after such a rough outing last week against the Rams. While his bottom line stats don't jump out at you, he performed at a very high level, especially with so many starters out of the line-up.
Perhaps most impressive was his 3rd Quarter TD drive, starting with the ball first and 10 at the Giants 25. It started with a stretch run to the left with Booker which turned out to be a fake with Jones doing a reverse pivot to his right. One problem -- he only had Kyle Rudolph trying to seal Bryan Burns, which failed. But Jones eluded Burns, faking him out, continued running to his right and then threw a 15-yard strike to Darius Slayton right at the sideline for a first down.
And then on third and 13 at the 42-yard line, Jones took a low snap, has to step up into the pocket, and then drifts to his right finding Booker for a 15-yard gain and another first down.
And then, of course, the end around pass that Daniel Jones hauled in with one hand (good for 16 yards and another first down) -- and best of all, he holds onto the ball after former Giant Sean Chandler puts a huge hit on him.
There was also Jones bobbing and weaving for 6 yards and then he executes a beautiful pitch option to Devonte Booker that froze Haason Reddick and went for 11 yards and another first down. And then the coup de grace on third and 3 at the Panthers 5-yard line -- a TD pass to Dante Pettis!
Daniel Jones looked totally in control for the entire drive. Very proud to see him perform this way! And kudos to Devontae Booker as well!
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
But that's not the point. Jones didn't need to be special today. He needed to do what he did - manage the game and let the Panthers implode.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Hey look we got an NFL General Manager on BBI.
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He was ok. Nothing great
Hate to burst your bubble but he's going to be our QB next year and we won't be drafting a QB....
With two 1st's.....Sign me up for best OL/DL prospects
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Hey look we got an NFL General Manager on BBI.
Closer than you’ll ever be.
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
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"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
So now we are grading Jones based on his ability to catch the ball? It was a trick play. Let's focus on the traditional plays a QB has to make. Thanks.
It’s bbi logic. Jones is nothing special as a QB; he is effort but no skill ; but as long as he’s showing he’s putting in 110 percent; takes a hit , makes a run or a trick play. It’s good sugar high.
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Nothing to do with my fandom. I’ve been critical of Jones. I also know how difficult the position is and much more so with limited personnel.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
game manager - lol - how many game managers make that reception?
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Complimentary football. D stepped up and O didn’t do anything to put them in bad spots.
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Nothing to do with my fandom. I’ve been critical of Jones. I also know how difficult the position is and much more so with limited personnel.
Give examples where he faulted today. Turnovers, missed plays, etc. otherwise continue as is and be another stat guy. We sure lack those on here.
You seem to be under the impression that I said Jones played bad. He was a game manager and did what he needed to do, but if it wasn’t for the defense/Panthers O were probably talking about how Jones didn’t do enough and the team only scored 12 points. The late surge was fools gold.
This game isn’t something to dig in on how Jones is the guy like some are doing.
game manager - lol - how many game managers make that reception?
What’s a play that the Giants likely will never run again have to do with his ability to play QB?
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
It was a good play from Jones.
Who cares, though?
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Being in the industry? Wtf? Aren’t you a low level agent or some shit that likes to try to rub elbows with more prominent agents in the hopes they give you some gossip? Desperately following them around looking for attention? You don’t know shit about what other teams around the league are laughing at. Just as you say the league is laughing, the real agents are surely laughing at you as well. See how that works? Also, no matter how “connected” you pretend to be, that doesn’t do anything to verify your football acumen. Being a failed agent only confirms your stat geek status even more.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
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Defense had the 6th best defense (points allowed) entering the game.
Jones played with bottom level guys on the line, at receiver and no game until deep in the 4th quarter. NO BIG DEAL, GUYS.
If it makes you sleep better at night, think this was good.
If you leave the game and look at Jones in a negative light still, maybe you should stop joining the discussion, because you're not adding anything of value. This post here by you proves my point. Maybe educate yourself on the roster, or go back to Reddit.
The game was 12-3 until the Panthers started handing the Giants 4 straight short fields. They had 18 first downs on 13 drives which is pathetically embarrassing.
Sorry you’re blinded by a win but 200 yards and a game that was pathetic for 75% of the day isn’t some indictment that Jones was good.
