after such a rough outing last week against the Rams. While his bottom line stats don't jump out at you, he performed at a very high level, especially with so many starters out of the line-up.
Perhaps most impressive was his 3rd Quarter TD drive, starting with the ball first and 10 at the Giants 25. It started with a stretch run to the left with Booker which turned out to be a fake with Jones doing a reverse pivot to his right. One problem -- he only had Kyle Rudolph trying to seal Bryan Burns, which failed. But Jones eluded Burns, faking him out, continued running to his right and then threw a 15-yard strike to Darius Slayton right at the sideline for a first down.
And then on third and 13 at the 42-yard line, Jones took a low snap, has to step up into the pocket, and then drifts to his right finding Booker for a 15-yard gain and another first down.
And then, of course, the end around pass that Daniel Jones hauled in with one hand (good for 16 yards and another first down) -- and best of all, he holds onto the ball after former Giant Sean Chandler puts a huge hit on him.
There was also Jones bobbing and weaving for 6 yards and then he executes a beautiful pitch option to Devonte Booker that froze Haason Reddick and went for 11 yards and another first down. And then the coup de grace on third and 3 at the Panthers 5-yard line -- a TD pass to Dante Pettis!
Daniel Jones looked totally in control for the entire drive. Very proud to see him perform this way! And kudos to Devontae Booker as well!
Love rooting for this kid. Great athlete, fierce competitor, skilled passer.
His critics don’t like when we are happy with him, as you can tell by some of the posts.
But it feels good to celebrate a win and even they can’t dampen it today.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
He made several big plays and an awesome one handed grab. Considering he did it with a mostly JV team he Def played better than just fine.
He seems like a good kid so I'm hoping for the best.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
^^This^^
I have no idea what people expect out of Jones.
He's playing well, is obviously prepared week in and week ou,t has a very desirable skill set and it tough as nails.
Like my buddy once said, some people wouldn't be happy in heaven.
Hate to burst your bubble but he's going to be our QB next year and we won't be drafting a QB....
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Hate to burst your bubble but he's going to be our QB next year and we won't be drafting a QB....
Maybe but that’s because of the class more than it is about Jones. Hyping up his game today as something good is strange.
Reality is there are not many elite QB’s. If you can clearly upgrade you do so. I lean towards building a better team and having cost controlled QB unless truly special.
Great effort today by !
No doubt. They finally stopped the run and won on first down a good amount after the first drive.
I’m expecting a “wow” play. I’m expecting someone who can show that he can win games. I’m still waiting for what jones can do. I’m still waiting for that’s eli to placico throw to win in ot agaist the eagles. . . Still waiting for that tyree play and not the one from the SB. So far all I see is average play game manger throwing 10 yards slants and running
If he was drafted in the second round and we got a stud pass rusher or lineman at #6 — I’d say okay
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By my count he threw one bad pass all day. His line was atrocious and he was throwing to guys that wouldn’t normally be on our 53. Idk what else some people expect. If he plays poorly go ahead shit on him but at least give him credit where credit is due
I’m expecting a “wow” play. I’m expecting someone who can show that he can win games. I’m still waiting for what jones can do. I’m still waiting for that’s eli to placico throw to win in ot agaist the eagles. . . Still waiting for that tyree play and not the one from the SB. So far all I see is average play game manger throwing 10 yards slants and running
If he was drafted in the second round and we got a stud pass rusher or lineman at #6 — I’d say okay
Why not pretend he was taken in the 2nd round then lol
I guess my point is after 2.5 years if you happiness has to still be based on where he was picked - something is amiss.
Either you like him after 2.5 years or don't, 1st rounder or second rounder.
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By my count he threw one bad pass all day. His line was atrocious and he was throwing to guys that wouldn’t normally be on our 53. Idk what else some people expect. If he plays poorly go ahead shit on him but at least give him credit where credit is due
I’m expecting a “wow” play. I’m expecting someone who can show that he can win games. I’m still waiting for what jones can do. I’m still waiting for that’s eli to placico throw to win in ot agaist the eagles. . . Still waiting for that tyree play and not the one from the SB. So far all I see is average play game manger throwing 10 yards slants and running
If he was drafted in the second round and we got a stud pass rusher or lineman at #6 — I’d say okay
Why not pretend he was taken in the 2nd round then lol
I guess my point is after 2.5 years if you happiness has to still be based on where he was picked - something is amiss.
Either you like him after 2.5 years or don't, 1st rounder or second rounder.
Because his 5th year option is based on where he was picked?
When you control for playing without most of his top weapons, and behind a shaky OL, Jones's play today is pretty impressive, even without the eye-catching stats.
When you control for playing without most of his top weapons, and behind a shaky OL, Jones's play today is pretty impressive, even without the eye-catching stats.
If you ignore the first 2.5 quarters sure
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
LOL - Garret's play calling was ATROCIOUS. the goal line calls in the first quarter was pathetic. and the call to pass to Jones to put him in harms way? Awful.
The Panthers didn't have a top offense. I expected a low scoring game. But they do have a solid defense starting with Chinn, Burns, and Reddick. And Jones was the main catalyst to the offense scoring 23 points with PS level guys around him.
The Panthers didn't have a top offense. I expected a low scoring game. But they do have a solid defense starting with Chinn, Burns, and Reddick. And Jones was the main catalyst to the offense scoring 23 points with PS level guys around him.
Hurts has a terrible game against the Bucs but gets like 2 garbage time TDs and he's a good QB. Jones makes no mistakes and is a game manager with no offense and he sucks. I fucking hate BBI posters.
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
LOL - Garret's play calling was ATROCIOUS. the goal line calls in the first quarter was pathetic. and the call to pass to Jones to put him in harms way? Awful.
Yeah, those calls were awful, but so was execution.
I didn't mind the flea flicker to Jones but what was up with the called runs UP THE MIDDLE with DJ???? There was at least two of those.
Sure the moving pocket was nice but it was almost a necessity versus the CAR defense.
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
LOL - Garret's play calling was ATROCIOUS. the goal line calls in the first quarter was pathetic. and the call to pass to Jones to put him in harms way? Awful.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
+1
Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this and spend more time constructively.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
+1
Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
Look, Jones managed the game pretty well. His QBR was 43. Certainly not glowing, but in the average range.
Once it became clear our D was in complete control of Darnold, which was established early, Jones needed to stay clean with the ball and trust the calls. Which he seemed to do.
Our staff completely outcoached Rhule, Brady and Snow.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
All things considered it was a good day. Enjoy and focus less on the stat line and what was accomplished with what was available today.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
All things considered it was a good day. Enjoy and focus less on the stat line and what was accomplished with what was available today.
But it wasn’t a good day, you guys are being blinded by your fandom.
If the defense wasn’t good today the Giants get blown out.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Much better than last week.
Much better than last week.
Eh, the bad team argument is more relevant to the D. The Panthers are a bad team because of their O, not their D, and Jones was playing with no one on O.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
So now we are grading Jones based on his ability to catch the ball? It was a trick play. Let's focus on the traditional plays a QB has to make. Thanks.
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Against a bad team.
Much better than last week.
Eh, the bad team argument is more relevant to the D. The Panthers are a bad team because of their O, not their D, and Jones was playing with no one on O.
They didn’t have their best defender and captain. Shaq Thompson. We saw what a loss can do when we lost Martinez.
Plus you’re right - their offense was wretched
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
But that's not the point. Jones didn't need to be special today. He needed to do what he did - manage the game and let the Panthers implode.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Hey look we got an NFL General Manager on BBI.
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He was ok. Nothing great
Hate to burst your bubble but he's going to be our QB next year and we won't be drafting a QB....
With two 1st's.....Sign me up for best OL/DL prospects
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Hey look we got an NFL General Manager on BBI.
Closer than you’ll ever be.
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
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"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
So now we are grading Jones based on his ability to catch the ball? It was a trick play. Let's focus on the traditional plays a QB has to make. Thanks.
It’s bbi logic. Jones is nothing special as a QB; he is effort but no skill ; but as long as he’s showing he’s putting in 110 percent; takes a hit , makes a run or a trick play. It’s good sugar high.
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Nothing to do with my fandom. I’ve been critical of Jones. I also know how difficult the position is and much more so with limited personnel.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
game manager - lol - how many game managers make that reception?
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Complimentary football. D stepped up and O didn’t do anything to put them in bad spots.
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Nothing to do with my fandom. I’ve been critical of Jones. I also know how difficult the position is and much more so with limited personnel.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
game manager - lol - how many game managers make that reception?
What’s a play that the Giants likely will never run again have to do with his ability to play QB?
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
It was a good play from Jones.
Who cares, though?
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Being in the industry? Wtf? Aren’t you a low level agent or some shit that likes to try to rub elbows with more prominent agents in the hopes they give you some gossip? Desperately following them around looking for attention? You don’t know shit about what other teams around the league are laughing at. Just as you say the league is laughing, the real agents are surely laughing at you as well. See how that works? Also, no matter how “connected” you pretend to be, that doesn’t do anything to verify your football acumen. Being a failed agent only confirms your stat geek status even more.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Being in the industry? Wtf? Aren’t you a low level agent or some shit that likes to try to rub elbows with more prominent agents in the hopes they give you some gossip? Desperately following them around looking for attention? You don’t know shit about what other teams around the league are laughing at. Just as you say the league is laughing, the real agents are surely laughing at you as well. See how that works? Also, no matter how “connected” you pretend to be, that doesn’t do anything to verify your football acumen. Being a failed agent only confirms your stat geek status even more.
It’s not pretend and I’m not a failure but what ever makes you feel better about the Giants
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
You’re very sensitive.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
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feed the troll (Ajr).
