Article on why selecting RB's high in the draft is a mistake

A lot of people were saying it at the time, Nelson, Chubb or trade down was the right move then.

...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall.

JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb.

(of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.)

the Giants have done well without needing to draft 1st-round running backs. Jacobs was a 4th-rounder in '05, Bradshaw a 7th-rounder in '07.

And grabbing Nelson. But Gettleman talked himself out of it because he wanted a “Hall of Fame” player. Funny thing is Nelson is on the path to the Hall and Barkley will have to buy a ticket to get in.

In comment 15424902 sb from NYT Forum said:

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...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall. JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb. (of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.)

Could have taken Darius Leonard instead as well.

here at BBI.

There are two rules of thumb in today's NFL - (1) never a lottery pick on a RB and (2) never give a RB a huge second contract. Dolts like Gettleman should have had these on his screen saver when he was hired.

There are exceptions to #2. Like Derrick Henry. But more often than not, the odds overwhelmingly say find another, cheaper solution.

In comment 15424902 sb from NYT Forum said:

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...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall. JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb. (of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.)

Ugh, I hadn't heard that. I was in favor of trading down with the Jets, who we knew were enamored with Darnold. Indy really helped themselves with that trade, still getting the guy they wanted, plus 2 linchpins on defense.

All the proof you need to see that you don't use such a high pick on a RB was on display last night. 3rd string RB ran for 150 yards because he had one of the best OL's in front of him. DG knew this, or at least said he did, but went for the fancy car instead of fixing the plumbing.

say that Barkley was the pick that doomed DG's "rebuild" and not Jones. Barkley teased us with his rookie year but how many of those were just untouched big runs that as the Ol deteriorated they became less and less and then the injuries etc.

The lack of fixing the Ol doomed the run game and the passing game. It hastened Eli's downfall and ultimately killed Jones's progression.

A second contract...

that needed to go through a heavy restructuring in many areas of its roster.

If the front office couldn't find a QB worth taking in their assessment, they needed to shop that #2 pick and improve in several other areas. Plenty to choose from...

is the price tag of the #2 overall pick and the burden it puts on the salary cap to have a RB taking up such a big cap hit.


Taking an RB at #2 was a HUGE miss for DG, which is part of the reason it will cost him his job.

Cleveland allegedly offered this. Is there any articles at draft time where this supposed offer was out there. Let me guess when Jones was drafted we were offered someone’s next ten 1st round picks and DG turned them down.

Talk was on Darnold and lot of fans wanted Rosen.

Funny now, in hindsight, it's always ignored and to the stud OG.

Chubb is always hurt, too.

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Cleveland allegedly offered this. Is there any articles at draft time where this supposed offer was out there. Let me guess when Jones was drafted we were offered someone’s next ten 1st round picks and DG turned them down.

Yes there were. At the time. Gettleman himself admitted he got calls.

Common sense dictates that something similar was offered to the Giants prior. Additionally, a QB went right after the Giants pick with another 2 QBs going in the first half of that draft, indicating that there was both value and a market for that position. The Giants turned in their card as quickly as the NFL permitted, indicating that they did not fully explore a trade down. There have been reports of rumored interest from other organizations like the Broncos as well. The whole "we don't know if a fair trade was on the table argument" is just ridiculous. If you have a half a brain and aren't willfully ignoring that half, you can do the math on what options were available to the Giants that year and the extent to which they explored them.

I don't even think the argument of whether a RB is worth a top 5 pick is even much of an argument anymore. There's nothing really earth shattering there. The Barkley pick may have cemented that and it's commonly accepted at this point. The Giants were just late to this line of thinking just like they've been late on everything the last decade and will continue to be late unless there are wholesale changes to the people doing the thinking.

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Talk was on Darnold and lot of fans wanted Rosen. Funny now, in hindsight, it's always ignored and to the stud OG. Chubb is always hurt, too.