If you continue to completely ignore that he was playing with one of the worst supporting casts on offense that any QB has had in many years then you should just delete your account because nobody gives a damn what you have to say. The WRs and OL that were trotted out there today was embarrassing.
I’m not Jones’ biggest fan but you need you fucking head examined if you can’t acknowledge what he did out there today. Your grasp of football is a disgrace.
My football knowledge way out weighs yours. He was decent nothing more.
You can not give a damn what I say because you’re satisfied with this game , but I’ve been right the last 5 years on this board so whose football knowledge is a disgrace?
This game isn’t anything to be excited about when it comes to Jones.
Haha! You don’t want a dick measuring contest. You wouldn’t fair well. You don’t know shit about football. You’re a stat geek. You aren’t capable of looking past the numbers and doing any sort of root cause analysis. You call them excuses. If you were capable of evaluating what is actually happening, you’d have to acknowledge that Jones played his ass off today. But you aren’t at that level. You looked up CBS stats and decided he wasn’t very good. But don’t feel bad, there are plenty of stat geeks just like you that doesn’t know the first thing about football, so you’re certainly not alone. But I’m guessing you know that because most of what you post isn’t original at all and it’s just a geek looking for approval from the other geeks you’ve bonded with on this site.
lol a stat geek that’s funny. I was actually at the game today. It was an embarrassing performance until the Panthers handed them four straight short fields.
I can tell you with 100% certainty from being in the industry that a majority of the league is laughing at the possibility the Giants pick up Jones’ 5th year option. But enjoy this game if it makes you feel better.
Being in the industry? Wtf? Aren’t you a low level agent or some shit that likes to try to rub elbows with more prominent agents in the hopes they give you some gossip? Desperately following them around looking for attention? You don’t know shit about what other teams around the league are laughing at. Just as you say the league is laughing, the real agents are surely laughing at you as well. See how that works? Also, no matter how “connected” you pretend to be, that doesn’t do anything to verify your football acumen. Being a failed agent only confirms your stat geek status even more.
It’s not pretend and I’m not a failure but what ever makes you feel better about the Giants
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
You’re very sensitive.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
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feed the troll (Ajr).
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
Can you just enjoy one victory? You very stupid eunuch.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
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In comment 15428094 BigBlueJ said:
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feed the troll (Ajr).
Far from a troll on this board but sure.
Can you just enjoy one victory? You very stupid eunuch.
Sorry “enjoying one win” from a bad football team doesn’t excite me like some. I’d rather see a consistently good football team. Only been asking for a decade.
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
Less subjective than the Giants fan base thinking today was good.
lol
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In comment 15428076 speedywheels said:
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
I think you are confused. Giants are top ten in blitz percentage and 31st in pressure rate. I would give your left nut for top ten in pressure rate lmao, dolt.
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In comment 15428076 speedywheels said:
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LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
It's a useful measurement tool. What does the play of LJax and Mahomes have to do with how Jones performed today?
Are you sure you want to start comparing Jones's play to theirs week to week?
Do your stats consider that he was throwing to guys by the name of Pettis, Johnson, Sills, and Ross? And that the OL was complete embarrassment putting him under siege all day against a very good defense? You don’t think the environment around him being worse than any QB in the league has had to deal with matters?
Don’t answer that. We all know your answer. If only the Giants had drafted one of your QB crushes like Grier, Lock and Rosen. Among others. You’re a real wiz at evaluating QBs. They should just listen to you…
It's always a "league worst situation". except the numbers don't bare that out. Coming into this game the Giants ranked around tenth in pressure, not 32nd.
I think you are confused. Giants are top ten in blitz percentage and 31st in pressure rate. I would give your left nut for top ten in pressure rate lmao, dolt.
He’s talking about on offense
lol
It is almost as if rooting for a team and getting some joy of winning is second to their own demagoguery.
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The shit on Jones patrol out in full force on this thread? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
lol
It is almost as if rooting for a team and getting some joy of winning is second to their own demagoguery.
It's not almost like that, it is that!
Actually, QBR focuses on the QB's play and whether he is making quality throws and runs. So the quality of the receiver doesn't matter. That is smoothed out.
If Jones puts a pass on the button to receiver X, and X drops the ball, Jones gets credit for doing his job effectively. Further, QBR, unlike Passer Rating adjusts for the time of the game. So if a QB is gaining yards and scoring points in garbage time, less credit is given.