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
Can you just enjoy one victory? You very stupid eunuch.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
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feed the troll (Ajr).
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
Can you just enjoy one victory? You very stupid eunuch.
Sorry “enjoying one win” from a bad football team doesn’t excite me like some. I’d rather see a consistently good football team. Only been asking for a decade.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
Less subjective than the Giants fan base thinking today was good.
lol
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
I think you are confused. Giants are top ten in blitz percentage and 31st in pressure rate. I would give your left nut for top ten in pressure rate lmao, dolt.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
I think you are confused. Giants are top ten in blitz percentage and 31st in pressure rate. I would give your left nut for top ten in pressure rate lmao, dolt.
He’s talking about on offense
lol
It is almost as if rooting for a team and getting some joy of winning is second to their own demagoguery.
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The shit on Jones patrol out in full force on this thread? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
lol
It is almost as if rooting for a team and getting some joy of winning is second to their own demagoguery.
It's not almost like that, it is that!
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
There is subjectivity in the evaluation of the play - yes. Multiple analysts are used for every evaluation to avoid one view. It's not foolproof, but, IMV, is more valuable than Passing Rating.
If you want to go YPA, Jones was light a 6.2. And his AY/A was even lighter at 5.4. But those stats don't account for KG or SS being injured.
Playing the Texans and Jets can skew anyone’s numbers.
The Cowboys and Vikings lit them up.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
When DJ passes for 300 yards and loses - DJ sucks
When DJ passes for 300 yards and wins - no comment, will engage next week
When DJ passes for 200 yards and wins - its the opponent sucks
When DJ passes for 200 yards and loses - get rid of him
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
B/c the OL either kept making dumb penalties (seriously - how hard is it for a NFL lineman to know where the line of scrimmage is) or could not block inside the 2 yard line. That’s not on Jones.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the
negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
We hear your last sentence every year, how’s that worked out?
Everyone seems to be ignoring that this game was 5-3 for almost 75% of it. The “explosion” was scoring on three very short fields and only getting a touchdown on one of them. Sorry that’s not impressive.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
B/c the OL either kept making dumb penalties (seriously - how hard is it for a NFL lineman to know where the line of scrimmage is) or could not block inside the 2 yard line. That’s not on Jones.
Both the illegal men down field penalties were on RPOs so those are partially on the pass not getting thrown quick enough.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
It was a good play from Jones.
Who cares, though?
Who cares?! It let to a fucking win, you idiot.
But carry on with your agenda. Douchebag...
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the
negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
We hear your last sentence every year, how’s that worked out?
Everyone seems to be ignoring that this game was 5-3 for almost 75% of it. The “explosion” was scoring on three very short fields and only getting a touchdown on one of them. Sorry that’s not impressive.
Neither of my last sentences has happened. Finishing 1-16(Bad) or closing the year strong with a record around or over .500(good) so I don't know how it's worked out. look, be miserable that they won, that's on you!
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
It was a good play from Jones.
Who cares, though?
Tell us more about how the Giants lost the game in the first quarter in a game they lost by 24 points.
Your agenda is so fucking tired....
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
The fact that numnbuts relies on stats that support his boy, but ignores the stats that support jones....
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the
negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
We hear your last sentence every year, how’s that worked out?
Everyone seems to be ignoring that this game was 5-3 for almost 75% of it. The “explosion” was scoring on three very short fields and only getting a touchdown on one of them. Sorry that’s not impressive.
Neither of my last sentences has happened. Finishing 1-16(Bad) or closing the year strong with a record around or over .500(good) so I don't know how it's worked out. look, be miserable that they won, that's on you!
You missed the concert that statement like your have happened every year. And here we are bad again.
He seems like a good kid so I'm hoping for the best.
I don’t know how someone can say that after today. Not that I’m saying he’s the guy, but you’re gonna say this today? He had the worst offensive personnel in the game out there today and somehow scored 20plus in a winning effort. Jones was so far and away the best offensive player on the field today, both teams, but today you’re convinced he’s not a great player?
I still don’t know for sure about jones. I kill jones too but games like today give me pause.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
The fact that numnbuts relies on stats that support his boy, but ignores the stats that support jones....
What? Lamar Jackson is a better QB, has double the TDS this year despite missing his LT and all his RBS for the whole year. How is one decent but not great game from Jackson a referendum on Jones being good today?
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
The fact that numnbuts relies on stats that support his boy, but ignores the stats that support jones....
What? Lamar Jackson is a better QB, has double the TDS this year despite missing his LT and all his RBS for the whole year. How is one decent but not great game from Jackson a referendum on Jones being good today?
Because asshole tried to downplay Jones today, "well, his QBR is only 43"....
Your missing the point, which is not surprising. Only asshole brings up Jones QBR rating for a game he won.
Once again, is MO is clear - try to discredit Jones, even on a day he was an integral part of the win.
His - and Terps - agenda is so fucking tiresome...
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The Ravens didn’t get blown out because of Lamar. You’re not making any point containing to bring up Lamar. When Jones performs week in and week out like him, you can start comparing their QBR to help Jones’ case.
Your missing the point, which is not surprising. Only asshole brings up Jones QBR rating for a game he won.
Once again, is MO is clear - try to discredit Jones, even on a day he was an integral part of the win.
His - and Terps - agenda is so fucking tiresome...
His QBR is relevant. The fact it was 12-3 until they were given short fields is relevant. The fact if the defense didn’t play good we’re talking about how Jones didn’t do much while they were blown out instead of being hyped over a slightly below average performance. The only one missing anything is you.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
The fact that numnbuts relies on stats that support his boy, but ignores the stats that support jones....
What? Lamar Jackson is a better QB, has double the TDS this year despite missing his LT and all his RBS for the whole year. How is one decent but not great game from Jackson a referendum on Jones being good today?
You wanted the pissing match. As usual no one is allowed to even hint pt any praise for jones. Now you’re gonna go bananas because the exalted lamar jackson name was even uttered, like saying candy man in the mirror three times. No one is saying jones is jackson but now you’re gonna go ape shit. Just fucking save it. Jones played well today but you and the hit brigade need to mince every word here and save BBI from itself.
Jones played well today. It’s not that fucking hard to say.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?
The fact that numnbuts relies on stats that support his boy, but ignores the stats that support jones....
What? Lamar Jackson is a better QB, has double the TDS this year despite missing his LT and all his RBS for the whole year. How is one decent but not great game from Jackson a referendum on Jones being good today?
You wanted the pissing match. As usual no one is allowed to even hint pt any praise for jones. Now you’re gonna go bananas because the exalted lamar jackson name was even uttered, like saying candy man in the mirror three times. No one is saying jones is jackson but now you’re gonna go ape shit. Just fucking save it. Jones played well today but you and the hit brigade need to mince every word here and save BBI from itself.
Jones played well today. It’s not that fucking hard to say.
Who is going ape shit? I didn’t bring up Jackson initially. Has anyone said Jones played bad? The overwhelming sentiment from “the hit brigade” is that he was fine but not didn’t play this great game and put the team on his backs like your ilk is saying.
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The Ravens didn’t get blown out because of Lamar. You’re not making any point containing to bring up Lamar. When Jones performs week in and week out like him, you can start comparing their QBR to help Jones’ case.
Your missing the point, which is not surprising. Only asshole brings up Jones QBR rating for a game he won.
Once again, is MO is clear - try to discredit Jones, even on a day he was an integral part of the win.
His - and Terps - agenda is so fucking tiresome...
His QBR is relevant. The fact it was 12-3 until they were given short fields is relevant. The fact if the defense didn’t play good we’re talking about how Jones didn’t do much while they were blown out instead of being hyped over a slightly below average performance. The only one missing anything is you.
Holy fucking shit! HIs QBR is not relevant - he won the game! His precious QBR would have been better if not for the three huge drops. Or the first TD counted that came off the board.
But again, who fucking cares? They won! The only people who bring up his QBR in a game that he won are fucking douchebags who have an anti-Jones agenda...
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. He's going to be re-signed to a long term deal in the near future!
Jones played well today. It’s not that fucking hard to say.
Yes it is. At least for two douchebags on this thread...
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The Ravens didn’t get blown out because of Lamar. You’re not making any point containing to bring up Lamar. When Jones performs week in and week out like him, you can start comparing their QBR to help Jones’ case.
Your missing the point, which is not surprising. Only asshole brings up Jones QBR rating for a game he won.
Once again, is MO is clear - try to discredit Jones, even on a day he was an integral part of the win.
His - and Terps - agenda is so fucking tiresome...
His QBR is relevant. The fact it was 12-3 until they were given short fields is relevant. The fact if the defense didn’t play good we’re talking about how Jones didn’t do much while they were blown out instead of being hyped over a slightly below average performance. The only one missing anything is you.
Holy fucking shit! HIs QBR is not relevant - he won the game! His precious QBR would have been better if not for the three huge drops. Or the first TD counted that came off the board.
But again, who fucking cares? They won! The only people who bring up his QBR in a game that he won are fucking douchebags who have an anti-Jones agenda...
Because beating Carolina in a game like this doesn’t mean much to the smart football fans on here. Take your Giants bias out of it for a moment. QBR factors in those drops, that’s been explained to you already.
His QBR is relevant because you don’t win many games where your QB has a 43 QBR.
We’re now giving him credit for a TD that wasn’t a TD? Jesus man.
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Jones played well today. It’s not that fucking hard to say.
Yes it is. At least for two douchebags on this thread...
He played fine.
But who cares?
Again, we are without the majority of our starting OL, and our top 5 offensive playmakers.
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Jones played well today. It’s not that fucking hard to say.