Thank goodness we're not the GM. I mean, we'd be in trouble...

Nah.

In comment 15424972 Toth029 said:

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Talk was on Darnold and lot of fans wanted Rosen. Funny now, in hindsight, it's always ignored and to the stud OG. Chubb is always hurt, too.

I think we have enough proof from the results on the field over the last 4 years to suggest they made plenty of poor decisions.

Do you really think fans require hindsight to take their shots?

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In comment 15424962 Giants73 said: Quote: Cleveland allegedly offered this. Is there any articles at draft time where this supposed offer was out there. Let me guess when Jones was drafted we were offered someone’s next ten 1st round picks and DG turned them down. Yes there were. At the time. Gettleman himself admitted he got calls.

getting calls and getting that offer is not the same thing. For all you know the calls were to move down to 10.

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Cleveland allegedly offered this. Is there any articles at draft time where this supposed offer was out there. Let me guess when Jones was drafted we were offered someone’s next ten 1st round picks and DG turned them down.

You don't need to pretend anything or look for any reports.. Jets gave away 3 2nd round picks for a draft pick that was worse than the one we had.. so even if we use that as the baseline.. we can see that we lost..

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In comment 15424973 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 15424962 Giants73 said: Quote: Cleveland allegedly offered this. Is there any articles at draft time where this supposed offer was out there. Let me guess when Jones was drafted we were offered someone’s next ten 1st round picks and DG turned them down. Yes there were. At the time. Gettleman himself admitted he got calls. getting calls and getting that offer is not the same thing. For all you know the calls were to move down to 10.

Or it was possibly that offer...

In comment 15424979 AcesUp said:

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Common sense dictates that something similar was offered to the Giants prior. Additionally, a QB went right after the Giants pick with another 2 QBs going in the first half of that draft, indicating that there was both value and a market for that position. The Giants turned in their card as quickly as the NFL permitted, indicating that they did not fully explore a trade down. There have been reports of rumored interest from other organizations like the Broncos as well. The whole "we don't know if a fair trade was on the table argument" is just ridiculous. If you have a half a brain and aren't willfully ignoring that half, you can do the math on what options were available to the Giants that year and the extent to which they explored them. I don't even think the argument of whether a RB is worth a top 5 pick is even much of an argument anymore. There's nothing really earth shattering there. The Barkley pick may have cemented that and it's commonly accepted at this point. The Giants were just late to this line of thinking just like they've been late on everything the last decade and will continue to be late unless there are wholesale changes to the people doing the thinking.

Don't bother.. half the idiots here don't understand that we didn't wait an extra second to get an offer.. DG drafted Barkley as quick as humanly possible.. we have 10 extra min to draft the guy and in the meantime hear any offers..

Saying the team doesn't stink. But fans constantly, and I mean all the time, act like they know everything. I'm not arguing taking Barkley was the wrong pick, but all of a sudden it's Nelson or trade down. Like ignoring the fact guys like Rosen were completely awful, or how someone like Darnold flopped, and Chubb is as injured as Barkley.

The draft is a crapshoot and it's often dependent on how healthy the guy can stay, what scheme he's in, what supporting cast he has, etc. Unless he's just lazy, like Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were.

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Saying the team doesn't stink. But fans constantly, and I mean all the time, act like they know everything. I'm not arguing taking Barkley was the wrong pick, but all of a sudden it's Nelson or trade down. Like ignoring the fact guys like Rosen were completely awful, or how someone like Darnold flopped, and Chubb is as injured as Barkley.

Chubb has missed 6 games in his career. Bakley has missed 18 in the same amount of time.

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Saying the team doesn't stink. But fans constantly, and I mean all the time, act like they know everything. I'm not arguing taking Barkley was the wrong pick, but all of a sudden it's Nelson or trade down. Like ignoring the fact guys like Rosen were completely awful, or how someone like Darnold flopped, and Chubb is as injured as Barkley. The draft is a crapshoot and it's often dependent on how healthy the guy can stay, what scheme he's in, what supporting cast he has, etc. Unless he's just lazy, like Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were.