Sounds like a ton of subjectivity.
There is subjectivity in the evaluation of the play - yes. Multiple analysts are used for every evaluation to avoid one view. It's not foolproof, but, IMV, is more valuable than Passing Rating.
If you want to go YPA, Jones was light a 6.2. And his AY/A was even lighter at 5.4. But those stats don't account for KG or SS being injured.
Playing the Texans and Jets can skew anyone’s numbers.
The Cowboys and Vikings lit them up.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
When DJ passes for 300 yards and loses - DJ sucks
When DJ passes for 300 yards and wins - no comment, will engage next week
When DJ passes for 200 yards and wins - its the opponent sucks
When DJ passes for 200 yards and loses - get rid of him
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
B/c the OL either kept making dumb penalties (seriously - how hard is it for a NFL lineman to know where the line of scrimmage is) or could not block inside the 2 yard line. That’s not on Jones.
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In comment 15428132 Eric from BBI said:
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
Jones was almost single-handedly responsible for all of our offense output today while playing with Cullin Johnson, Pettis, Booker, Ross and that Offensive Line. Why are you guys so obsessed with knocking everything the guy does? Just enjoy the win or if possible enjoy the lack of all the
negativity. There are still 10 games to go and I hate to break this to all of you but winning 6 or 7(or even more) of them while the young guys show development would be a great thing. Going 1-16 would not.
We hear your last sentence every year, how’s that worked out?
Everyone seems to be ignoring that this game was 5-3 for almost 75% of it. The “explosion” was scoring on three very short fields and only getting a touchdown on one of them. Sorry that’s not impressive.
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In comment 15428132 Eric from BBI said:
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are more than a few folks here who need to look up what Carolina's defensive ranking was entering this game. They have one of the better defenses in the NFL.
They were good in PPG. But that is skewed by the first three wins. In these last four losses, they've given up 116 points, or 29PPG.
And we still only could manage 12 until their offense put us in position to score on 19 yard, 32 and 19 yard drives.
B/c the OL either kept making dumb penalties (seriously - how hard is it for a NFL lineman to know where the line of scrimmage is) or could not block inside the 2 yard line. That’s not on Jones.
Both the illegal men down field penalties were on RPOs so those are partially on the pass not getting thrown quick enough.
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
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Nothing special. I was more impressed by Garrett's play calling and getting Jones out on the edge with some nice mis-directions.
But it was a good team win overall, especially for Graham and his D.
Agreed he did nothing special. But he hung out and delivered plays when he had to and didn't try to play hero ball, unlike last week.
When his top WRs are near PS guys, no run game and his OL is bad? Not much more anyone can ask for.
"He did nothing special" .... nothing special? I would call that 1 handed catch by a QB (and then hold on to the ball after a pretty good hit) - pretty special.
You said nothing special .... that was something special (imo).
If Jackson had received that pass, bw in dc - and Go teprs for that matter - would SPOOGE himself in complementing Jackson. but since it's not, he will just gloss over it....
It was a good play from Jones.
Who cares, though?
Who cares?! It let to a fucking win, you idiot.
But carry on with your agenda. Douchebag...
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Most of the DJ critics don’t know squat regarding what is required to evaluate a qb or they have gone on record wanting DJ to fail in order to not look stupid for mocking the draft pick.
Someone said, “he didn’t do anything special” obviously has an agenda. Like you noticed, just about all, one or two exceptions, were perfectly thrown passes….especially the slant patterns, leading the guys nicely so they could get YAC. And he was having to throw a lot on the run, and most were right on target. Oh, but that’s nothing special.
And of course he caught a pass one handed and held on after a major hit…..oh but that’s nothing special. And how many yards rushing did he get and what was his average? Oh, but that was nothing special.
It’s people like that have done me a great favor by keeping me away from sites like this allowing me to spend more time being constructive with my time.
Jones's QBR was 43. For the uniformed, that is nothing special.
LOL, Of COURSE you rely on that. What was Jackson's QBR today? Mahomes?
Jackson had a higher QB despite getting blown out. Didn’t make the case you thought, huh?
You fucking moron - who won their game today?
You fell right into my trap. But of course I expect nothing less from you...
The Ravens are 5-2 and lost to a team who is also 5-2. What is exactly your point?