Yes it is. At least for two douchebags on this thread...
See the difference between us and your ilk like FMIC is we don’t have to resort to name calling.
Then - we go out and take care of business today with arguably the worst injuries to an offense in the entire NFL, and yet….posters still want to bitch.
Again, we are without the majority of our starting OL, and our top 5 offensive playmakers.
They averaged barely over a first down a possession, where did they move the ball well? Outside of the first TD drive they didn’t have have a drive over 40 yards before that.
You can enjoy the win, but you don’t have to fabricate stuff.
The season has long been over. There’s no run coming from this team.
I mean that’s literally the definition of being a fair weather fan. And not a true fan of the Giants.
Go root for another team, in all honesty. It’s embarrassing.
Don’t have to root hard. They’ll come pretty easily.
For the Giants, yes actually; it usually has been over after 7 games this past decade. It is again this year. They'll win 5 or 6 games and the same saps will say the arrow is pointing up because they put together some meaningless wins.
That's fine for fans who don't do much thinking. The problem is the owner can count himself in that group as well.
If they turn it around and win 10 games and go to the playoffs, then I'll admit I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. But until that actually happens I'm just going to keep assuming the team sucks.
I'm not going to get excited over going 5-12 or even 7-10 instead of 3-14. The Giants themselves prove every year that momentum is not carried over year to year with each pathetic start.
I don't give a shit that they won today. Nearly all of these players are going to be elsewhere in four years. I doubt a player on this roster is part of the next Giants playoff win.
This season is already over. It's big picture time now. And I am rooting for losses because our owner was stupid enough to hire Gettleman and he's stupid enough to bring him back next year because of piddly shit like today's win.
I got them by paying several thousands of dollars for the seat license. I do love the Giants. what you say doesn’t change that, asswipe.
I’ve had my fandom, been called a failure in my career, and probably been called more names than I can think of for daring to be critical of this team over the last decade. That’s more toxic to this board than people having the opinion that Jones was ok but not spectacular today.
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who cares? The fans of the Giants care. Does the season end after 7 games? Jesus man.
For the Giants, yes actually; it usually has been over after 7 games this past decade. It is again this year. They'll win 5 or 6 games and the same saps will say the arrow is pointing up because they put together some meaningless wins.
That's fine for fans who don't do much thinking. The problem is the owner can count himself in that group as well.
If they turn it around and win 10 games and go to the playoffs, then I'll admit I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. But until that actually happens I'm just going to keep assuming the team sucks.
I'm not going to get excited over going 5-12 or even 7-10 instead of 3-14. The Giants themselves prove every year that momentum is not carried over year to year with each pathetic start.
I don't give a shit that they won today. Nearly all of these players are going to be elsewhere in four years. I doubt a player on this roster is part of the next Giants playoff win.
This season is already over. It's big picture time now. And I am rooting for losses because our owner was stupid enough to hire Gettleman and he's stupid enough to bring him back next year because of piddly shit like today's win.
No, the season isn’t over. They have 10 games left. Some winnable, some probable losses. But we played well enough to beat a decent team today without our entire starting offense.
Forgive us as Giants fans if we’d like to see how our team does and fights through adversity for these next 6-7 games.
Jones played a good game. He managed the game well and gave them a chance to win. Saying he somehow carried the team is insulting to a defense that allowed 3 points.
The Jones trolls (pro and con) really seem to have stopped watching the Giants so they can just attribute everything positive or negative to him alone.
4 years??? Sorry - I’m not looking at 2025 right now and seeing what the Giants roster will look like. Who gives a shit. We are trying to win games now. Period.
I’ve had my fandom, been called a failure in my career, and probably been called more names than I can think of for daring to be critical of this team over the last decade. That’s more toxic to this board than people having the opinion that Jones was ok but not spectacular today.
There was a thread during the preseason asking what was acceptable to not blow up the front office and the roster. I gave a reasonable answer: 10-7 and a playoff appearance. No excuses. No bullshit.
Here we are at 2-5. If the Giants finish 8-2 and make the playoffs I swear to you I will shut up and not be critical about Gettleman, Jones, Barkley, or anyone else on this team. That will impress me. Honestly.
Anything short of that and they can fuck off.
I said if Jones doesn’t show us good to very good QB play then he likely isn’t the answer.
Forgive me but I thought there were 10 games left on the year.
I said if Jones doesn’t show us good to very good QB play then he likely isn’t the answer.
Forgive me but I thought there were 10 games left on the year.
The fact you think it’s still and “if” makes you an eternal optimist. Not a hard concept to grasp.
All about their shitty narrative.
This nonsense about who is and who isn’t a fan is childish idiocy. Nobody is coming to this board consistently who isn’t a Giant fan.
But there are a lot of people out of their depth talking football that like to revert to this nonsense instead.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Because asshole tried to downplay Jones today, "well, his QBR is only 43"....
I'm not trying to downplay Jones's play. But I'm not overrating it either like some of you are. So I brought up QBR - and YPA and AY/A - to show that Jones had a decent effort as measured by some pretty good metrics.
If you want to think today's game was Jones's Mt Everest moment, and he's now on the verge of becoming elite, than I can only suggest you start watching other current elite QBs around the league to get a better understanding of what elite play actually looks like.
It's not an enormous ask. 10-7 isn't even that good a record. It's not like I'm saying go win the NFC. Go win 10 games.
Enough with the excuses and moral victories. Enough.
Just your starting QB and nobody else, we are on the same
Page. If you can’t admit that it’s hard to do that, there’s no discussion here.
Some of you are just miserable and glad I didn't have to hear from the blow hard Producer.
Just your starting QB and nobody else, we are on the same
Page. If you can’t admit that it’s hard to do that, there’s no discussion here.
I don't want to hear it. They went into Dallas at 1-4, and they were going to get their dicks kicked in in that one whether or not any injuries hit.
Go win games.
I haven't moved the goalposts. I said 10 wins before the season started. Go do it. 10 games left. If you want me to believe the season isn't over I've got to see it, because this team ate threw its benefit of the doubt years ago.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
Lol what a mongloid
Jones missing 3 starting linemen(and most of their back ups) , 3 starting receivers, and starting running back. “I don’t want to hear about injuries”
Let’s take any QB. Remove the starting center, LG, LT. The top 3 receivers, and top RB and see if they can win let alone perform at all against a good D like the panthers.
There has not been one game this year the O has even been close to full strength.
Jones missing 3 starting linemen(and most of their back ups) , 3 starting receivers, and starting running back. “I don’t want to hear about injuries”
Let’s take any QB. Remove the starting center, LG, LT. The top 3 receivers, and top RB and see if they can win let alone perform at all against a good D like the panthers.
There has not been one game this year the O has even been close to full strength.
Confirmation bias is why.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Here's the problem...you think you're a great fan because you support the team when they suck, when they win meaningless games, and when you get excited over wins against 3-4 teams (2 of those wins were against the Jets and Texans). The point of every NFL season is to crown a Super Bowl Champion...not crown a "most improved" or "best team to finish strong after a 1-5 start"...but..but...but..every game matters. No it doesn't. Teams don't get up to play a 1-5 team, they get up to play the team who's been in the SB the last 2 years. KC gets everyone's best effort...the Giants rarely do. Wanna know why the Chiefs are struggling...because they're a measuring stick...the Giants don't scare anybody. Wanna know why the Giants win games they shouldn't...teams look past them because they inspire no real interest.
You have a loser mentality...you accept mediocrity (or worse in this case), without any rational thought about how it could get better. You root for wins that perpetuate the insanity..it's the same mindset of the folks who run this shitshow.
The goal of EVERY team, EVERY year should be to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl...not finish 8-9...but...but...but...if we just improve and win, we'll be better next year. History tells us that's bullshit...but...but...but...injuries!...but...but...but...the offense was clicking in New Orleans?!?!? Just ignore the 0-3 (with no injuries) start and the first half of the Saints game. According to your logic, the season started in the 2nd half in New Orleans. The great Daniel Jones woke up and now he's a franchise QB...and the Giants are great again, you just wait and see! Without the injuries this team is still getting it's ass kicked by the Rams and Cowgirls. There are winners and losers...the Giants are losers, no matter how hard you root for them.
Every Giant fan (other than a few) know it's not just the team...its the organizational culture. If the culture doesn't change, the team won't either. 6 wins this year most likely sets the organization back another 4-5 years with Abrams being promoted...but...but...but...at least we won 6 games, right?
You can't see the forest for the trees. Hell, you can't even see past your nose! Keep rooting for losing seasons. Keep rooting for wins that will keep the status quo. It's what losers do....
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Here’s the thing man - there’s a big difference between just saying “anything other than 10-7 is unacceptable” and then being a realistic fan and reacting to what is occurring during the season.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Here's the problem...you think you're a great fan because you support the team when they suck, when they win meaningless games, and when you get excited over wins against 3-4 teams (2 of those wins were against the Jets and Texans). The point of every NFL season is to crown a Super Bowl Champion...not crown a "most improved" or "best team to finish strong after a 1-5 start"...but..but...but..every game matters. No it doesn't. Teams don't get up to play a 1-5 team, they get up to play the team who's been in the SB the last 2 years. KC gets everyone's best effort...the Giants rarely do. Wanna know why the Chiefs are struggling...because they're a measuring stick...the Giants don't scare anybody. Wanna know why the Giants win games they shouldn't...teams look past them because they inspire no real interest.
You have a loser mentality...you accept mediocrity (or worse in this case), without any rational thought about how it could get better. You root for wins that perpetuate the insanity..it's the same mindset of the folks who run this shitshow.