Grouping fans and their wishes together seems pretty lazy as well. I think many fans said trade down, and doing it to grabs some top O-linemen for a continually weak OL team doesn't seem like some crazy idea. Or a RB later in the draft. Does it?

And while fans/media may have wanted them to move on from Eli and go with Darnold, Rosen, that isn't what the Giants were ever going to do. You seem to also have left off a few other QBs in making your point that have done well.

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Saying the team doesn't stink. But fans constantly, and I mean all the time, act like they know everything. I'm not arguing taking Barkley was the wrong pick, but all of a sudden it's Nelson or trade down. Like ignoring the fact guys like Rosen were completely awful, or how someone like Darnold flopped, and Chubb is as injured as Barkley. The draft is a crapshoot and it's often dependent on how healthy the guy can stay, what scheme he's in, what supporting cast he has, etc. Unless he's just lazy, like Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were.

The individual players I can understand but the process that was the problem.. Giants didn't even bother waiting to hear a trade scenario.. they knew they wanted a boom or bust RB.. who just don't relate to wins as much.. they didn't understand how the team was at the point and that it needed a rebuild.. Of the players you listed above the only team that is worse off is the one who traded up to get Darnold.. everyone else is better off..

The process should be to properly evaluate your team and make desicions based on that.. instead we figured an average but overpaid LT along with Jonathan Stewart, Boom or Bust RB and a reject OG from Jacksonville will make us a playoff team..

Now do you see the difference?

I remember an NFL draft podcast during the runup to the 2018 draft and beat reporters of the Colts and Broncos were openly mocking the Giants as they were set to draft a RB at #2.

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Talk was on Darnold and lot of fans wanted Rosen. Funny now, in hindsight, it's always ignored and to the stud OG. Chubb is always hurt, too.

I have never wavered on wanting Nelson! It was the right choice with how bad our Oline had been.

Remember how hot people were on Drew Lock. Both he and Haskins have stunk.

Chubb has only been healthy in 2 of his 4 seasons so far.

Think Bronco fans love that pick right now?

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Remember how hot people were on Drew Lock. Both he and Haskins have stunk.

Yeah, very good points. The Giants could have really wasted their time picking the wrong QB.

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Chubb has only been healthy in 2 of his 4 seasons so far. Think Bronco fans love that pick right now?

That's one more than Barkley.. but then again you are just talking about the players picked.. The entire process that the FO followed was wrong..

Are. When you add in their salaries and the fact that Saquon was the number two pick you have to wonder if anyone in this organization has any idea what they are doing. Every week I watch back ups from other teams look like Barry sanders compared to our backs

"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions.

Since 2007, the Giants have drafted:
-2009 Andre Brown (4th)
-2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th)
-2012 David Wilson (1st)
-2013 Michael Cox (7th)
-2014 Andre Williams (4th)
-2016 Paul Perkins (5th)
-2017 Wayne Gallman (4th)
-2018 Saquon Barkley (1st)

None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR.

It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

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"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

sorry you're tired. If you notice from your list, it wasn't worth it for the Giants to draft first round RBs either. So would you rather fail with a 4th round pick or a 1st round pick, since the organization seems unable to identify good RB talent regardless where they pick them.

In comment 15425046 RomanWH said:

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"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

maybe look around the league and see how other (smarter) teams have operated? Just a thought.

In comment 15425046 RomanWH said:

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"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

Or realize that RBs are OL dependent and not the other way around and fix the real problem?

In comment 15425046 RomanWH said:

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"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

I actually think you are proving that the Giants should NEVER draft a running back since they obviously suck at it...

