Get a lot of shit and deservedly so but our D-line is awful.
Wrong. Guys are doubled on it. Linebackers job in this scheme is to make plays when given a chance and they don't. They can't win one on one opportunities in pass rush situations either. How is that the DL fault?
can't even block a CB on Screen in front of him, that CB should have been pancaked
I remember a tweet by a reporter during training camp the joint practice with the Patriots where is was reported one of the coaches had Peart on the side really laying into him trying to coach his aggressive up. I think that is what we are seeing.
Not sure what Carter was doing on coverage, he stopped and looked back like he was either confused, maybe he thought he was doing the wrong thing? He left his guy open but Jackson was there with the really nice stick.
But if anybody thinks this kid is even given a chance you are kidding yourself, everything about this franchise stinks rivht now. Although I expect us to win anyway just because the Panthers suck and our QB is better. Slightly.
Garrett ALWAYS packs everyone in at the goal line and it NEVER works. How about you spread and run it down there??? They did that in New Orleans and it worked...6 yard TD run by Barkley. Let's then go back to what doesn't work and hasn't worked all season. Please fire this guy!!!!!
This team is soooo frustrating to watch! So many mistakes and undisciplined play. That’s on the team as a whole, coaches and players. It’s going to get worse if you can believe that. This team will quit if they lose this game.
On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
He has an axe to grind? Have you read your own posts?
I mean i'm not anointing the offensive line but on 4th down they didn't get pushed back, just a brutal effort from Booker. Another terrible signing. As my 4th grade travel basketball coach used to say "you're running like you're stuck in molasses"
On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
He has an axe to grind? Have you read your own posts?
The dude ant throw TDs that is a fact
RE: RE: Jones has absolutely no idea what to do in the red zone
was right there, staying in to block, but he was eligible.
Thanks for the comment, you stupid fucking moron
No problem. How is it intentional grounding, as the rule is written, if the ball passes within inches of an eligible receiver? Just because you like the outcome doesn't mean it was the right call.
That's a good throw. Slayton has to be more assertive.
Jones put that ball right on the sideline where only Slayton could get to it. Slayton has terrible instincts looking back for the ball and taking bad angles
of course it was a poor throw... but as expected, no comment from you on the one he placed in the perfect spot to move the chains that the WR flat out dropped. Only comment on the poor plays by Jones.
It is to the point where NOTHING you say can be taken seriously anymore even if you are correct.
The most disappointing development for me this season is the right side of the line. These were the guys slated to start coming out of camp, and they are demonstrably worse than the last minute guys on the left.
I cannot believe management and the staff thought they were the solution.
third and convertable and I throw the deep sideline go route which has a super low probability of being completed. Garrett does this ALL the time. He sucks!!!!!
of course it was a poor throw... but as expected, no comment from you on the one he placed in the perfect spot to move the chains that the WR flat out dropped. Only comment on the poor plays by Jones.
It is to the point where NOTHING you say can be taken seriously anymore even if you are correct.
Jason Garrett is so god damn pathetic. Every other play caller gets that in.
If you can’t score from here, you should not be an offensive coordinator. Garrett is predictable and unimaginative.
Getting tired of the garret blaming. Red zone play when you get a botched punt isn’t rocket science. You got a couple screens a couple of runs. You’re either pinching it in with you big formation or getting a good pass from a QB. Not every play is a gadget play without the d sniffing it out which leads to jones getting concussions
third and convertable and I throw the deep sideline go route which has a super low probability of being completed. Garrett does this ALL the time. He sucks!!!!!
Jason Garrett is so god damn pathetic. Every other play caller gets that in.
If you can’t score from here, you should not be an offensive coordinator. Garrett is predictable and unimaginative.
Getting tired of the garret blaming. Red zone play when you get a botched punt isn’t rocket science. You got a couple screens a couple of runs. You’re either pinching it in with you big formation or getting a good pass from a QB. Not every play is a gadget play without the d sniffing it out which leads to jones getting concussions
You're right...can't blame Garrett for the crap Oline...but can blame him for the terrible playcall where Engram is the only receiving option in the endzone. It can be both.
is making our pass defense look good. He has no feel for the game. He's also locking in on receivers.
They’re running such a weak vanilla offense. The drops aren’t helping but just like with Bridgewater, they run a very cautious low percentage offense and then throw the QB under bus. My gut says Tepper may pressure Rhule and will try to make a move for Rodgers or Wilson in off-season.
I’m a DJ fan and think that he can be a good quarterback. He showed a lot of offensive prowess during his rookie season. And then the coaching and offensive philosophy changed. He’ll never be a good quarterback under this coaching scheme. It’s clear as day how poorly this team is coached.
It's all the coaches fault. These plays get installed and they should be run until everyone knows their responsibilities...it's obvious nobody knows wtf they are doing out there.
he's still very raw. On these move passes, it doesn't look like he's sure what to do. What's WH and Solder's excuse for fucking up another stunt? Probably the 50th time they've done that over their time here.
Darnold has 4 drop passes and no McC. So it’s not him
And on the same page- Daniel J sucks
Sometimes the crazy just sucks
Why so? This is typical jones big run; bad throw in red zone and bad throw deep out; good slant throwing; too soon to say if it’ll lose them the game but that’s what I’m seeing and expecting.... how is that playing good
I still think you don't completely know what you have with him which is a bad indictment of the players and coaching that's been around him.
I remember watching the Giants preseason camp videos and there running fade routes where he's dropping the ball into a bucket.
I'd love to know how many fades they've ran in the RZ this year. And you've had Rudolph and Golladay for most of the season.
It's never 1 thing, but this year coaching is more of a let down than Jones himself.
Might be right. I don’t see an offense that plays to Jones strengths as a passer. They mix in his runs but later in game defenses can read those RPO options too easily.
For a minute there the Panthers looked like they might be starting to play competently. Nope. Our guys are hovering right around the competent line but not actually taking a step over that line.
5 points outside of the first quarter is a pretty pathetic score, but especially with the field position the Giants have been getting and all the chances they have had.
Is the ball always deflects UP. Maybe he needs some equipment adjustments and some body control training to change his angles so that balls deflect down :)
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
The offense never scores. To say the QB is part of that problem is not lazy, it's obvious.
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Par for the course for Producer who continuously produces shit from a comment standpoint.
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
+1. Anyone watching this can see (if objective) that Jones is playing pretty well. Rudolph goes out of bounds, 2 runs, and a pass play with 1 WR covered by 3 guys. What is he supposed to do. Also mistakes on the OL killing drives
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Did you expect thoughtful analysis from this guy? He watches the games on gamecast and reads the stats
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
The offense never scores. To say the QB is part of that problem is not lazy, it's obvious.
Producer you should really watch the game if you're going to comment on the game thread. I can start a thread for guys glancing at their phone if you want?
RE: I cannot believe I have spent the last 80 minutes
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
absolute mouth breathing imbecile to blame anything on Jones in this game. He has no one to play with, and every time he gets a first down some idiot gets penalized. Oh and the guy got us to the one yard line, is it his fault they couldn't run it in from there?
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
I credit him for running plays with YAC potential and not just 3 guys to the sticks. The fact that they moved the ball at all with this OL is something positive.
It's short yardage and red zone where his plan for success eludes me.
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
absolute mouth breathing imbecile to blame anything on Jones in this game. He has no one to play with, and every time he gets a first down some idiot gets penalized. Oh and the guy got us to the one yard line, is it his fault they couldn't run it in from there?
