I can only hope that John Mara gets another embarrassing performance tomorrow. I hate to be like this but i'm so fed up with his ineptness! all you younger guys don't kill me. This hurts, and if you cant figure it out that mara and his brother are the common denominator, you'll never get it.
I really hope the Giants hold Car to 10 tomorrow just to come to this site and see the multiple posts about losingPatrick Graham for Head Coaching jobs.
Ill keep dreaming though
This is the kind of awful situation we're in as fans. It stinks.
I'm already running PFN draft sims. FUN!
But he's a hell of a player.
They're symptoms.
We need the Maras to get out of personnel. I think now that that's such a huge issue I'd almost rather deal with another year of Gettleman and company if it meant the Maras were no longer interfering.
... almost. I still want them gone though.
I’m supportive of that analysis. I think Giants need to run a different offense. However Judge comes across as well of being conservative. Not sure about Kitchens as OC. May be a moot point if Judge goes after the season if this team sinks to bottom.
And himself. Get the idea of any owner needing to sign off on some huge deals but the Mara’s are horrible owners. If not for The well known for out of Young onto them this team may have never won a Super Bowl. I wouldn’t let Mara run a lemonade stand.
Hire someone with no ties to the organization. We need new blood.
The Giants philosophy no longer wins enough football games to sustain a consistent winner. The league is now a finesse, offensive league and the Giants are a dinosaur.
There's a lot of talk that maybe the offense is so vanilla because the players suck. But I don't see why you need great players to put in imaginative plays. It's no harder running a good play than a lousy one. Maybe execution won't be perfect, but wtf, the offense isn't accomplishing anything now.
I just wanna see decent Giants football.
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The Garrett hire...I think @ the time I was in favor of it, but man was I wrong. Just an uncreative, unimaginative, blah offense. When I watch other offenses in the league...it looks like we're a decade behind.
There's a lot of talk that maybe the offense is so vanilla because the players suck. But I don't see why you need great players to put in imaginative plays. It's no harder running a good play than a lousy one. Maybe execution won't be perfect, but wtf, the offense isn't accomplishing anything now.
You don't need the '99 Rams personnel to run an imaginative offense. Garrett just is incapable of it. Again, I think I was in favor of his hiring, but it has been a disaster.
The Giants philosophy no longer wins enough football games to sustain a consistent winner. The league is now a finesse, offensive league and the Giants are a dinosaur.
I don't know, the Giants haven't been doing well at trying to preserve that identity. Take the pass rush; we haven't drafted a good edge rusher since JPP and Gettleman in particular has been unwilling to commit to fixing that; "Rome wasn't built in a day, dahlin."
The Giants philosophy no longer wins enough football games to sustain a consistent winner. The league is now a finesse, offensive league and the Giants are a dinosaur.
i disagree with this to a certain extent. the giants aren't good at defense or running the ball. to make the claim you can't win doing that i don't think is accurate.
the problem is the giants aren't really good at anything. and it all goes back to the offensive line and quarterback.
The Mara s have had plenty of embarrassing losses this past decade. It has spurred them to change, so far they haven’t worked
I would much rather root for a win tomorrow, a return to health of many key players, and some good football and wins for the remainder of the season.
I m hoping those wins include continue improvement of players who can help the Giants win going forward.
I m hoping the rest of the season helps determine that Daniel is the guy as well as Judge.
Not rooting for embarrassing losses, that s seems ridiculous.
If they continue to lose , changes will happen again, not sure why some of you think that s what we need to root for at the moment, hasn’t worked too well up to now.
And spare me the Mara s are the problem, because they aren’t going anywhere, so let s root for them to get it right again.
100 percent agree at this time. I want to see that Blue Collar football game.
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that is important to preserve. The identity is tough, run-first, defensive football. As long as they insist on this identity, the Giants will keep losing.
The Giants philosophy no longer wins enough football games to sustain a consistent winner. The league is now a finesse, offensive league and the Giants are a dinosaur.
i disagree with this to a certain extent. the giants aren't good at defense or running the ball. to make the claim you can't win doing that i don't think is accurate.
the problem is the giants aren't really good at anything. and it all goes back to the offensive line and quarterback.
