplishment.

and this is the main problem with many on here. The acceptance of mediocrity is a bit mind-numbing. Anyone suggesting that a 6-10 team in which they were in a historically bad division playing god-awful teams which accounted for most if not all of their crummy 6 victories has lost touch as to what should be _ "hailed."

Do we realize that 4 of our wins were against the crummy teams in our division? One win was against a no-Joe-Burrow team? And another year was I believe wins vs all but one team vs a backup QB.

SO what is it exactly that should be "hailed?"

This team with the garbage they had and with GM that has readily admitted he blundered putting the team together is going to suck. And there should be zero "hailing."

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In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but there is no coach in the universe that can make chicken soup out of chicken shit. Didn't Graham get a lot of praise for fielding a solid defense last year with a rotating cast of replacements at #2 CB? No one on this website thought the defensive roster was great but we hailed the season as an accomplishment.

In retrospect we were mistaken. The Giants sucked to the tune of 6-10 last year but we pretended they didn't because the historically awful division allowed the Giants to meet Wellington Mara's bare minimum of a successful season - the last game of the season is meaningful.

In comment 15425275 giantstock said:

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In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but we hailed the season as an accomplishment. and this is the main problem with many on here. The acceptance of mediocrity is a bit mind-numbing. Anyone suggesting that a 6-10 team in which they were in a historically bad division playing god-awful teams which accounted for most if not all of their crummy 6 victories has lost touch as to what should be _ "hailed." Do we realize that 4 of our wins were against the crummy teams in our division? One win was against a no-Joe-Burrow team? And another year was I believe wins vs all but one team vs a backup QB. SO what is it exactly that should be "hailed?" This team with the garbage they had and with GM that has readily admitted he blundered putting the team together is going to suck. And there should be zero "hailing."

Trying to find a reason for optimism does quite amount to hailing a 6-10 season as an accomplishment

More like going 5-3 and winning a meaningful game in December was fun.

he will get bullshit interviews so team can check the box. All you need to do is see the lost look on his face while our defense is getting steamrolled.

We spent a lot of money on this defense and provided him with what he needed. Losing Martinez was unfortunate and that was his QB (not losing sight of the importance of that loss). However, I am seeing serious scheme issues even without Martinez on the field.

In comment 15425540 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15425275 giantstock said: Quote: In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but we hailed the season as an accomplishment. Trying to find a reason for optimism does quite amount to hailing a 6-10 season as an accomplishment More like going 5-3 and winning a meaningful game in December was fun.

The problem is by you and others who used teh 5-3 comment as any sort of barometer, oyu are equating the 5-3 record to 5-3 records of every other team in the NFL. As a result, you comeltley igore the qualitty.

So in this case, why is 5-3 more important than evaluating who they beat when they went 5-3? Three games against teams in our conference which has been deemed arguably the worst ever in the modern era, and one game they won vs a no-Joe-Burrow led team. So four of 5 wins were against lousy teams.

The team was 6-10 in arguably the worst conference ever in which 5 of their 6 wins were against awful teams. There is no reason to hail any of this and use the 5-3 data. There MUST BE "context."

In comment 15425540 joeinpa said:

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In comment 15425275 giantstock said: Quote: In comment 15424861 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15424857 BigBlueJ said: Quote: but we hailed the season as an accomplishment. More like going 5-3 and winning a meaningful game in December was fun.

They closed out the year 1-4 and had their chance at the playoffs taken from them. That was the truth about the team, not the fake "5-3" record.