I agree, he has looked good, cannot blame him for the oline penalties. Only the folks with the campaign against Jones is really reaching.
Booker looks completely washed up and is giving the Giants nothing in the running game
Does Brightwell know how to protect the QB? I hope you realize that is the #1 priority ... right?
Yeah that is obvious but this is a bad look on Gettleman. When you have a fragile starting RB and you know backup RB is going to be very important and the your depth chart is Booker and a 6th round Rookie RB then you fucked up big time
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Darnold has thrown for 85 yds and a INT. LOL he's great.
Can't believe the KC score, and frankly record. Shows how hard it is to get back to the SB in this league. Also shows how hard it is for a QB to function with lousy OL play
RE: RE: RE: RE: The object for the QB is to score TDs
Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Can't believe the KC score, and frankly record. Shows how hard it is to get back to the SB in this league. Also shows how hard it is for a QB to function with lousy OL play
Plank you know that good QBs can overcome everything, how silly of you ;)
so a QB should be able to throw TDs on ANY play, anywhere on the field right? Schmuck.
If Rudolph had been slightly more nimble, Jones DID throw a TD jerkweed.
Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Darnold has thrown for 85 yds and a INT. LOL he's great.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The object for the QB is to score TDs
Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
I mean common sense could be a starting point, maybe.
RE: I criticized Jones briefly in this thread but you have to be an
absolute mouth breathing imbecile to blame anything on Jones in this game. He has no one to play with, and every time he gets a first down some idiot gets penalized. Oh and the guy got us to the one yard line, is it his fault they couldn't run it in from there?
Criticism is fair.
Playing football at such a low level for a consistent period of time typically means its coaching & talent. as we’ve seen from the Giants everyone takes a turn making stupid mistakes. This year, Jones is making much less of the mistakes. To me its more failure around Jones holding him back in 2021. Fair to say maybe some other QB’s would get better results but i tend to think its a small list.
So pathetic you’re trying to credit jones for a TD on a throw a could have made which Rudolph made that play. He threw in the end zone exactly once which was practically a throw away
So pathetic you’re trying to credit jones for a TD on a throw a could have made which Rudolph made that play. He threw in the end zone exactly once which was practically a throw away
Debaser...are you so used to nobody making a play on a football team? I almost expect players to make plays...
There’s no way we score many more points with this line as constructed! This team just doesn’t appear to be constructed to even be competitive next year and there’s not much that can be done, especially in Free Agency now. Might have to live with this mess for a few more years!!
pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
Injuries or not, the failure after 4 years to even build a functioning O-line with decent depth is enough to say goodbye.
Don't forget his Rb depth. When your starting RB is Barkley who is injury prone it is imperative to have good depth and the best he can do is Booker and a 6th round Rookie RB ?
pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
I expect our starting QB to throw TDs one way or the other, not check down and throw safe passes all the time and stall the offense. Jones has been bad this season and hasn't yet earned his way as a starting QB. See how I can make a point without insulting you? You should try it.
The Giants are a last place team and will compete for the worst offense in the NFL because the line is abysmal and injured, the injuries to the skill players, and Jones’s inability to make the number of plays a good quarterback needs to make.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
The Giants are a last place team and will compete for the worst offense in the NFL because the line is abysmal and injured, the injuries to the skill players, and Jones’s inability to make the number of plays a good quarterback needs to make.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
What plays would a good Qb make today that Jones is not making ? All i am seeing is drops by this crappy set of skill players . Is it his fault also that they can't catch a football ?
pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
Easy to tell who played & understands football here. And thats not to say if you didn’t play you do not understand football, but you typically have a little more respect for how intricate and nuanced the game is. Easy to say “Giants are bad” or “Jones needs more TD’s” but typically problems are multi-layered.
I don't get to watch any of the games, and I'm sure not going to waste my money streaming them, but this is just.....abysmal. I always root for them to win, and I've finally reached the stage where the losing doesn't bother me anymore.
RE: RE: I see why I spent years avoiding game threads
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
Engram does suck tho
Yeah he does. But criticize him for what he actually does and doesn’t do. Just waiting for an opportunity to scream your emotional thoughts is ridiculous.
teams have poor OLs, which are preventing them from doing anything on offense. Neither team has really tried anything deep because their OL can't block well enough to let long developing plays happen. Both running games are also essentially stagnant.
So Judge said he needs to keep doing the dirty runs because
one of them will turn into a big run? Is he serious? Waste how many plays to try and get one big one. Booker is awful. He is not going to do it for you.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
Engram does suck tho
Yeah he does. But criticize him for what he actually does and doesn’t do. Just waiting for an opportunity to scream your emotional thoughts is ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't think too many people think he wasn't interfered with...but it's just frustrating to watch the ball bounce off his hands...whether he was touched or not. Happens way too much.
pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
Easy to tell who played & understands football here. And thats not to say if you didn’t play you do not understand football, but you typically have a little more respect for how intricate and nuanced the game is. Easy to say “Giants are bad” or “Jones needs more TD’s” but typically problems are multi-layered.
It's not that complicated. A QB needs to produce. I wouldn't mind today's lack of production if we weren't already a bottom two offense in the NFC. Our offense sucks and the QB is a huge part of that. But it's ok, we're only in year three of this Jones nightmare.
pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
O k you win man. Jones needs protection every play where he can throw quick slants to receivers with three feet of separation. Then when they get to the red zone garret needs some type of trick play or a TE gets a little dump off and break a tackle and score. Otherwise it’s garret fault ; oline fault ; rb fault ; every one else’s fault. I guess if you think QB is 1/11 of an offense then we’re good here fire everyone but jones who is paying great since he didn’t throw a pick
The Giants are a last place team and will compete for the worst offense in the NFL because the line is abysmal and injured, the injuries to the skill players, and Jones’s inability to make the number of plays a good quarterback needs to make.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
What plays would a good Qb make today that Jones is not making ? All i am seeing is drops by this crappy set of skill players . Is it his fault also that they can't catch a football ?
You are correct on that and difficult to judge. How do you evaluate Jones when everyone was healthy? Is he an exceptional QB? Is he a Super Bowl QB? Unless it’s ok to have mediocre athletes and get a few wins.
Yeah, I don't think too many people think he wasn't interfered with...but it's just frustrating to watch the ball bounce off his hands...whether he was touched or not. Happens way too much.
For me, it was not even that. Yes he was interfered with bu that is not the issue. What I wanted people to see was his route running in the first place. He actually ran TO the defender who was standing still. He easily could have done ANYTHING else to make sure he was open.
The Giants are a last place team and will compete for the worst offense in the NFL because the line is abysmal and injured, the injuries to the skill players, and Jones’s inability to make the number of plays a good quarterback needs to make.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
Mostly agree but this year i’m not seeing Jones leave a lot of plays out on the field. With that said i’m not locked into Jones as the long term QB here, but they have other more pressing issues that can be fixed and if you find someone with substantially higher upside then make a move.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The object for the QB is to score TDs
Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, this sounds like the middle.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
What a difference ging from Toney and Shepard who can get YAC
Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
Hi jomps, thanks for the civil reply. We should be blowing this team out. They're bad and making a lot of mistakes.
and good things happen...what a surprise. Of course Garrett won't learn from this. Next time we are inside the 10 yard line it will be all bunched up with two tight ends.
Blandino can’t see the shin WTF would he even say that?!