The goal of EVERY team, EVERY year should be to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl...not finish 8-9...but...but...but...if we just improve and win, we'll be better next year. History tells us that's bullshit...but...but...but...injuries!...but...but...but...the offense was clicking in New Orleans?!?!? Just ignore the 0-3 (with no injuries) start and the first half of the Saints game. According to your logic, the season started in the 2nd half in New Orleans. The great Daniel Jones woke up and now he's a franchise QB...and the Giants are great again, you just wait and see! Without the injuries this team is still getting it's ass kicked by the Rams and Cowgirls. There are winners and losers...the Giants are losers, no matter how hard you root for them.
Every Giant fan (other than a few) know it's not just the team...its the organizational culture. If the culture doesn't change, the team won't either. 6 wins this year most likely sets the organization back another 4-5 years with Abrams being promoted...but...but...but...at least we won 6 games, right?
You can't see the forest for the trees. Hell, you can't even see past your nose! Keep rooting for losing seasons. Keep rooting for wins that will keep the status quo. It's what losers do....
Losers stay up until 3am on a work night trashing their team after a huge win.
Just like the fans hyping up a decent performance by Jones as an elite performance.
The bar, for some people, is on the floor.
Just like the fans hyping up a decent performance by Jones as an elite performance.
The bar, for some people, is on the floor.
25-3 with 3 starters left on offense is a huge win. And as bad as 2-5 sounds the teams leading the wild card race have 3 wins. And one of those teams is the Saints, who the Giants own the tie-breaker with.
It was a huge win
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
How many yards were lost by "illegal man down field" penalties? Drops (e.g Sills)? When you only look at the box's one statistics you lose all perspective on the game.
Jones and the defense dragged this team to a win today.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
How many yards were lost by "illegal man down field" penalties? Drops (e.g Sills)? When you only look at the box's one statistics you lose all perspective on the game.
Jones and the defense dragged this team to a win today.
The bar is low when you’re counting lost yards to penalties.
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Here’s the thing man - there’s a big difference between just saying “anything other than 10-7 is unacceptable” and then being a realistic fan and reacting to what is occurring during the season.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Here's the problem...you think you're a great fan because you support the team when they suck, when they win meaningless games, and when you get excited over wins against 3-4 teams (2 of those wins were against the Jets and Texans). The point of every NFL season is to crown a Super Bowl Champion...not crown a "most improved" or "best team to finish strong after a 1-5 start"...but..but...but..every game matters. No it doesn't. Teams don't get up to play a 1-5 team, they get up to play the team who's been in the SB the last 2 years. KC gets everyone's best effort...the Giants rarely do. Wanna know why the Chiefs are struggling...because they're a measuring stick...the Giants don't scare anybody. Wanna know why the Giants win games they shouldn't...teams look past them because they inspire no real interest.
You have a loser mentality...you accept mediocrity (or worse in this case), without any rational thought about how it could get better. You root for wins that perpetuate the insanity..it's the same mindset of the folks who run this shitshow.
The goal of EVERY team, EVERY year should be to make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl...not finish 8-9...but...but...but...if we just improve and win, we'll be better next year. History tells us that's bullshit...but...but...but...injuries!...but...but...but...the offense was clicking in New Orleans?!?!? Just ignore the 0-3 (with no injuries) start and the first half of the Saints game. According to your logic, the season started in the 2nd half in New Orleans. The great Daniel Jones woke up and now he's a franchise QB...and the Giants are great again, you just wait and see! Without the injuries this team is still getting it's ass kicked by the Rams and Cowgirls. There are winners and losers...the Giants are losers, no matter how hard you root for them.
Every Giant fan (other than a few) know it's not just the team...its the organizational culture. If the culture doesn't change, the team won't either. 6 wins this year most likely sets the organization back another 4-5 years with Abrams being promoted...but...but...but...at least we won 6 games, right?
You can't see the forest for the trees. Hell, you can't even see past your nose! Keep rooting for losing seasons. Keep rooting for wins that will keep the status quo. It's what losers do....
Losers stay up until 3am on a work night trashing their team after a huge win.
So pathetic that is all you got from that.
Again what’s the point of being a 6 win team? Or are you realistically thinking this team i is winning 10 in a row and makes the playoffs???
Some of us can see the forest for the trees.
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who cares? The fans of the Giants care. Does the season end after 7 games? Jesus man.
For the Giants, yes actually; it usually has been over after 7 games this past decade. It is again this year. They'll win 5 or 6 games and the same saps will say the arrow is pointing up because they put together some meaningless wins.
That's fine for fans who don't do much thinking. The problem is the owner can count himself in that group as well.
If they turn it around and win 10 games and go to the playoffs, then I'll admit I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. But until that actually happens I'm just going to keep assuming the team sucks.
I'm not going to get excited over going 5-12 or even 7-10 instead of 3-14. The Giants themselves prove every year that momentum is not carried over year to year with each pathetic start.
I don't give a shit that they won today. Nearly all of these players are going to be elsewhere in four years. I doubt a player on this roster is part of the next Giants playoff win.
This season is already over. It's big picture time now. And I am rooting for losses because our owner was stupid enough to hire Gettleman and he's stupid enough to bring him back next year because of piddly shit like today's win.
I mean all of a sudden Ojuiari is a stud after 3 weeks people bitching about him cause he didn’t get a pressure, Jones willed his team to victory (against a defense who gave up 600 yards to Minny last week and missing their best defender), Jusge had this team ready to play after they quit on him last week, etc….
Nobody here wants the Giants to lose, we just don’t want the incompetence to continue on. Losses, especially embarrassing ones will promote change. Anyone who is saying for sure DG is gone after this year doesn’t realize how loyal Mara is to him.
-His 1-2-3 receivers (!!!! Just based on this alone, any win is a miracle).
-his 1 running back
-his franchise left tackle (and starting center if we’re splitting hairs).
The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
This is rewriting history to fit your narrative. The offense was brutal before everyone got hurt in the Dallas game. For 53 minutes it was in New Orleans. Just like it was against Atlanta and Denver. So in 4 and a half games with everyone healthy we’ve had a game and six minutes of good offense.
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The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
This is rewriting history to fit your narrative. The offense was brutal before everyone got hurt in the Dallas game. For 53 minutes it was in New Orleans. Just like it was against Atlanta and Denver. So in 4 and a half games with everyone healthy we’ve had a game and six minutes of good offense.
Right because Golladay played all off-season and so did Toney. Give it a rest.
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The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
This is rewriting history to fit your narrative. The offense was brutal before everyone got hurt in the Dallas game. For 53 minutes it was in New Orleans. Just like it was against Atlanta and Denver. So in 4 and a half games with everyone healthy we’ve had a game and six minutes of good offense.
Right because Golladay played all off-season and so did Toney. Give it a rest.
The offseason has to do what anything? They still weren’t synced up in the first half of game 5? Is that really the excuse you’re going with?
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Manage expectations. Our OL is prett blah. Solder is toast and they have to leave guys in to help in pass pro on top of having three too guys out.
All things considered it was a good day. Enjoy and focus less on the stat line and what was accomplished with what was available today.
But it wasn’t a good day, you guys are being blinded by your fandom.
If the defense wasn’t good today the Giants get blown out.
This may rank in the top ten stupidest posts of all time on BBI:
"If the defense wasn't good today the Giants get blown out."
Absolute brilliance there.
You claim to have superior football intelligence a post or two later...if this is proof of your football acumen then you need to try checkers.
In any game if the defense is bad, that team loses. Ask the Chiefs and Jets(or any other team at any level).
We learned nothing.
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Manage expectations. Our OL is prett blah. Solder is toast and they have to leave guys in to help in pass pro on top of having three too guys out.
All things considered it was a good day. Enjoy and focus less on the stat line and what was accomplished with what was available today.
But it wasn’t a good day, you guys are being blinded by your fandom.
If the defense wasn’t good today the Giants get blown out.
This may rank in the top ten stupidest posts of all time on BBI:
"If the defense wasn't good today the Giants get blown out."
Absolute brilliance there.
You claim to have superior football intelligence a post or two later...if this is proof of your football acumen then you need to try checkers.
In any game if the defense is bad, that team loses. Ask the Chiefs and Jets(or any other team at any level).
Because the offense was brutal the entire day and the defense handed them the short fields at the end for the “explosion”. We’re talking about people hyping this up as some validating offensive performance when it wasn’t. The defense has been the excuse a lot this year for costing us games but seems to not get the credit for keeping the Giants in the game yesterday when they mustered a whole 5 points through 3 and a half quarters, 2 of which was scored by the defense.
Fascinating you can attack someone’s intelligence and then make the post that you did.
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The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
This is rewriting history to fit your narrative. The offense was brutal before everyone got hurt in the Dallas game. For 53 minutes it was in New Orleans. Just like it was against Atlanta and Denver. So in 4 and a half games with everyone healthy we’ve had a game and six minutes of good offense.
Right because Golladay played all off-season and so did Toney. Give it a rest.
The offseason has to do what anything? They still weren’t synced up in the first half of game 5? Is that really the excuse you’re going with?
Yes. Which is horrible in every sense. But ask yourself-what chance did we have of continuing what happened in New Orleans? Realistically you can’t say anything but “no chance.” Not one of the key players in that attack is healthy! Not one. Doesn’t mean Jones is Tom Brady but you can honestly look at it and say that. We didn’t even involve Golladay in the attack down the field basically until the Saints game.
1.DJ played a good game and for Debaser he did have a "Wow" moment with his one handed catch.
2.Defense played a good game against one of the worst QB's in the NFL who was benched in the 4th quarter.Darnold is a very bad QB.
3.Ojulari,Williams and McKinney also had very good games.Does this mean the defense has turned a corner...I doubt it.