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In comment 15425046 RomanWH said: Quote: "Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years. sorry you're tired. If you notice from your list, it wasn't worth it for the Giants to draft first round RBs either. So would you rather fail with a 4th round pick or a 1st round pick, since the organization seems unable to identify good RB talent regardless where they pick them.

Don't misunderstand the point I'm making. I'm not advocating for straight up using high picks on RBs either. I'm merely refuting the myth that it's so easy to find quality RB talent in the later rounds. Like it's a foregone conclusion that some guy who fell to the 5th or 6th will be amazing. I know it's not groundbreaking when I repeat the often said phrase that "drafting's a crapshoot" but it is. There is no guarantee that picking a RB in the later rounds will amount to anything either.

Fix the front office and scouting. Everything else will fall in line after that. Until then, it won't matter what round a RB gets taken. Nobody should have any faith that this front office knows what it is doing. That's my point.

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Are. When you add in their salaries and the fact that Saquon was the number two pick you have to wonder if anyone in this organization has any idea what they are doing. Every week I watch back ups from other teams look like Barry sanders compared to our backs

I made a similar remark last night on the Browns/Broncos game thread. It's really unbelievable that this organization can't draft quality OLs or find quality RBs later in the draft or UDFA. I'm convinced there are quite a few BBIers who could locate competent RBs better than the clowns at Jints Central.

Look, a significant key to getting out of this tailspin is solving this decades long OL crisis. Because it is a crisis. And finding quality OLs is one of the most difficult things to do in the NFL. So if we can find the right expert(s) to finally stop the misses, we will finally be ready to compete.

When in doubt, focus on OLs in round one because the hit % is the best of any position. Hell, right now, I'd use the two picks we have in the '22 draft to take the two best OLs. Just play the odds at this point.

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"Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years.

And?

That says more about:
-our problems at OL
-poor talent evaluation
-poor player development.

The "Just draft a RB later!" philosophy isn't wrong because the Giants suck at executing it.

In comment 15425071 RomanWH said:

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In comment 15425050 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15425046 RomanWH said: Quote: "Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years. sorry you're tired. If you notice from your list, it wasn't worth it for the Giants to draft first round RBs either. So would you rather fail with a 4th round pick or a 1st round pick, since the organization seems unable to identify good RB talent regardless where they pick them. Don't misunderstand the point I'm making. I'm not advocating for straight up using high picks on RBs either. I'm merely refuting the myth that it's so easy to find quality RB talent in the later rounds. Like it's a foregone conclusion that some guy who fell to the 5th or 6th will be amazing. I know it's not groundbreaking when I repeat the often said phrase that "drafting's a crapshoot" but it is. There is no guarantee that picking a RB in the later rounds will amount to anything either. Fix the front office and scouting. Everything else will fall in line after that. Until then, it won't matter what round a RB gets taken. Nobody should have any faith that this front office knows what it is doing. That's my point.

I think we can all agree with you the Giants need to do better selecting RBs. We drafted Brightwell, who is MIA, and a few picks later Chicago took Khalil Herbert.

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In comment 15425037 Toth029 said: Quote: Chubb has only been healthy in 2 of his 4 seasons so far. Think Bronco fans love that pick right now? That's one more than Barkley.. but then again you are just talking about the players picked.. The entire process that the FO followed was wrong..

Chubb isn't helping Broncos, is he? He's played in 35 games out of the possible 54 played so far. (Barkley is at 36)

Again, I don't disagree with the selection of a RB in the top 10. Or picking up journeymen for line fixes. Solder was the best of what was available - and the other alternative was Flowers. But my issue in this is how fans are being so selective with the players chosen rather than what happened in real time. Nelson in a trade down would've been fantastic. So would have taken Zach Martin over Odell in 2014. The line has been problematic for going on ten seasons. They've put premium picks on the line, but they did a poor job of picking the right ones, and this dates back to Will Beatty in 2009.

Using this business of "well they should have done this [here] and chosen this position [here]..." instead of what the actual projections were pre draft - it's just silly. Hindsight is always easy.