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He's going to get better ya know. Kind of want him to be a Giant when he does.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
No. Bad NFL teams are still significantly better than bad college football teams.
Not surprising when the best receiver you're putting on the field couldn't start for another NFL team, and Jason Garrett only calls running plays inside the 10.
It helps that we’re not playing against Mahomes or Rodgers
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He's going to get better ya know. Kind of want him to be a Giant when he does.
Not knocking Jones at all. Too bad for him he's never had a quality team around him.
Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
Hi jomps, thanks for the civil reply. We should be blowing this team out. They're bad and making a lot of mistakes.
You're not gonna see any different from me.
And I agree, HT box score should read at least 14x3 for us, the one thing I think no one can deny is the heart of this kid, he is by far the player that cares the most in this roster. And he is alone.
Season looks and feels lost, but I do hope we win today, maybe a miracle vs the big bad Chiefs gives us something worth watching thru Nov and Dec.
This might be the worst broadcast for a game that I have watched. That includes the homers covering the Red Sox/Yankee game on ESPN years ago and that woman with the weird voice.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
But don’t forget about 3 weeks ago we had threads from people saying they were jealous of them. That Tepper is brilliant because he uses analytics in business and gave Rhule the keys to the kingdom. Oh, and that they are brilliant for getting Sam Darnold on the cheap.
But don’t forget about 3 weeks ago we had threads from people saying they were jealous of them. That Tepper is brilliant because he uses analytics in business and gave Rhule the keys to the kingdom. Oh, and that they are brilliant for getting Sam Darnold on the cheap.
You had to know it was going south when Rhule said in a press conference that they’ve got to stop letting Sam Darnold throw the ball so much.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
The point is with the team that has been on the field with him for most of his career, it's impossible to know what he is. Swap him in for Brady and let's see what he does. Or Stafford. People talked about how Stafford the same way when he was with the Lions. Are they saying that now that he has a team around him?
But don’t forget about 3 weeks ago we had threads from people saying they were jealous of them. That Tepper is brilliant because he uses analytics in business and gave Rhule the keys to the kingdom. Oh, and that they are brilliant for getting Sam Darnold on the cheap.
100%
Not sure what’s so impressive about Matt Rhule so far.
He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
The point is with the team that has been on the field with him for most of his career, it's impossible to know what he is. Swap him in for Brady and let's see what he does. Or Stafford. People talked about how Stafford the same way when he was with the Lions. Are they saying that now that he has a team around him?
Case in point, Jones outplaying Mahomes today. Mahomes has Hill and Kelce. Let's swap them for Engram and Pettis or Slayton.
I'd even say great. He alone ended 2 of their drives, it won't show on the stat sheet but he was huge today. Probably still gonna need him one more time.
RE: RE: Why is there a penalty on the Giants on every ST play ?
Mahomes knocked out of the game today, he might not play. Plus the Chiefs look really bad this year, TBH.
But our OTs might be Solder and Cunningham. That would leave only Jones, Engram and Hernandez out of our top 13 or 14 guys on offense. (Not counting Solder since he would be at left tackle instead of right.) Let that sink in.
I'm 63. I can't ever remember any NFL team losing that many of its starters and top subs on offense. And remember, we're down to left guard No. 4. Parcells first team was hammered by injuries but they were spread out across O and D. The silver lining in that was that a bunch of young guys got to play and get experience, leading to success down the road. I don't see Pettis, Johnson, or anyone other backups who are getting time on O because of injuries as young backups who will become key players down the road.
RE: RE: RE: At Chiefs next week on a Monday night....
Mahomes knocked out of the game today, he might not play. Plus the Chiefs look really bad this year, TBH.
But our OTs might be Solder and Cunningham. That would leave only Jones, Engram and Hernandez out of our top 13 or 14 guys on offense. (Not counting Solder since he would be at left tackle instead of right.) Let that sink in.
I'm 63. I can't ever remember any NFL team losing that many of its starters and top subs on offense. And remember, we're down to left guard No. 4. Parcells first team was hammered by injuries but they were spread out across O and D. The silver lining in that was that a bunch of young guys got to play and get experience, leading to success down the road. I don't see Pettis, Johnson, or anyone other backups who are getting time on O because of injuries as young backups who will become key players down the road.
Peart came back, Shep could be back, ...Isaiah Wilson?
The guy is such a bonehead. Over/Under one completely wrong or just made up facts is 42.5.
Because they suck wang
On their own .... 35?
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Noticeable steep drop off in crowd enthusiasm from last week in here.
Yeah this place is dead.
Still no freaking cell service though
Because they suck wang
Still starting Ximines and Carter.
You can take out “Logan Ryan” from that sentence and replace it with 8-10 different names.
looks like the only player on D who gives a shit
Also why does everyone think this guy Darnold sucks
I only saw him against the raiders when the jets upset and early this year but he looked like a decent nfl qb
Wrong. Guys are doubled on it. Linebackers job in this scheme is to make plays when given a chance and they don't. They can't win one on one opportunities in pass rush situations either. How is that the DL fault?
that is just stupid. You are saying that a better pick would have been Darnold.
Dont need to fire everyone 5 minutes into the game.
Nice stop by the defense, but Carolina did a lot of dinking and dunking and still moved the ball pretty well, especially on the ground.
Still starting Ximines and Carter.
No worries about these two. They’ll be part of old regime and swept out at end of season.
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Still starting Ximines and Carter.
No worries about these two. They’ll be part of old regime and swept out at end of season.
Should start Ojulari and let him get game experience. We know these two jokers don't have anything, maybe Ojulari develops into something.
I like the slayton pass too.
the booker run, not so much.
I'm no booker fan...but Solder didn't touch his man...who tackled booker
To get tackled with no room to run
that's 100% on the coaching staff
to run into a wall with no blocking, are you dumb?
Yes!!!
I remember a tweet by a reporter during training camp the joint practice with the Patriots where is was reported one of the coaches had Peart on the side really laying into him trying to coach his aggressive up. I think that is what we are seeing.
can't block, can't catch, can't run a route, can't break a tackle...what makes you say he's a JAG?
He has more tackles and TFL, sacks than the HOFer Tomlinson.
No one wants our trash. lol.
I’m sure the owners see it! That’s the biggest way of showing displeasure.
yes
My name for him is Mute Button
Pop you in the mouth for 60 minutes or whatever Judge said in the second paragraph of his address.
Not sure what Carter was doing on coverage, he stopped and looked back like he was either confused, maybe he thought he was doing the wrong thing? He left his guy open but Jackson was there with the really nice stick.
=D
I'm looking forward to seeing him next year built up a bit more, he has good instincts but a tad bit light so he doesnt have a strong bull rush yet.
Go get a $19.99 Goose Island.
You're a masochist.
He doesn't look fast...he looks like he tries to run through contact though...more than I can say about Barkley
Consider who they are practicing against..
OL is a problem you put Jones in a competant team, like a NE or New Orleans, he would be good
The idiot could’ve paralyzed himself with that stupidity.
Terrible tackling by Carolina on that drive.
Could barely stay upright. Might get called back lol
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I'm looking forward to seeing him next year built up a bit more, he has good instincts but a tad bit light so he doesnt have a strong bull rush yet.
If he can bulk up
Just this once. Don't think you can do it again.
It is all about the OL and the play calling
He hasn’t been bad here. I can think of a million other things wrong besides. Rudolph.
the next play will be a jump ball when we throw to him
x 2
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
I AM DYING.