4.For all the Sills backers their is a reason why he has always been on the PS.
As Giants fans we all know we have a talent issues on the roster on both sides of the ball due to bad drafts and FA signings. I don't think any Giant fan on BBI denies that fact. We have isuues with the owners, pro personnel dept., GM, coaches that need to be addressed this offseason. Nothing changes in that respect. You win games controlling the LOS on both sides of the ball and that is NOT this Giant roster.
But as Giants fans can we not for a couple of freaking hours enjoy a win though rare when it happens!!GEEZ!!!
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The light clicked on in the Saints game and then every single player got hurt. He’s in a lose lose situation with some of the haters-what more could he have done today with the supporting cast being what it is????
This is rewriting history to fit your narrative. The offense was brutal before everyone got hurt in the Dallas game. For 53 minutes it was in New Orleans. Just like it was against Atlanta and Denver. So in 4 and a half games with everyone healthy we’ve had a game and six minutes of good offense.
Right because Golladay played all off-season and so did Toney. Give it a rest.
The offseason has to do what anything? They still weren’t synced up in the first half of game 5? Is that really the excuse you’re going with?
Yes. Which is horrible in every sense. But ask yourself-what chance did we have of continuing what happened in New Orleans? Realistically you can’t say anything but “no chance.” Not one of the key players in that attack is healthy! Not one. Doesn’t mean Jones is Tom Brady but you can honestly look at it and say that. We didn’t even involve Golladay in the attack down the field basically until the Saints game.
This level of excuse making is embarrassing. John Ross didn’t step on the field until literally the Saints game and had the biggest down field play of the game. Spare me the offense still needed to gel halfway through game 5 excuse.
1.DJ played a good game and for Debaser he did have a "Wow" moment with his one handed catch.
2.Defense played a good game against one of the worst QB's in the NFL who was benched in the 4th quarter.Darnold is a very bad QB.
3.Ojulari,Williams and McKinney also had very good games.Does this mean the defense has turned a corner...I doubt it.
4.For all the Sills backers their is a reason why he has always been on the PS.
As Giants fans we all know we have a talent issues on the roster on both sides of the ball due to bad drafts and FA signings. I don't think any Giant fan on BBI denies that fact. We have isuues with the owners, pro personnel dept., GM, coaches that need to be addressed this offseason. Nothing changes in that respect. You win games controlling the LOS on both sides of the ball and that is NOT this Giant roster.
But as Giants fans can we not for a couple of freaking hours enjoy a win though rare when it happens!!GEEZ!!!
The Jones’ phenomenon is incredible. For whatever reason his detractors become obsessed with talking those who enjoyed the win and loved how Daniel played out of our feel good day.
Their disdain for Jones the player allows every bad play to define who he is, and downplays a game like yesterday, where the eye test made it obvious how He carried this offense, by siting statistics that often don’t tell the story ,
I don’t know how his career will play out, I rooting hard that he s the guy, but I swear some of the posters here are really hoping for his failure
Seems as if they would rather be proven correct than have him succeed.
Nobody on here is saying Jones was terrible yesterday.
He turns the ball over too much
He bird dogs recievers
He can't nagaviate the pocket
He can't thorw on the run
He can't elevate the talent around him
ETC.
It never ends ... so many people want to drool over every other QB out there ... there is one Goat Brady ... Many QBs with lots of tallent never won anything Marino, Rivers etc. ... Mahomes couldn't when his line went to crap ... As great as Eli was in the Superbowls he won because of his team ... Everyone on that team made big plays not just him ... it is a team sport
It's a shame a player has to get shit on after a win just so someone on the Internet can defend thier opinion
Nobody on here is saying Jones was terrible yesterday.
I stopped caring about this stuff a while ago, but if this really how you felt you'd say it once and the thread would be an afterthought. Instead, you are the most active poster on this thread, and want desperately to have the last say with every poster you disagree with.
Don't pull back now, you are in too deep.
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How upset people get when people say “Jones was ok and not great”.
Nobody on here is saying Jones was terrible yesterday.
I stopped caring about this stuff a while ago, but if this really how you felt you'd say it once and the thread would be an afterthought. Instead, you are the most active poster on this thread, and want desperately to have the last say with every poster you disagree with.
Don't pull back now, you are in too deep.
So I should let people attack my fandom, call me names for not being wow’d by today’s performance and just leave the thread?
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How upset people get when people say “Jones was ok and not great”.
Nobody on here is saying Jones was terrible yesterday.
I stopped caring about this stuff a while ago, but if this really how you felt you'd say it once and the thread would be an afterthought. Instead, you are the most active poster on this thread, and want desperately to have the last say with every poster you disagree with.
Don't pull back now, you are in too deep.
So I should let people attack my fandom, call me names for not being wow’d by today’s performance and just leave the thread?
No your fandom should be attacked for wanting us to lose. There is a difference between rooting for a loss (as Terps and others have posted) and rooting for a win but not being disappointed if we lose.
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How upset people get when people say “Jones was ok and not great”.
Nobody on here is saying Jones was terrible yesterday.
I stopped caring about this stuff a while ago, but if this really how you felt you'd say it once and the thread would be an afterthought. Instead, you are the most active poster on this thread, and want desperately to have the last say with every poster you disagree with.
Don't pull back now, you are in too deep.
So I should let people attack my fandom, call me names for not being wow’d by today’s performance and just leave the thread?
No your fandom should be attacked for wanting us to lose. There is a difference between rooting for a loss (as Terps and others have posted) and rooting for a win but not being disappointed if we lose.
Sorry if it hurts your feelings I’d rather they end up 3-14 instead of 4-13.
There was a thread during the preseason asking what was acceptable to not blow up the front office and the roster. I gave a reasonable answer: 10-7 and a playoff appearance. No excuses. No bullshit.
Here we are at 2-5. If the Giants finish 8-2 and make the playoffs I swear to you I will shut up and not be critical about Gettleman, Jones, Barkley, or anyone else on this team. That will impress me. Honestly.
Anything short of that and they can fuck off.
You are just being a self-righteous jerk. If you can't see that, all I can say is that I am glad I don't have to listen to you in real life.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Damn.... a sensible post. WTH?
Also thought Jones did a good job picking up his Tackles that were allowing way too much pressure. He side-stepped more than a few edge rushers to keep plays alive on his own which is a good sign of improving pocket pressure (albeit out of desperation).
The results probably aren't favorable with any extension decision but as a fan I certainly applaud his effort/desire...
Did you even watch the game?
and also nobody cares who you know or what you do, it doesnt make you more knowledgable otnjist makes you sound like a prick.
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Here’s the thing man - there’s a big difference between just saying “anything other than 10-7 is unacceptable” and then being a realistic fan and reacting to what is occurring during the season.
For example - the first loss of the year was a disaster. No excuses about that. The Washington loss - I basically put that game on Joe Judge. Say what you want about that, people can disagree with it. But it’s on him. He went conservative at two crucial parts of the game and it completely and utterly backfired, and we lost. The Atlanta loss - again - completely conservative gameplan against a team we should have beaten and we didn’t.
Now with this injury bullshit - if they go 8-9 or 9-8 are you still gonna say the team is awful? Are you still gonna say the team is terrible if they lose to the Chiefs next week without their entire starting OL and skill players? Still gonna say they suck if they lose at Tampa?
I get that we want to make the playoffs. Everyone does. And yeah - DG will not be here if they don’t.
But you can’t just continue to say “no excuses” when literally the entire offense is hurt right now. They have to play the hand their dealt. No team is gonna be good if the majority of their offense isn’t playing.
We beat the Saints on the road and the offense was cooking a bit. Then the injury wheels come off at Dallas and there’s not much you can do except keep playing, which they did today.
Damn.... a sensible post. WTH?
Agree, posters should always be able to find and use excuses. It keeps the reality people in check...
Did you even watch the game?
and also nobody cares who you know or what you do, it doesnt make you more knowledgable otnjist makes you sound like a prick.
I said four straight short fields not field goals dumbass. If you’re going to call someone names at least learn how to fucking read.
That said, Daniel played well. No TO's was huge, and he led 2 sustained drives that led to 10 pts. And the FG drive was marred by some pretty bizarre playcalling in the red zone. Rolling your QB out when inside the 5, and you have only one receiver running a pattern? That said, when your offense has scored 3 points late in the 3rd quarter, I'd temper the praise just a bit.
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did you watch a different game from us from your awesome seats? 4 straight field goals? thats impressive seeing how Gano only kicked 3 and 1 was in thr 1st half..
Did you even watch the game?
and also nobody cares who you know or what you do, it doesnt make you more knowledgable otnjist makes you sound like a prick.
I said four straight short fields not field goals dumbass. If you’re going to call someone names at least learn how to fucking read.
My mistake read it wrong, doesnt just change the fact no one cares who you know what are you do, no one cares..
but my mistake for reading it wrong
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did you watch a different game from us from your awesome seats? 4 straight field goals? thats impressive seeing how Gano only kicked 3 and 1 was in thr 1st half..
Did you even watch the game?
and also nobody cares who you know or what you do, it doesnt make you more knowledgable otnjist makes you sound like a prick.
I said four straight short fields not field goals dumbass. If you’re going to call someone names at least learn how to fucking read.
My mistake read it wrong, doesnt just change the fact no one cares who you know what are you do, no one cares..
but my mistake for reading it wrong
I don’t give a shit if you or anyone else cares who I know and what I do.
Yeah I don't think I've ever seen 2 in 1 game at any level.
History was made :-)
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
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Several observations:
1.DJ played a good game and for Debaser he did have a "Wow" moment with his one handed catch.