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Remember how hot people were on Drew Lock. Both he and Haskins have stunk.

I don't remember many here "hot" on Haskins. I like Lock, but mainly because I thought he was a developmental QB you could get in the 2nd round. And I was absolutely on the trade down train prior to that draft.

If 2018 was just one bad draft for DG, few here would be complaining. Even the best orgs screw up drafts. But DG campaigned on fixing the OL, and applied relatively little draft capital to do it. Taking Barkley was like buying a fixer-upper and using your home equity to buy a sports car rather than fixing the plumbing.

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...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall. JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb. (of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.)

So Cleveland, who picked first and took Baker Mayfield, was offering both their second rounders to move to 2???????

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In comment 15424902 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: ...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall. JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb. (of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.) So Cleveland, who picked first and took Baker Mayfield, was offering both their second rounders to move to 2???????

And as I write that it just hit me that they had 2 first round picks that year..... My bad.

Still don't see them having made that offer.

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In comment 15424902 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: ...to Gettleman to swap our #2 overall for their #4 overall. JFC can you imagine? The Giants likely could have had Nelson, Braden Smith AND Nick Chubb. (of course, Gettleman could have drafted Smith but took Hernandez... sm damn h.) So Cleveland, who picked first and took Baker Mayfield, was offering both their second rounders to move to 2???????

If true, I've got to think they wanted Barkley. I mean, who else would they move up 2 spots for? Just think about that though, Quentin Nelson, Darius Leonard and Nick Chubb. Wow.

At the time of the pick

Again today....ugh!

Set the wheels In motion for the mess they find themselves in

At the time of the pick

Again today....ugh!

Set the wheels In motion for the mess they find themselves in

Not the worst player picked, but given the situation it was catastrophic.

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In comment 15425071 RomanWH said: Quote: In comment 15425050 Producer said: Quote: In comment 15425046 RomanWH said: Quote: "Just draft a RB later!" and point to the few that turned into something as their "proof" it works. "Jacobs and Bradshaw!" they shout. These 2 Giants are exceptions. Since 2007, the Giants have drafted: -2009 Andre Brown (4th) -2011 Da'Rel Scott (7th) -2012 David Wilson (1st) -2013 Michael Cox (7th) -2014 Andre Williams (4th) -2016 Paul Perkins (5th) -2017 Wayne Gallman (4th) -2018 Saquon Barkley (1st) None of those drafted in the lower rounds were worth keeping. Aside from Wayne Gallman, none are on NFL rosters currently. And Gallman is such a solid RB that he got released by the 49ers after signing as a FA and is now 3rd string in Atlanta behind Mike Davis and a converted WR. It's like ppl forgot how much guys like Andre Brown and Andre Williams sucked. So much so that we had to sign a guy like Rashad Jennings to play RB for us for several years. sorry you're tired. If you notice from your list, it wasn't worth it for the Giants to draft first round RBs either. So would you rather fail with a 4th round pick or a 1st round pick, since the organization seems unable to identify good RB talent regardless where they pick them. Don't misunderstand the point I'm making. I'm not advocating for straight up using high picks on RBs either. I'm merely refuting the myth that it's so easy to find quality RB talent in the later rounds. Like it's a foregone conclusion that some guy who fell to the 5th or 6th will be amazing. I know it's not groundbreaking when I repeat the often said phrase that "drafting's a crapshoot" but it is. There is no guarantee that picking a RB in the later rounds will amount to anything either. Fix the front office and scouting. Everything else will fall in line after that. Until then, it won't matter what round a RB gets taken. Nobody should have any faith that this front office knows what it is doing. That's my point. I think we can all agree with you the Giants need to do better selecting RBs. We drafted Brightwell, who is MIA, and a few picks later Chicago took Khalil Herbert.

I was thinking about drafting Rhamondre Stevenson in the fourth round myself. The Patriots drafted him instead.