Well, that certainly was a predictable playcall. Not sure why you don't just run Penny
Garrett: I'm a predictable dipshit
Judge: Oh okay
Seriously
When you have no WRs and everyone stacked on the line, it is virtually impossible to run against all of the bodies that are standing in front of you.
Pass to the punter!!
3 regimes didn't like Gallman apparently dating back to his rookie year with McAdoo
Right side wide open.
PLAY BRIGHTWELL!!!!!!
exactlty... bring 2 WRS in there. Send someone in motion.. then run off of that if you want
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
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it have been better just to resign Gallman for a lot less instead of signing Booker?
3 regimes didn't like Gallman apparently dating back to his rookie year with McAdoo
Agreed. I'm not sure why. He ran hard for us last year, and would have been a lot cheaper than Booker.
PLAY BRIGHTWELL!!!!!!
you think that was Booker's fault? you are absolutely horrible
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it have been better just to resign Gallman for a lot less instead of signing Booker?
The laugh is on them. Booker stinks, Barkley makes cameos. No RB.
3 regimes didn't like Gallman apparently dating back to his rookie year with McAdoo
He literally had a pass to Rudolph and he bitched out.
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He hasn't made one TD pass into the end zone this year. He absolutely has no idea how to pass there.
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
Yeah. Let’s blame Jones. Unbelievable
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On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
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no spread at all, completely predictable.
exactlty... bring 2 WRS in there. Send someone in motion.. then run off of that if you want
Agreed. Lining up in an obvious run formation, and then running twice out of it. Change it up.
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He hasn't made one TD pass into the end zone this year. He absolutely has no idea how to pass there.
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
Yeah. Let’s blame Jones. Unbelievable
what do you expect from worstfeature?
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He hasn't made one TD pass into the end zone this year. He absolutely has no idea how to pass there.
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
Exactly. What’s changed done his rookie season? Here’s a hint…it’s not Jones.
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On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
He has an axe to grind? Have you read your own posts?
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fucking stinks.
Right side wide open.
I mean i'm not anointing the offensive line but on 4th down they didn't get pushed back, just a brutal effort from Booker. Another terrible signing. As my 4th grade travel basketball coach used to say "you're running like you're stuck in molasses"
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He hasn't made one TD pass into the end zone this year. He absolutely has no idea how to pass there.
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
Exactly. What’s changed done his rookie season? Here’s a hint…it’s not Jones.
How is that on Jones, one pass play with only one throwing option which was doubled?
If you can’t score from here, you should not be an offensive coordinator. Garrett is predictable and unimaginative.
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its crazy how we keep signing shit RB like jonathan stewart and booker its crazy
PLAY BRIGHTWELL!!!!!!
you think that was Booker's fault? you are absolutely horrible
NYM172 you should probably refrain from making comments about football moving forward. that was dumb
I blame the coach who’s got a talent deficient unit and should be scheming his players to succeed. Why do we pay him?
Ironically not so bad under the last coaching staff..
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its crazy how we keep signing shit RB like jonathan stewart and booker its crazy
PLAY BRIGHTWELL!!!!!!
you think that was Booker's fault? you are absolutely horrible
NYM172 you should probably refrain from making comments about football moving forward. that was dumb
Rory.. it is what we expect from him now. Virtually every comment he makes is just stupid.
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On another team ? Still waiting for jones to throw TDs in right windows
I mean..he just threw a TD...but the corpse of a player stepped out
Serious with this ? Is was a little screen and Rudolph broke a tackle ; should have been tackled behind the line of scrimmage
You obviously have some ax to grind to pump up jones. How many times do we see that throw ten feet over some receivers head? Put it where he can catch it and can’t get picked up too like an nfl qb
He has an axe to grind? Have you read your own posts?
The dude ant throw TDs that is a fact
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He hasn't made one TD pass into the end zone this year. He absolutely has no idea how to pass there.
He had like 10-12 TD and 0 INT his rookie season and throws a solid fade. The playcalling sucks in the red zone.
Going back to his days at Duke, his best redzone throw is the fade. I have no idea why we didn't even ATTEMPT one since his rookie season.
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its crazy how we keep signing shit RB like jonathan stewart and booker its crazy
PLAY BRIGHTWELL!!!!!!
you think that was Booker's fault? you are absolutely horrible
NYM172 you should probably refrain from making comments about football moving forward. that was dumb
Rory.. it is what we expect from him now. Virtually every comment he makes is just stupid.
lol!
Thanks for the comment, you stupid fucking moron
are you serious? It was not 4th down
It was third down, so they would have punted and we'd be pointless.
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and then punch it in for 7?
are you serious? It was not 4th down
ah. i was distracted.
Darnold sucks now? What is that four dropped passes already and no McCafé
He’s toast and needs to be on the bench not starting!
What are you watching?
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was right there, staying in to block, but he was eligible.
Thanks for the comment, you stupid fucking moron
No problem. How is it intentional grounding, as the rule is written, if the ball passes within inches of an eligible receiver? Just because you like the outcome doesn't mean it was the right call.
At least in Sills case the play was clean. Hit him in the hands and he dropped it.
Agreed. Get the first down, especially for an offense that is missing so many of its starters and is struggling.
Jones put that ball right on the sideline where only Slayton could get to it. Slayton has terrible instincts looking back for the ball and taking bad angles
2nd & 6: dropped pass
3rd down: don't convert
of course it was a poor throw... but as expected, no comment from you on the one he placed in the perfect spot to move the chains that the WR flat out dropped. Only comment on the poor plays by Jones.
It is to the point where NOTHING you say can be taken seriously anymore even if you are correct.
I cannot believe management and the staff thought they were the solution.
Come on. That was easily several yards out of bounds and wasn’t catchable.
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That's a good throw. Slayton has to be more assertive.
Come on. That was easily several yards out of bounds and wasn’t catchable.
Several yards out of bounds?? Only the Giants WR corps has a problem tracking that ball down
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He’s toast and needs to be on the bench not starting!
cool! ok so who you replacing him with ?
Slayton had to separate there and work back to the sideline. Jones is going to throw that only where Slayton can make a play.
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That's a good throw. Slayton has to be more assertive.
Slayton had to separate there and work back to the sideline. Jones is going to throw that only where Slayton can make a play.
That pass wasn’t going to be caught in bounds. Period.
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Shit throw
of course it was a poor throw... but as expected, no comment from you on the one he placed in the perfect spot to move the chains that the WR flat out dropped. Only comment on the poor plays by Jones.
It is to the point where NOTHING you say can be taken seriously anymore even if you are correct.
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Sills V
Literally on the same page
Darnold has 4 drop passes and no McC. So it’s not him
And on the same page- Daniel J sucks
Sometimes the crazy just sucks
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Jason Garrett is so god damn pathetic. Every other play caller gets that in.
If you can’t score from here, you should not be an offensive coordinator. Garrett is predictable and unimaginative.
Getting tired of the garret blaming. Red zone play when you get a botched punt isn’t rocket science. You got a couple screens a couple of runs. You’re either pinching it in with you big formation or getting a good pass from a QB. Not every play is a gadget play without the d sniffing it out which leads to jones getting concussions
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That's a good throw. Slayton has to be more assertive.
Slayton had to separate there and work back to the sideline. Jones is going to throw that only where Slayton can make a play.
That pass wasn’t going to be caught in bounds. Period.