2.Defense played a good game against one of the worst QB's in the NFL who was benched in the 4th quarter.Darnold is a very bad QB.
3.Ojulari,Williams and McKinney also had very good games.Does this mean the defense has turned a corner...I doubt it.
4.For all the Sills backers their is a reason why he has always been on the PS.
As Giants fans we all know we have a talent issues on the roster on both sides of the ball due to bad drafts and FA signings. I don't think any Giant fan on BBI denies that fact. We have isuues with the owners, pro personnel dept., GM, coaches that need to be addressed this offseason. Nothing changes in that respect. You win games controlling the LOS on both sides of the ball and that is NOT this Giant roster.
But as Giants fans can we not for a couple of freaking hours enjoy a win though rare when it happens!!GEEZ!!!
The Jones’ phenomenon is incredible. For whatever reason his detractors become obsessed with talking those who enjoyed the win and loved how Daniel played out of our feel good day.
Their disdain for Jones the player allows every bad play to define who he is, and downplays a game like yesterday, where the eye test made it obvious how He carried this offense, by siting statistics that often don’t tell the story ,
I don’t know how his career will play out, I rooting hard that he s the guy, but I swear some of the posters here are really hoping for his failure
Seems as if they would rather be proven correct than have him succeed.
And for the Jones is God crowd, we hear that Jones willed the team to a win with a 25 point offensive explosion, even though the majority of points came late in the second half on short fields. Hell seven of the points came where they got the ball on the 19 and Jones handed it to Booker who ran it in. Some on this thread believe getting the ball at the 19 and handing it off is proof of Jones' brilliance and elite talent.
It cuts both way, Joe. I am thrilled the Giants won a game, but when you come to BBI you see a bunch of posts like this where people either a) don't understand what they saw; or b) they are so emotionally invested in being right about Jones that they attribute a team win to Jones alone.
The defense was 90% of the reason the Giants won yesterday. Jones played well. He also did it against a defense that built stats against the Jets and Texans, and then got manhandled by the Cowboys and Vikings.
We beat a middling team, which is still progress. But stop with this 'Jones as hero and savior' bullshit.
The first illegal man downfield was not the Oline's fault. It was an RPO which is a timing play. The Oline waits and then releases. The play was bogged down and the ball did not come out on time. That is a good defensive play, not an OL mistake. They can't turnaround and watch the QB during the play.
The second one on Peart was 100% his fault. He seemed lost on what he was supposed to do so he ran 3 yards downfield and pass blocked.
For one, the Panthers had a below average offense heading in and spearheaded by McCaffrey who was absent. Several bad throws and several amount of drops. The pass rush did good job albeit against a beat-up, weak line. Not sure who is the GM, but he has not done a good job rebuilding their OL so far.
As for the defense which a banged up, thinly talented Giants offense faced. They were 6th in points allowed altogether. Did they get smoked vs the Cowboys? Dak only had 188 yards. Cows had a full group of starters and not limited. They ran the ball and played tough defense. The Vikings lit them up but they also have one of the best, top five in my book, supporting cast for Kirk Cousins. Yet it gets criticized wheh a fan openly praises Jones leading a squad of JV players against a defense filled with good young talent and finishing drives which is another complaint these posters have (which is an indictment on Garrett, not the players.l overall).
Giants would have crossed the 30 plateau if Kyle Rudolph would have just extended the ball. It was an easy score that a washed player couldn't finish.
Yes I agree he did do that. But he's been playing here for what looks to be a tenured position. He's not a rookie any more. The question becomes is he like a much better Cordell Stewart type where you can see him winning games and a championship by playing wide receiver and making great odell catches or is that Garret's way of overcoming glaring deficiencies in what you would normally expect to see from a QB?
I happen to think it is last part. Maybe you think it is the first one. Or maybe you think "this team stinks anyway and Jones is someone you can cheer and watch and enjoy despite not winning games.
Recall that it took the Giants 10 years and 5 QBs to get from Simms to Eli. Miami STILL hasn't been able to replace Marino. Transitions like Favre to Rodgers or Peyton Manning to Luck are as common as winning the lottery. Having a Brady fall into your lap in the 6th round is like winning Powerball and Mega in 1 year.
We saw that. We saw Golladay yell at Jones for not getting the ball out or not doing whatever. We saw barkley rush for 60 yards vs. Atlanta. We saw them get completely killed in the 1st half against Dallas with a game that was over by half time.
Good teams do not wait until week 10 to get their act together. Good teams or maybe rusty by week 2 and winning by week 3. We know what we have. And it needs to change. I guess ome fans bought into the Judge cool aid bullshit "Oh it's a long season oh it'll get better". Barkley is way overrated. And jones if he's still throwing 11 TDs and winning .300 games needs to get benched like any QB who is not a rookie would be. Is there another player like him anywhere in the NFL? Maybe Darnold who did get benched and at least has like double the TDs ; played on 2 teams ; and got traded for a 6th round pick.
No one respects the Giants healthy or not. They go for it on 4th down to put the game away early. It sometimes comes back to hurt them like it does against Saints and Panthers but still.
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
The turnovers are down, YPA is up, movement in the pocket is certainly better.
Would like to see how he steps up his game once Thomas and some weapons are back. But he's been good.
Recall that it took the Giants 10 years and 5 QBs to get from Simms to Eli. Miami STILL hasn't been able to replace Marino. Transitions like Favre to Rodgers or Peyton Manning to Luck are as common as winning the lottery. Having a Brady fall into your lap in the 6th round is like winning Powerball and Mega in 1 year.
5 Qbs? So you're counting Kerry Collins as one of the 5 ? And Kurt Warner as well? I wish we had QBs like that now.
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rarity no matter how high in the draft they are picked. If Jones winds up average to avg+ and is a consistent starter for 10 years the Giants actually have a leg up on most of the league
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
Seriously that was what Eli was making. A guy who could have made the argument that he really was elite at one time. At one time I think the only QBs that were better than Eli were Drew Brees, Brady, and Aaron Rodgers.
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rarity no matter how high in the draft they are picked. If Jones winds up average to avg+ and is a consistent starter for 10 years the Giants actually have a leg up on most of the league
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
Seriously that was what Eli was making. A guy who could have made the argument that he really was elite at one time. At one time I think the only QBs that were better than Eli were Drew Brees, Brady, and Aaron Rodgers.
Eli was somewhere in the middle of good and elite. But Eli had the ability to go through stretches of elite play. Not many average+ QBs can do that for more than a game at a time.
I think this is a pretty good summary. Although I give more credit to Garrett for calling an effective game more than most, especially being so short-handed.
The offense took advantage of good field position generated by a defense that really strangled the Panthers. When the defense is playing as well as they did yesterday, you just take any points you can get.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
I appreciate the info.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
I appreciate the info.
So where was the ball supposed to go?
If I remember the play, he rolled out and threw a strike to a WR right at or near the maker.
If that was the pass option part of it, then I don't know how much more quickly DJ could get himself in position to make the throw.
But a win is a win. I'll take it.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
My problem is saying he carried us. Because the defense did all the grunt work.
Got to give your guy a chance to come down with it or at least pressure the defender enough to get more PI calls each week.
For goodness’s sake, LEVEL OF COMPETITION MATTERS.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
Came here to say exactly this- good post.
Good post. I think the question isn't as much "can Jones be elite" as it is "can he take a well-rounded team to a SB and win"? That should be the evaluation. If he becomes more than that, great!
In a vacuum, which this shitty season boils down to, I thought he played well. No eyepopping stats but man they have no run game if he doesnt get them going. He made the big catch. Undermanned he found guys like Pettis. I thought it was a very good day.
So where was the ball supposed to go?
If I remember the play, he rolled out and threw a strike to a WR right at or near the maker.
If that was the pass option part of it, then I don't know how much more quickly DJ could get himself in position to make the throw.
No, DJ's pass was OOB on that play. Come on, he rolled out to the right after the RPO wasn't open. He had 2 options - run or throw it away. He did neither.
The expectations around here for Jones are laughably low for a lottery pick.
I continue to be floored by those who don't expect Jones to make chicken salad. ANY QB taken in the top 10 should be expected to make chicken salad. Why else would you draft one that high?
And if you can't make chicken salad as the 6th pick, IMV, you don't deserve the next contract.
That can also be true of those praising decent or mediocre QB play. I have questions about whether Jones can be a long-term starter, but I have no problem acknowledging that he did a good job yesterday. But posters should also recognize that the score was 5-3 with one minute left in the 3rd quarter.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
Your comment tells me you don't know what the word agenda means.
Hopefully we'll have a better evaluation by the end of the season.
Go Giants!
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He missed a key long throw that should have been a TD in the second half. Against a good team, that might have led to an L. Very good QBs hit the open receiver in key moments like that.
You have to hit those wide open posts. Those are his missing TDs. Coverage breaks downs a couple times a game. You can't miss. Difference between winning and losing often.
Are you talking about the play where Price got beat immediately and Jones got smacked in the face as he threw it. He didn't miss it, Price missed it....as in the block.
Yes, I think Jones played very well considering. Could he have been better? Absolutely, but he made plays when he had to. I've liked what I've seen from Jones. I've seen enough to know that he CAN be that guy, but I haven't seen enough that he WILL be that guy. Lucky for us, we have at least 10 more games to evaluate.
He had a bad performance. So? Mahomes has more than earned his chicken salad bona fides.
Do you want me to refresh your memory of clips where Mahomes ad-libs and makes incredible play after incredible play? I don't mind. It'll be a long, long video to watch...
I thought he was fair. What agenda do I have?
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"very good" QB play
The expectations around here for Jones are laughably low for a lottery pick.