Well we wouldn't have spent crucial resources on a RB and on run stuffers if they knew better.
The Mara s have had plenty of embarrassing losses this past decade. It has spurred them to change, so far they haven’t worked
I would much rather root for a win tomorrow, a return to health of many key players, and some good football and wins for the remainder of the season.
I m hoping those wins include continue improvement of players who can help the Giants win going forward.
I m hoping the rest of the season helps determine that Daniel is the guy as well as Judge.
Not rooting for embarrassing losses, that s seems ridiculous.
If they continue to lose , changes will happen again, not sure why some of you think that s what we need to root for at the moment, hasn’t worked too well up to now.
And spare me the Mara s are the problem, because they aren’t going anywhere, so let s root for them to get it right again.
I want them to keep iterating until they get it right. I do not believe that this iteration of the team is very good, so imv the quickest way to get back on track is to go 1-16, clean house, and reboot. Winning 5-7 games does nothing except keep them mired in mediocrity
But, I lived in Dallas before and the one thing they all complained about was Garrett’s offense. It was obvious to all there fans…. Then we hired him as the offensive coordinator.. oh well….
Winning hasn't been the objective around this place for many years
I was wrong………..it has been the opposite.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know there is no one in the Giants building who has a clue.
I am still looking for a shred of pride from these players. Still looking.
I was wrong………..it has been the opposite.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I do know there is no one in the Giants building who has a clue.
I am still looking for a shred of pride from these players. Still looking.
I agree with this. I thought 2017 was the bottom, of course there's nothing worse than the Eagles winning the Super Bowl and loser Giant fans getting horny over their victory, but my God they somehow became even more rotten as a franchise.
I thought 2018 some games got away from the Giants and they could get better but once they drafted Jones and traded OBJ, I thought that was two of the dumbest things DG did as GM. Next is the Stewart contract. Yikes. Then maybe drafting Barkley #2 overall lol
Big changes are coming unless a very significant turn in events with the on field performance.
Not speaking for the person to whom you directed the question.
For, me.. there is no sense to have an "embarrassing" loss. However, if you want real change then we need an embarrassing season.
I also will always root for the team to win each week. What we cannot have though is a string of meaningless wins to give John Mara the excuse to make no changes.
Seems a victory these days is just being in the game in the second half.
The fumble lead to George Young which eventually lead to the Parcells years. The 2002 Playoff collaspe lead to the end of Fassel after a 4-12 season and the trade for Eli.
Things never change around the Giants unless catastrophe strikes and embarrasses the owners. I can't actually root for the Giants to lose. But I know long term the more games they lose this year the better chance we as fans have for some change and that's protbably the only chance we have to end the Sons of Wellington lost decade.
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The Garrett hire...I think @ the time I was in favor of it, but man was I wrong. Just an uncreative, unimaginative, blah offense. When I watch other offenses in the league...it looks like we're a decade behind.
But, I lived in Dallas before and the one thing they all complained about was Garrett’s offense. It was obvious to all there fans…. Then we hired him as the offensive coordinator.. oh well….
joeinpa is right: no one is firing Chris Mara and Jawn is like his father; he does not have the emotional makeup to stand aside, get out of the way and put an executive with a great background in charge who knows what they are doing. Dear old Dad was finally forced to step aside by his brother and the Commissioner, who stepped in and had the credibility and balls to tell Welly it was over and promise George Young that there would be no meddling. You think the son is any different?
We've never had to be that team that switches coaches every two years and gets a new QB every three and re-tools the whole deal - until now.
So, in my mind you give Danny a little more room and you give JJ a little more room and maybe even Graham - maybe you make Garret the scapegoat - and hope we can have some continuity and improvement.
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Wins do this organization zero good at this point...other than giving Mara excuses to stay with the status quo. Loses won't bother me until Gettleman is fired and Garrett and Graham are gone.
They're symptoms.
We need the Maras to get out of personnel. I think now that that's such a huge issue I'd almost rather deal with another year of Gettleman and company if it meant the Maras were no longer interfering.
... almost. I still want them gone though.
Where's the evidence the Maras are interfering in personnel?Do you really think John Mara, or even Chris, is meddling in day-to-day personnel decisions? Mara didn't even intervene when McAdoo benched Eli.