Ball landed in the white ir was catchable
KC defense is bad. KC will make a comeback on offense in the game.
But that’s not the only route in the play.
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Jason Garrett is so god damn pathetic. Every other play caller gets that in.
If you can’t score from here, you should not be an offensive coordinator. Garrett is predictable and unimaginative.
Getting tired of the garret blaming. Red zone play when you get a botched punt isn’t rocket science. You got a couple screens a couple of runs. You’re either pinching it in with you big formation or getting a good pass from a QB. Not every play is a gadget play without the d sniffing it out which leads to jones getting concussions
You're right...can't blame Garrett for the crap Oline...but can blame him for the terrible playcall where Engram is the only receiving option in the endzone. It can be both.
He’s bad
+1.
8-3?
They’re running such a weak vanilla offense. The drops aren’t helping but just like with Bridgewater, they run a very cautious low percentage offense and then throw the QB under bus. My gut says Tepper may pressure Rhule and will try to make a move for Rodgers or Wilson in off-season.
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As of today, these might be two of the five worst teams in the league. This is terrible football on all three levels.
+1.
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Literally on the same page
Darnold has 4 drop passes and no McC. So it’s not him
And on the same page- Daniel J sucks
Sometimes the crazy just sucks
um, what?
Peart moron.
I’m a DJ fan and think that he can be a good quarterback. He showed a lot of offensive prowess during his rookie season. And then the coaching and offensive philosophy changed. He’ll never be a good quarterback under this coaching scheme. It’s clear as day how poorly this team is coached.
Peart moron.
Wasn’t that Jones fault?
Hard to say because Slayton wasn't where he needed to be. To me the throw did look a little too far out of bounds.
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Another idiotic penalty wipes out a good play.
Peart moron.
Wasn’t that Jones fault?
This penalty is Jones' fault..
More self destruction.
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Another idiotic penalty wipes out a good play.
Peart moron.
Wasn’t that Jones fault?
This penalty is Jones' fault..
It's all the coaches fault. These plays get installed and they should be run until everyone knows their responsibilities...it's obvious nobody knows wtf they are doing out there.
Let’s go defense! Need another score by the defense!
Thought the same, got hit up high.
Next year?
Papa: "They have to 'clean it up' Carl"
That’s on Jones. He needs to explain the rules to each player in the huddle /s
Next year?
Not me.
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This team fails DJ at nearly every opportunity. It's just sad
That’s on Jones. He needs to explain the rules to each player in the huddle /s
Lol, sad that some people actually think this is true.
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Another idiotic penalty wipes out a good play.
Peart moron.
Wasn’t that Jones fault?
This penalty is Jones' fault..
As Carl Banks said on the radio. The WRs knew the call. Just don’t move. I think he knows more then we do. It was not Jones fault
Not sure he knows how to think out there once the ball is snapped. That was a rookie fuck up.
It has to be a combination of player selection AND coaching. Everyone needs to be replaced... GM, coaches and at least 3 of our offensive linemen.
The entire off season should be solely focused on improving both the OL and DL... that's it.
Jones is playing well but the players all seem to be “off”.
Games like this are the worst. They might win, but it won't be because they coached or played well, at least on offense.
"Hog Mollies "
Gettleman is lost. Fire this guy already before he starts jettisoning draft capital
Literally on the same page
Darnold has 4 drop passes and no McC. So it’s not him
And on the same page- Daniel J sucks
Sometimes the crazy just sucks
Why so? This is typical jones big run; bad throw in red zone and bad throw deep out; good slant throwing; too soon to say if it’ll lose them the game but that’s what I’m seeing and expecting.... how is that playing good
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Next year?
My God, he is so bad.
Not me.
I remember watching the Giants preseason camp videos and there running fade routes where he's dropping the ball into a bucket.
I'd love to know how many fades they've ran in the RZ this year. And you've had Rudolph and Golladay for most of the season.
It's never 1 thing, but this year coaching is more of a let down than Jones himself.
He's a patriots guy. That's all you need.
Ryan gets paid to suck more. Another missed tackle
I remember watching the Giants preseason camp videos and there running fade routes where he's dropping the ball into a bucket.
I'd love to know how many fades they've ran in the RZ this year. And you've had Rudolph and Golladay for most of the season.
It's never 1 thing, but this year coaching is more of a let down than Jones himself.
Might be right. I don’t see an offense that plays to Jones strengths as a passer. They mix in his runs but later in game defenses can read those RPO options too easily.
Jones is playing well but the players all seem to be “off”.
Good way of summing it up.
Finally the refs call it.
Agreed.
Amazing how many early busts or faded picks there are in that Top 10 of that draft.
Just plays like an idiot.
Now let’s fucking offense!
Weak, cautious but with a hearty dash of inept play.
Jones has better moments and looks better overall though that is not saying much.
Don't take him (and his passive-aggressive posts) seriously lol
He doesn't just look like, he is. Problem is the bar is very low here, Darnold is terrible.
Who scores a TD?
5 points outside of the first quarter is a pretty pathetic score, but especially with the field position the Giants have been getting and all the chances they have had.
unfuckingbelievable....
he sucks
Carolina keeps giving too much space for them in man coverage so might as well take them.
But you can see why Gettleman was so quick to sign him as a free agent.
Atleast it’s evolved from button hooks!!
Did you see the route? He actually ran TO THE DEFENDER.. then stopped and turned around.
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are 50% of our passing plays.
Carolina keeps giving too much space for them in man coverage so might as well take them.
Agreed.
Wait wait wait...I was told a QB like Wilson would elevate the entire team! He would definitely make sure his OL weren't running down the field...
Got it!
Harsh
Tyreek Hill does not have a catch yet
Got it!
I mean...he's a TE...not a scat back. He's supposed to protect the ball and not run to defenders
We are really criticizing Engram when he was interfered with?
And the result is intentional grounding.
Got it!
The ball hit him in the hands and it popped straight up. The point is that happens more often than not with him
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Bouncing off hands again!
We are really criticizing Engram when he was interfered with?
doesn't matter
he is sucks and hurts team over and over
invisible in red zone drops
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Bouncing off hands again!
We are really criticizing Engram when he was interfered with?
go back and look at the play.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
Our punter!
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It's still his fault.
Got it!
I mean...he's a TE..
He is not a TE. Tight ends are players who can both block and catch
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
I was wondering where you were! Hiiiii
Again - what an awful coach!
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Bouncing off hands again!
We are really criticizing Engram when he was interfered with?
go back and look at the play.
Is this serious? Someone grabs his arm as the ball gets there and you are upset it bounced off his hands?
Objectivity is dead on this board.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
Hey Producer, have you ever blamed Jones?
Yes it goes undr radar because the entire team stinks.
But, Dixon is not good.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Does Brightwell know how to protect the QB? I hope you realize that is the #1 priority ... right?
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
The offense never scores. To say the QB is part of that problem is not lazy, it's obvious.
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Baseball score -5-3!
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Par for the course for Producer who continuously produces shit from a comment standpoint.
Do we get hazard pay?
This game sucks.
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
+1. Anyone watching this can see (if objective) that Jones is playing pretty well. Rudolph goes out of bounds, 2 runs, and a pass play with 1 WR covered by 3 guys. What is he supposed to do. Also mistakes on the OL killing drives
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
Did you expect thoughtful analysis from this guy? He watches the games on gamecast and reads the stats
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
The offense never scores. To say the QB is part of that problem is not lazy, it's obvious.