I continue to be floored by those who don't expect Jones to make chicken salad. ANY QB taken in the top 10 should be expected to make chicken salad. Why else would you draft one that high?
And if you can't make chicken salad as the 6th pick, IMV, you don't deserve the next contract.
I think you are reading it that way. I believe most people expect the #6 pick in the draft to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Pointing to him playing well yesterday doesn't mean expectations have been fulfilled, or he's earned contract #2. Jury still very much out on that. He also played with half an offense yesterday, something a lot of the top guys don't really experience.
We also don't know what contract #2 even looks like. I broke it down in the past and don't feel like doing it again but the big #2 contracts went to players with huge year 3s or year 4s - Jones isn't in line for a big deal because he hasn't earned it yet.
Unfortunately, not everyone progresses on the same line. Eli came into a MUCH better situation and had success because the defense was good and the running game was great. Jones has neither.
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and KC scored 3 pts yesterday. Where's the chicken salad?
He had a bad performance. So? Mahomes has more than earned his chicken salad bona fides.
Do you want me to refresh your memory of clips where Mahomes ad-libs and makes incredible play after incredible play? I don't mind. It'll be a long, long video to watch...
We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
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but that particular game yesterday, he played well. We all watched him play. If we can't acknowledge that, then there is an agenda.
I thought he was fair. What agenda do I have?
No idea, just we disagree on that point. What would you have liked to have seen from him?
We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
Come on, EVERY QB has a bad game. To use this as an example of Mahomes not being able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit is ridiculous. No one is saying that DJ has to make chicken salad every play of every game, but we'd like to see it once in a while.
We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
I'll use a different adjective. Mahomes played horribly.
But I feel very comfortable saying that's more the exception than the rule. So it's just bad form to bring up a transcendent player like Mahomes to make a point here.
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We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
Come on, EVERY QB has a bad game. To use this as an example of Mahomes not being able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit is ridiculous. No one is saying that DJ has to make chicken salad every play of every game, but we'd like to see it once in a while.
My point is, based on yesterday, I think Jones did just that. I don't have some agenda saying Jones is a bad pick or not the future (who knows). But yesterday with shit around him vs a decent defense, he played well. That is all.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
Really? You don't have an agenda saying Mahomes was poor yesterday? Because I thought you were trying to swindle us out of our savings. I was about to phone the FBI.
My point is, based on yesterday, I think Jones did just that. I don't have some agenda saying Jones is a bad pick or not the future (who knows). But yesterday with shit around him vs a decent defense, he played well. That is all.
As I've said, considering the circumstances, I thought Jones played pretty well, but we'll have to agree to disagree about chicken salad being a game where you're up 5-3 with 16 minutes left. Yes, he was short a bunch of guys, but that's the chicken shit people refer to. The defense repeatedly gave him a short field to work with.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
I think we all want to see him throw down the field more, question is why isn't he? Im not going to watch the all 22 so I dont know but we can speculate. I hate the Giants RZ, thats just flat out terrible.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
Do you think maybe the WR's that he's throwing to is a reason why? Golladay and Toney seem like our big play threats(although KT is more like OBJ, catch it short, take it long) and KT hasn't seen the field and Golladay has been banged up most of the season.
DJ is still learning. I'm guessing that he's trying to protect the ball and taking less chances. Theres a balance that he hasn't quite learned yet, but we've seen how good he can be throwing deep. It shouldn't be hard for him to learn that balance of taking chances and protecting the ball.
Would prefer if we could more productively talk about DJ's weaknesses and the points that he needs to improve, rather than a cheesy metaphor-standard.
Maybe on D we don't need really need linebackers. What we really need is an elite nosetackle who can make lemonade out of LB lemons?
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I found it really frustrating that the offense put up five points in the first half with such great field position.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
Do you think maybe the WR's that he's throwing to is a reason why? Golladay and Toney seem like our big play threats(although KT is more like OBJ, catch it short, take it long) and KT hasn't seen the field and Golladay has been banged up most of the season.
DJ is still learning. I'm guessing that he's trying to protect the ball and taking less chances. Theres a balance that he hasn't quite learned yet, but we've seen how good he can be throwing deep. It shouldn't be hard for him to learn that balance of taking chances and protecting the ball.
Certainly possible but I thought I saw this conservatism when Barkley/Golladay were out there. Maybe it was just too early in the year though and the plan was to let it rip later. Jones has checked the box for me on turnovers (I'm happy to throw out last week's game against the Rams). But I need to see the ability to make big plays, lead a good offense, etc.
I can't wait to get KT/Golladay back (and hopefully healthy).
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My point is, based on yesterday, I think Jones did just that. I don't have some agenda saying Jones is a bad pick or not the future (who knows). But yesterday with shit around him vs a decent defense, he played well. That is all.
As I've said, considering the circumstances, I thought Jones played pretty well, but we'll have to agree to disagree about chicken salad being a game where you're up 5-3 with 16 minutes left. Yes, he was short a bunch of guys, but that's the chicken shit people refer to. The defense repeatedly gave him a short field to work with.
Ok, but what did Jones do where you are pointing the finger at him? The guy had 10 incompletions yesterday with 2/3 drops. He missed a guy deep that was open, but was smoked because Price sucks and didn't block anyone. Jones was under duress for a large portion of the game and had to move around a lot. I'm not sure what more he could have done.
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I found it really frustrating that the offense put up five points in the first half with such great field position.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
I think we all want to see him throw down the field more, question is why isn't he? Im not going to watch the all 22 so I dont know but we can speculate. I hate the Giants RZ, thats just flat out terrible.
Yeah, I'm not watching it either, lol. I'd venture that some is on Jones himself (it's not like there are no deep options), but the play-calling is my best guess as the bigger culprit.
Would prefer if we could more productively talk about DJ's weaknesses and the points that he needs to improve, rather than a cheesy metaphor-standard.
Maybe on D we don't need really need linebackers. What we really need is an elite nosetackle who can make lemonade out of LB lemons?
He needs to throw more winning throws downfield. It's fairly simple. People see two pretty deep passes a week and think Jones has great passing ability. His ability on outs is questionable, especially deep outs, and he doesn't have great touch and accuracy on a variety of throws he needs to make. He does throw that deep overhead ball quite nicely, but that's not enough, to be honest.
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I found it really frustrating that the offense put up five points in the first half with such great field position.
Jones is much improved in his pocket presence and in protecting the football. But we still lack the big plays needed to win sustainably in the NFL. How many passes are we throwing within five yards of the line of scrimmage?
The play calling in the RZ is frustrating. The aversion to throwing the ball within the ten is awful.
Do you think maybe the WR's that he's throwing to is a reason why? Golladay and Toney seem like our big play threats(although KT is more like OBJ, catch it short, take it long) and KT hasn't seen the field and Golladay has been banged up most of the season.
DJ is still learning. I'm guessing that he's trying to protect the ball and taking less chances. Theres a balance that he hasn't quite learned yet, but we've seen how good he can be throwing deep. It shouldn't be hard for him to learn that balance of taking chances and protecting the ball.
Certainly possible but I thought I saw this conservatism when Barkley/Golladay were out there. Maybe it was just too early in the year though and the plan was to let it rip later. Jones has checked the box for me on turnovers (I'm happy to throw out last week's game against the Rams). But I need to see the ability to make big plays, lead a good offense, etc.
I can't wait to get KT/Golladay back (and hopefully healthy).
Agreed, need to see more, but def not ready to write him off like some are. He's been a lot better than he was last year, despite being in a terrible situation.
Like I said earlier, I've seen enough from DJ to know he CAN be a franchise QB, but I haven't quite seen enough from him that he WILL be a franchise QB. However, I've liked what I've seen from him so far considering all of the circumstances.
2. The WR's that have played haven't been good. Show me the team with bad WR's that throw deep successfully. KT and Golladay are both good WR's that are threats that have barely played.
3. Jones is focused on protecting the ball because thats all everyone talks about with him.
4. The playcalling is very conservative. Considering how conservative Judge seems to be, I'd guess he wants his offense being conservative too.
As in top-8? Sorry he objectively lacks the arm talent to land in that tier.
Also, it's subjective, not objective regarding your take.
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He missed a key long throw that should have been a TD in the second half. Against a good team, that might have led to an L. Very good QBs hit the open receiver in key moments like that.
You have to hit those wide open posts. Those are his missing TDs. Coverage breaks downs a couple times a game. You can't miss. Difference between winning and losing often.
Are you talking about the play where Price got beat immediately and Jones got smacked in the face as he threw it. He didn't miss it, Price missed it....as in the block.
Correct
Also, it's subjective, not objective regarding your take.
That's such a loaded stat, the main reason being that he didn't throw it a lot. Hitting .300 in 10 at bats is nice but hardly a clear, full picture.
It's well documented that the Giants were at the bottom of the league in big plays and big plays attempted.
So maybe the sample is small, but it does prove the ability is there.
39 deep passes is by far the lowest of the qualifying QBs. As a point of reference Rodgers attempted 74 passes over 20 yards. Herbert: 61
You want the guy that's accurate on a bigger volume, as a real measure of talent.
The stat shows he COULD possibly be that guy, yet his own coaching staff doesn't seem to want to test that theory.
with a JV OL to boot. unbelievable.
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they don't test it because the WR talent is so poor - is it that difficult to understand? We are talking about below JAG level guys, who are 7th or 8th on the roster, or not even rostered on good teams. But suddenly we are supposed to just let it crank?
with a JV OL to boot. unbelievable.
Yup, once Peart went down we were on to Tackle #4 coupled with basically G/C combo of of almost practice squad level players and Hernandez.