Producer you should really watch the game if you're going to comment on the game thread. I can start a thread for guys glancing at their phone if you want?
Do we get hazard pay?
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
This has to be the worst run blocking OL in the NFL not much better pass blocking
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Haha this is gold
It's short yardage and red zone where his plan for success eludes me.
You are a fucking cancer on this board dude. Just do everyone a favor and go.
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Haha this is gold
Truly it is!
He threw a TD to Rudolph. But Rudolph stepped out because he has no body control and shouldn't be in the game.
I agree, he has looked good, cannot blame him for the oline penalties. Only the folks with the campaign against Jones is really reaching.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
You are a fucking cancer on this board dude. Just do everyone a favor and go.
get a grip and get a script for xanax. i pity your family if my innocuous comments set you off to this degree.
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
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Booker looks completely washed up and is giving the Giants nothing in the running game
Does Brightwell know how to protect the QB? I hope you realize that is the #1 priority ... right?
Yeah that is obvious but this is a bad look on Gettleman. When you have a fragile starting RB and you know backup RB is going to be very important and the your depth chart is Booker and a 6th round Rookie RB then you fucked up big time
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Darnold has thrown for 85 yds and a INT. LOL he's great.
Every single failed Giants drive can be laid at the feet of a terrible offensive line
As Phil Simms has said many times, no one, no team can overcome inadequate line play
Blaming Jones for the lack of pts scored in that half shows either a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of objectivity, maybe both.
OMG I can just see 6-5 loss. And the worst part is that probably would not be rock bottom yet.
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when they play a terrible QB.
Every single failed Giants drive can be laid at the feet of a terrible offensive line
As Phil Simms has said many times, no one, no team can overcome inadequate line play
Blaming Jones for the lack of pts scored in that half shows either a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of objectivity, maybe both.
When can we expect TDs from this QB. it's year 3. This would be fine if he had 16 TDs in the other 6 games.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
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when they play a terrible QB.
Every single failed Giants drive can be laid at the feet of a terrible offensive line
As Phil Simms has said many times, no one, no team can overcome inadequate line play
Blaming Jones for the lack of pts scored in that half shows either a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of objectivity, maybe both.
I don’t understand how all 3 OL coaches are incapable of teaching them how to defend a twist/stunt
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Spags better watch out. I could see Reid throw him to the wolves.
Plank you know that good QBs can overcome everything, how silly of you ;)
If Rudolph had been slightly more nimble, Jones DID throw a TD jerkweed.
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Can't blame that on Jones. Not on Jones. Not Jones' fault.
yet we score no points. Is that on Jones?
“The offense didn’t score so the quarterback must be playing like crap” is quite frankly lazy analysis. Point out to the rest of us where he shit the bed this far today.
He’s not making plays and is too timid. Darnold on that roll out; tough throw in a tight window. Also on the 3 rd and long and even on the pick. Jones need three feet of separation on a slant or he’ll throw it away it 10 feet over someone’s head. He is just a mediocre game manager
Darnold has thrown for 85 yds and a INT. LOL he's great.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
I mean common sense could be a starting point, maybe.
Criticism is fair.
Playing football at such a low level for a consistent period of time typically means its coaching & talent. as we’ve seen from the Giants everyone takes a turn making stupid mistakes. This year, Jones is making much less of the mistakes. To me its more failure around Jones holding him back in 2021. Fair to say maybe some other QB’s would get better results but i tend to think its a small list.
If you think that's good enough, maybe you are the one with poor critical thinking faculties.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
+1
You are a fucking cancer on this board dude. Just do everyone a favor and go.
Debaser...are you so used to nobody making a play on a football team? I almost expect players to make plays...
If you think that's good enough, maybe you are the one with poor critical thinking faculties.
Jones does need to improve, but the playcalling doesn’t help
If you think that's good enough, maybe you are the one with poor critical thinking faculties.
just stop, Jones is missing literally his entire starting offense. get real kid
He's stealing money
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when they play a terrible QB.
Every single failed Giants drive can be laid at the feet of a terrible offensive line
As Phil Simms has said many times, no one, no team can overcome inadequate line play
Blaming Jones for the lack of pts scored in that half shows either a lack of critical thinking, or a lack of objectivity, maybe both.
Go back and read what I wrote, genius. I was talking about the GIANTS defense and DARNOLD.
But by all means, take offense for Jones even though I didn’t mention him.
#rd down , Solder doing what he does best and being a professional turnstile.
The people who are criticizing Jones what the fuck do you want him to do here ?
Yes
I wish DG was as good as being a GM as he is at being overly confident.
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in 6.5 games.
If you think that's good enough, maybe you are the one with poor critical thinking faculties.
just stop, Jones is missing literally his entire starting offense. get real kid
Technically, he had 4 TD passes with his starting offense. He has none without it.
#rd down , Solder doing what he does best and being a professional turnstile.
The people who are criticizing Jones what the fuck do you want him to do here ?
Agreed.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
You get full credit for that response.
and JJ special teams continues to be penalized.
Don't forget his Rb depth. When your starting RB is Barkley who is injury prone it is imperative to have good depth and the best he can do is Booker and a 6th round Rookie RB ?
Hey, I'm told Judge was once a special teams coach. Gotta be a bad rumor.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
I expect our starting QB to throw TDs one way or the other, not check down and throw safe passes all the time and stall the offense. Jones has been bad this season and hasn't yet earned his way as a starting QB. See how I can make a point without insulting you? You should try it.
It’s been Oline issues all day, very undisciplined play. Have to help DJ out with quick hitters, etc. he’s got to get rid of the ball faster.
Pretty sure we are the crappier team
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
and JJ special teams continues to be penalized.
Speaks to how good Burrow must have been.
I’ve had enough of the Belichick coaching tree.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
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WTF.......there’s one aspect of this team that should be solid and it’s not STs!
Hey, I'm told Judge was once a special teams coach. Gotta be a bad rumor.
Only time I recall the Giants having good special teams was when they had Renya Thompson and Dave Megget.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
Engram does suck tho
I’ve had enough of the Belichick coaching tree.
At least he had a winning season last year!
its gotten so bad I feel numb...the product on the field sucks.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
What plays would a good Qb make today that Jones is not making ? All i am seeing is drops by this crappy set of skill players . Is it his fault also that they can't catch a football ?
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
Easy to tell who played & understands football here. And thats not to say if you didn’t play you do not understand football, but you typically have a little more respect for how intricate and nuanced the game is. Easy to say “Giants are bad” or “Jones needs more TD’s” but typically problems are multi-layered.
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this is the epicenter of football stupid.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
Engram does suck tho
Yeah he does. But criticize him for what he actually does and doesn’t do. Just waiting for an opportunity to scream your emotional thoughts is ridiculous.
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this is the epicenter of football stupid.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
Engram does suck tho
Yeah he does. But criticize him for what he actually does and doesn’t do. Just waiting for an opportunity to scream your emotional thoughts is ridiculous.
Yeah, I don't think too many people think he wasn't interfered with...but it's just frustrating to watch the ball bounce off his hands...whether he was touched or not. Happens way too much.
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pretty obvious who they are. They know squat about football.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
Easy to tell who played & understands football here. And thats not to say if you didn’t play you do not understand football, but you typically have a little more respect for how intricate and nuanced the game is. Easy to say “Giants are bad” or “Jones needs more TD’s” but typically problems are multi-layered.
It's not that complicated. A QB needs to produce. I wouldn't mind today's lack of production if we weren't already a bottom two offense in the NFC. Our offense sucks and the QB is a huge part of that. But it's ok, we're only in year three of this Jones nightmare.
Aaron Rogers had a TD today where Adams caught it at the five and ran it in. Guess that doesn't count, right? Gotta be a throw into the end zone. Jones had 1 opportunity on the rollout, 1 receiver in the pattern triple covered, but Jones should have been able to squeeze the ball in. Producer and Debaser- you are both either 12 or total douches.
O k you win man. Jones needs protection every play where he can throw quick slants to receivers with three feet of separation. Then when they get to the red zone garret needs some type of trick play or a TE gets a little dump off and break a tackle and score. Otherwise it’s garret fault ; oline fault ; rb fault ; every one else’s fault. I guess if you think QB is 1/11 of an offense then we’re good here fire everyone but jones who is paying great since he didn’t throw a pick
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The Giants are a last place team and will compete for the worst offense in the NFL because the line is abysmal and injured, the injuries to the skill players, and Jones’s inability to make the number of plays a good quarterback needs to make.
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
What plays would a good Qb make today that Jones is not making ? All i am seeing is drops by this crappy set of skill players . Is it his fault also that they can't catch a football ?
You are correct on that and difficult to judge. How do you evaluate Jones when everyone was healthy? Is he an exceptional QB? Is he a Super Bowl QB? Unless it’s ok to have mediocre athletes and get a few wins.
No matter what is happening, the anti-Jones and pro-Jones trolls make everything about Jones.
Make fun of Darnold? A pro-Jones troll attacks because he is in such a religious fervor about Jones he can’t imagine someone is not talking about him.
Engram is interfered with and doesn’t make the catch…”wow he sucks!!!!
90% of Game threads posts are emotional responses in the heat of the moment.
He’s terrible.
Yeah, I don't think too many people think he wasn't interfered with...but it's just frustrating to watch the ball bounce off his hands...whether he was touched or not. Happens way too much.
For me, it was not even that. Yes he was interfered with bu that is not the issue. What I wanted people to see was his route running in the first place. He actually ran TO the defender who was standing still. He easily could have done ANYTHING else to make sure he was open.
Not surprised. He was hit by four guys
Trying to pin this down to one guy, is like figuring out what destroyed the house the night there was a hurricane, tornado, and fire.
Mostly agree but this year i’m not seeing Jones leave a lot of plays out on the field. With that said i’m not locked into Jones as the long term QB here, but they have other more pressing issues that can be fixed and if you find someone with substantially higher upside then make a move.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
Lol I laughed
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
great play should be fifteen helmet to helmet
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
The truth is somewhere in the middle, this sounds like the middle.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
I honestly hate this fucking guy. Why on earth did Mara ever think he was any good??
when half of the people in this game thread know what we are likely going to call... then so does the defense.
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
Tell me how a QB “elevates” his left tackle?
Yup.
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
It's football. Jones is gonna get hit no matter what.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
Hi jomps, thanks for the civil reply. We should be blowing this team out. They're bad and making a lot of mistakes.
fuck yes
Jason Garrett went to Princeton.
That’s not a check mark in that school’s win column.
To maximize Jones’ upside, he really has to go into harms way.
And, man, that Mahomes guy really stinks, 9/15 for 85 yards and an Int.
We have no chance to win if he does not run....period
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Getting hit way too much on this drive
We have no chance to win if he does not run....period
Touchdown bitch!
100%
He was great on that drive. Now figure out how to do it more than once
That's a touchdown, Mr. Franklin.
Not if we stack the box again
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Getting hit way too much on this drive
We have no chance to win if he does not run....period
Agreed.
Hey refs, if it takes 30 minutes to dissect, the play should stand
Jason Garrett wants to run it behind Tyron Smith and Jason Witten.
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
lol i laughed
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He's going to get better ya know. Kind of want him to be a Giant when he does.
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
Since Week 4.
Yup!
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
No. Bad NFL teams are still significantly better than bad college football teams.
Lol. Or the one that almost got us one more win before finishing 1-16
Shhhh
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in a few weeks?! Isn’t it?
Since Week 4.
OMFG! That’s horrendous
DG will start trading picks for players tomorrow.
kicking it was the right move... two score game
Not surprising when the best receiver you're putting on the field couldn't start for another NFL team, and Jason Garrett only calls running plays inside the 10.
And if we didn’t convert it would only be a one score game. Not a good idea.
Shockingly bad.
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Get up by 10....
And if we didn’t convert it would only be a one score game. Not a good idea.
Defense has played well enough to be 4-3 this year. I refuse to blame the defense for this season.
Dude this game isn’t over yet!! Let’s really see who is bad.
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Or we've become the 85 Bears. I don't know which one though.
Defense has played well enough to be 4-3 this year. I refuse to blame the defense for this season.
You’re kidding, right?
remember the guy this morning here in BBI who wished Darnold lit us up today so it can be rubbed into DGs nose?
Yes. Thought the same thing. Referred to wrong players several time, even on other team.
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
He's going to get better ya know. Kind of want him to be a Giant when he does.
Not knocking Jones at all. Too bad for him he's never had a quality team around him.
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Not throw pretty passes over the middle and have drives stall. You don't see a problem here?
Watch the game, please watch the fuckin game!
I'm watching. He's fine. It's not enough.
So you expect some Hurculean effort or it's not good enough. I think you've stated your case here, we get it!
I'm expressing my opinion. Just as you express yours. Is there some limit to the rules on mine, and not on yours? Why are you so upset? Are you a child? Or a grown man?
Hi Producer, how are you?
You should express your opinion, after all it is the reason why spaces like this exist I guess. And you are in the majority side I believe, most ppl think Jones isn't the guy.
And we get it, if you would hear my suggestion it's just that now it sounds like a broken record. We've never talked to each other, and I know exactly how you feel about our QB. You're a vocal poster.
Some people won't like it just because we all already know your opinion on this, it doesn't need validation, or at least you shouldn't think it does.
Anyway, most here just wanna root for us to win today, that's all. And I believe you do too.
Hi jomps, thanks for the civil reply. We should be blowing this team out. They're bad and making a lot of mistakes.
You're not gonna see any different from me.
And I agree, HT box score should read at least 14x3 for us, the one thing I think no one can deny is the heart of this kid, he is by far the player that cares the most in this roster. And he is alone.
Season looks and feels lost, but I do hope we win today, maybe a miracle vs the big bad Chiefs gives us something worth watching thru Nov and Dec.
This might be the worst broadcast for a game that I have watched. That includes the homers covering the Red Sox/Yankee game on ESPN years ago and that woman with the weird voice.
But if unsuccessful it's a one score game.
We are only seven weeks in and he’s taken a beating.
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
shame..another quarter of a second and thats a td
We are only seven weeks in and he’s taken a beating.
That could easily happen unfortunately.
Well, that’s the first I’m hearing of this!
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Well, that’s the first I’m hearing of this!
It is huh?! 😅
I can understand going up 2 TD’s when you are possibly dealing with Solder and Cunningham at OT
You had to know it was going south when Rhule said in a press conference that they’ve got to stop letting Sam Darnold throw the ball so much.
I'll give him credit for adapting but also it just shows what we are dealing with today
Carolina needs 2 TDs to win it. It was the right call to go up by 12.