DJ isn't fumbling a lot, he isn't throwing pics alot (save for the Rams game) and when Garrett is calling something other than 12 formation he seems to make plays. Those plays are going to be limited because of the OL/WR/no Barkley. I'm sure better QB's would do better, but how much is anyone's guess.
Would prefer if we could more productively talk about DJ's weaknesses and the points that he needs to improve, rather than a cheesy metaphor-standard.
Every team has talent. It's the level of talent at issue here.
Check out the Raiders. They don't have the best OL and their receivers are still pretty unproven outside of Waller. But Carr is lighting it up and quietly having an MVP-type year.
Green Bay is playing with a stop-gap, makeshift OL right now. Bakhtiari is still out (best LT in the game) and they lost their pro bowl, Linsley, to the Chargers. And outside of Adams, who is great, I would call the rest of that receiving cast solid at best. But Rodgers continues to find answers.
Last year Herbert had the worst pass protecting OLs in the league. No problem. He had the best QBR in the league when under pressure. And killed it his rookie year.
Same with Russell Wilson. For a decade, more than anyone in the NFL, he's done considerably more with less than any player in the NFL. Some of his OLs have been just has hideous as ours at times.
Obviously Brady did it forever in New England.
After almost three years in the saddle, do you have any more faith that Jones can make chicken salad and be considered an elite-type QB to move forward with? Because that should be the conclusion if he is deserving of a longer investment. Otherwise, we need to find another solution at QB.
Herbert is a great QB and clearly an outlier, but they were 18th in PPG last year.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
What a douche!
That's fine. I'm simply pointing out the highly misleading nature of a stat being touted. But the WR were healthy early. Thomas is solid at LT. They weren't trying to throw it then either.
The one time they did, New Orleans, it worked.
Being aggressive is outside their comfort zone.
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so with all of this chicken salad talk... can someone tell me which QBs around the league are winning without talent around them so far this season? Maybe Lamar?
Would prefer if we could more productively talk about DJ's weaknesses and the points that he needs to improve, rather than a cheesy metaphor-standard.
Every team has talent. It's the level of talent at issue here.
Check out the Raiders. They don't have the best OL and their receivers are still pretty unproven outside of Waller. But Carr is lighting it up and quietly having an MVP-type year.
Green Bay is playing with a stop-gap, makeshift OL right now. Bakhtiari is still out (best LT in the game) and they lost their pro bowl, Linsley, to the Chargers. And outside of Adams, who is great, I would call the rest of that receiving cast solid at best. But Rodgers continues to find answers.
Last year Herbert had the worst pass protecting OLs in the league. No problem. He had the best QBR in the league when under pressure. And killed it his rookie year.
Same with Russell Wilson. For a decade, more than anyone in the NFL, he's done considerably more with less than any player in the NFL. Some of his OLs have been just has hideous as ours at times.
Obviously Brady did it forever in New England.
After almost three years in the saddle, do you have any more faith that Jones can make chicken salad and be considered an elite-type QB to move forward with? Because that should be the conclusion if he is deserving of a longer investment. Otherwise, we need to find another solution at QB.
I mean Aaron Rodgers is one of the best QB of all time and DeVante Adams is probably the best WR in the league or at least top 3. Brady is probably the best of all time. Hebert has Keenan Allen top 5 WR, Mike Williams, and so many other targets. You put Daniel Jones on the Chargers and I bet he looks better than here and Herbert looks worse on the Giants. I would also say Herbert OL is better than anything we have had this year.
Saying that yes all those QBs are better than Jones, but that wasn't your question. Your question is do we have faith that Jones can make chicken salad and be considered an elite-type QB to move forward with? My answer is yes for him being good to close to elite and that is good enough. Elite type QB I reserve for the top 5-7 QBs like Rodgers and Brady for example. I don't think Herbert is Elite-type yet, but could get there in a few years. I truly believe what DJ is showing this year and really about half way through last year when he started tightening up his turnovers is he can lead a rag tag team. He had an issue and worked hard to fix it and I believe with better play calling and work his redzone will be better also. We have seen him this year with all the injuries hang tough and be great when he had some fire power (saints game when Thomas, Gollady, Barkley, and Toney were all healthy). Injuries, horrible Defense, and horrible play calling in the redzone have been what has affected our win total the most. Yes he needs to get better, but I think he will continue to improve and lead us. I am all in with DJ.
I don’t know how his career will play out, I rooting hard that he s the guy, but I swear some of the posters here are really hoping for his failure
I think it only appears that way simply because there have been far more opportunities throughout Jones' career to be critical of his play (and the Giants as a whole) than positive.
The guy is still just 10-24 in his career. He's still only thrown 5 for TDs this season. It shouldn't be too controversial when people are doubtful that a decent game against an average-to-good team means he's cemented himself as an indispensable asset on the team.
Come on, EVERY QB has a bad game. To use this as an example of Mahomes not being able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit is ridiculous. No one is saying that DJ has to make chicken salad every play of every game, but we'd like to see it once in a while.
And there's a corollary to that: almost every starting QB drafted high has a few good games. If they start two seasons' worth of games, very few of them go 0-32. Very few of them are incapable of putting up a few wins, or looking pretty good in losses, or having a few games with 1 TD and 0 turnovers.
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so with all of this chicken salad talk... can someone tell me which QBs around the league are winning without talent around them so far this season? Maybe Lamar?
Would prefer if we could more productively talk about DJ's weaknesses and the points that he needs to improve, rather than a cheesy metaphor-standard.
Every team has talent. It's the level of talent at issue here.
Check out the Raiders. They don't have the best OL and their receivers are still pretty unproven outside of Waller. But Carr is lighting it up and quietly having an MVP-type year.
Green Bay is playing with a stop-gap, makeshift OL right now. Bakhtiari is still out (best LT in the game) and they lost their pro bowl, Linsley, to the Chargers. And outside of Adams, who is great, I would call the rest of that receiving cast solid at best. But Rodgers continues to find answers.
Last year Herbert had the worst pass protecting OLs in the league. No problem. He had the best QBR in the league when under pressure. And killed it his rookie year.
Same with Russell Wilson. For a decade, more than anyone in the NFL, he's done considerably more with less than any player in the NFL. Some of his OLs have been just has hideous as ours at times.
Obviously Brady did it forever in New England.
After almost three years in the saddle, do you have any more faith that Jones can make chicken salad and be considered an elite-type QB to move forward with? Because that should be the conclusion if he is deserving of a longer investment. Otherwise, we need to find another solution at QB.
I mean Aaron Rodgers is one of the best QB of all time and DeVante Adams is probably the best WR in the league or at least top 3. Brady is probably the best of all time. Hebert has Keenan Allen top 5 WR, Mike Williams, and so many other targets. You put Daniel Jones on the Chargers and I bet he looks better than here and Herbert looks worse on the Giants. I would also say Herbert OL is better than anything we have had this year.
Saying that yes all those QBs are better than Jones, but that wasn't your question. Your question is do we have faith that Jones can make chicken salad and be considered an elite-type QB to move forward with? My answer is yes for him being good to close to elite and that is good enough. Elite type QB I reserve for the top 5-7 QBs like Rodgers and Brady for example. I don't think Herbert is Elite-type yet, but could get there in a few years. I truly believe what DJ is showing this year and really about half way through last year when he started tightening up his turnovers is he can lead a rag tag team. He had an issue and worked hard to fix it and I believe with better play calling and work his redzone will be better also. We have seen him this year with all the injuries hang tough and be great when he had some fire power (saints game when Thomas, Gollady, Barkley, and Toney were all healthy). Injuries, horrible Defense, and horrible play calling in the redzone have been what has affected our win total the most. Yes he needs to get better, but I think he will continue to improve and lead us. I am all in with DJ.
You think Jones who has an abysmal W-L record and is bottom third in every important stat, is close to elite? You guys have lost your fucking marbles.
in 3 years he has had:
2 different coaches
2 different Offensive systems
No running game
Horrid O-Line
Below average WR corps
Massive amount of Injuries to key Offensive players
COVID protocols which greatly limited practices
I may be wrong but I don't think there is any other QB right now who has had anywhere close to the gauntlet he had let alone any elite QB ever.
bet you won't admit that engram has played pretty well making a lot of difficult catches the last 2 games. go ahead, sound off.
bet you won't admit that engram has played pretty well making a lot of difficult catches the last 2 games. go ahead, sound off.
Sure I can. I was even able to admit it when Jerrel Jernigan had that good game that one time.
in 3 years he has had:
2 different coaches
2 different Offensive systems
No running game
Horrid O-Line
Below average WR corps
Massive amount of Injuries to key Offensive players
COVID protocols which greatly limited practices
I may be wrong but I don't think there is any other QB right now who has had anywhere close to the gauntlet he had let alone any elite QB ever.
It should make him better in the long run. It can’t get much worse
That doesn't count. You can't compare because... just because!
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Right and they led most of the way so it was all garbage time. Look he completed 70% of his passes with a TD, almost another by inches, no turnovers, had good rushes, and an amazing catch. When you are up big you aren't going to throw the ball as much or take as many chances. He played well. To pick QBR as your barometer is crazy. I will say what all negative BBI posters say. Use your eyes and today your eyes saw a good game from Daniel Jones.
That is both fair and real.
The OL, RBs an WRs are good enough to get him to the Red Zone, It is not unreasonable to expect a person being given the label of franchise QB to execute better than Jones has in Red Zone.
It is also not unreasonable to expect him to do it with consistency before you say he is franchise QB. We should all admit that the rest of the season will provide clarity to this debate.
Year 3 is big deal in evaluating QBs, not just the first 7 games.
The whole season.