I'll give him credit for adapting but also it just shows what we are dealing with today
+1.
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
The point is with the team that has been on the field with him for most of his career, it's impossible to know what he is. Swap him in for Brady and let's see what he does. Or Stafford. People talked about how Stafford the same way when he was with the Lions. Are they saying that now that he has a team around him?
injured
Like eh fuck you. To the bench you go.
seriously? you seriously wanted us to go for it considering the score and our history on 4th down. i mean what the fuck man.
100%
Not sure what’s so impressive about Matt Rhule so far.
We're about to find out
Who are any of these guys on either team?
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That makes sense; the commentators were saying stuff about his knee that might have been aggravated by Peppers sacking him.
Yes he did.
Yup, nice to see big Dex making his mark
Hopefully the later
he is not the ST coach...
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He is an average QB who can win games on a stacked team, be middle of the road on a mediocre team, and lose on a bad team (which is what he has largely done here).
He isn’t a bottom 10 QB. He is not a top 10 QB. He is an average QB. If he was a 3rd round pick he would be playing as expected. For the 6th overall pick you e pact to get a guy who elevates the team and makes the “wow” plays. He doesn’t do that.
If Gettleman had built a better roster around him he could be enough to run this offense successfully. But the team around him is garbage and he can’t elevate it with his skill set.
100% agree. Excellent perspective.
Is it possible, with all the injuries on offense, that the Giants team Jones is dealing with is worse in the NFL than his Duke was in the NCAA?
Possible.
It’s year number 3. His improvement from this point will likely be marginal. There is not some sort of straight line projection where QBs get better every year forever.
The point is with the team that has been on the field with him for most of his career, it's impossible to know what he is. Swap him in for Brady and let's see what he does. Or Stafford. People talked about how Stafford the same way when he was with the Lions. Are they saying that now that he has a team around him?
Case in point, Jones outplaying Mahomes today. Mahomes has Hill and Kelce. Let's swap them for Engram and Pettis or Slayton.
On Holmes again.....he’s got sticky hands and gets called for holding quite a bit.
this is how the D was supposed to play.
It’s what makes them special
I'd even say great. He alone ended 2 of their drives, it won't show on the stat sheet but he was huge today. Probably still gonna need him one more time.
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Judge is supposed to be a ST coach yet they are sloppy as hell
he is not the ST coach...
Still a bad look when that is supposed to be his area of expertise
its not Judges ST its Thomas McGaughey ST. You think Judge with HC responsibilities has time to focus on that.
You think?
You think?
No. No I don't.
You think?
At chiefs on a Monday night, forget it!
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or at least one of the two is probably better than we may think.
You think?
At chiefs on a Monday night, forget it!
Mahomes just got carried off the field after taking a shot to the helmet
he was practically on the bench
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or at least one of the two is probably better than we may think.
You think?
At chiefs on a Monday night, forget it!
Mahomes just got carried off the field after taking a shot to the helmet
He walked off with help but under his own power. He wasn’t carried off.
Was wondering if the success is more Jones or scheme or something else?
He’s gotten used to it!
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or at least one of the two is probably better than we may think.
You think?
At chiefs on a Monday night, forget it!
Mahomes just got carried off the field after taking a shot to the helmet
He walked off with help but under his own power. He wasn’t carried off.
Mahommes throws a TD from the turf while his leg was being amputated by Andy Reid
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Was wondering if the success is more Jones or scheme or something else?
looks more designed today. he's not scrambling...he rolling out. imo
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Was wondering if the success is more Jones or scheme or something else?
The only games we won are those where we called plays where Jones can use his legs
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Was wondering if the success is more Jones or scheme or something else?
looks more designed today. he's not scrambling...he rolling out. imo
Makes sense to run away (roll out) from this O line with all the injuries.
My neighbor's dog is relieved to have a Sunday where I do not run outside to kick him..
Mahomes knocked out of the game today, he might not play. Plus the Chiefs look really bad this year, TBH.
HC is 3-4 now, and Mahomes is getting killed. Knocked out of the game todaay
lmfao
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We are going to win! This is so unusual. Hie does one act?
My neighbor's dog is relieved to have a Sunday where I do not run outside to kick him..
Hahahahahaha
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We are going to win! This is so unusual. Hie does one act?
My neighbor's dog is relieved to have a Sunday where I do not run outside to kick him..
Hahahahahaha
LOL... poor dog.
Yup, Adoree too today
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We are going to win! This is so unusual. Hie does one act?
My neighbor's dog is relieved to have a Sunday where I do not run outside to kick him..
Hahahahahaha
I didn’t know where that sentence was going until the final two words.
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We are going to win! This is so unusual. Hie does one act?
My neighbor's dog is relieved to have a Sunday where I do not run outside to kick him..
Hahaha. When did you stop beating your wife?
;>)
Should the Panthers fire Rhule?
Oof
Relax. Jones is just going to hand the ball off on every play.
But they have a rough month ahead. 2-9 isn’t out of question by Thanksgiving.
speaking of Piranha, where's that dude? "tiki missle" will never die.
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Azeez Ojulari 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits and 3 tackles for loss. Quite the game. #Giants
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Azeez Ojulari 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits and 3 tackles for loss. Quite the game. #Giants
Yep, good to see. Been along while since someone other than Williams put up a game like that
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Azeez Ojulari 2.5 sacks and 4 QB hits and 3 tackles for loss. Quite the game. #Giants
Defensive Player of the Week Candidate?
Did they give Ojulari of credit for that initial sack?
I think Ojulari has a 3 sack game.
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Did they give Ojulari of credit for that initial sack?
I think Ojulari has a 3 sack game.
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Get ready for a National embarrassment!
Mahomes knocked out of the game today, he might not play. Plus the Chiefs look really bad this year, TBH.
But our OTs might be Solder and Cunningham. That would leave only Jones, Engram and Hernandez out of our top 13 or 14 guys on offense. (Not counting Solder since he would be at left tackle instead of right.) Let that sink in.
I'm 63. I can't ever remember any NFL team losing that many of its starters and top subs on offense. And remember, we're down to left guard No. 4. Parcells first team was hammered by injuries but they were spread out across O and D. The silver lining in that was that a bunch of young guys got to play and get experience, leading to success down the road. I don't see Pettis, Johnson, or anyone other backups who are getting time on O because of injuries as young backups who will become key players down the road.
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Get ready for a National embarrassment!
Mahomes knocked out of the game today, he might not play. Plus the Chiefs look really bad this year, TBH.
But our OTs might be Solder and Cunningham. That would leave only Jones, Engram and Hernandez out of our top 13 or 14 guys on offense. (Not counting Solder since he would be at left tackle instead of right.) Let that sink in.
I'm 63. I can't ever remember any NFL team losing that many of its starters and top subs on offense. And remember, we're down to left guard No. 4. Parcells first team was hammered by injuries but they were spread out across O and D. The silver lining in that was that a bunch of young guys got to play and get experience, leading to success down the road. I don't see Pettis, Johnson, or anyone other backups who are getting time on O because of injuries as young backups who will become key players down the road.
Peart came back, Shep could be back, ...Isaiah Wilson?
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should be a candidate for defensive player of the week. Another sack. Great game.
Did they give Ojulari of credit for that initial sack?
I think Ojulari has a 3 sack game.
Not sure.
Darnold sneaked across the line for a 1 yard gain on that initial series.