after such a rough outing last week against the Rams. While his bottom line stats don't jump out at you, he performed at a very high level, especially with so many starters out of the line-up.
Perhaps most impressive was his 3rd Quarter TD drive, starting with the ball first and 10 at the Giants 25. It started with a stretch run to the left with Booker which turned out to be a fake with Jones doing a reverse pivot to his right. One problem -- he only had Kyle Rudolph trying to seal Bryan Burns, which failed. But Jones eluded Burns, faking him out, continued running to his right and then threw a 15-yard strike to Darius Slayton right at the sideline for a first down.
And then on third and 13 at the 42-yard line, Jones took a low snap, has to step up into the pocket, and then drifts to his right finding Booker for a 15-yard gain and another first down.
And then, of course, the end around pass that Daniel Jones hauled in with one hand (good for 16 yards and another first down) -- and best of all, he holds onto the ball after former Giant Sean Chandler puts a huge hit on him.
There was also Jones bobbing and weaving for 6 yards and then he executes a beautiful pitch option to Devonte Booker that froze Haason Reddick and went for 11 yards and another first down. And then the coup de grace on third and 3 at the Panthers 5-yard line -- a TD pass to Dante Pettis!
Daniel Jones looked totally in control for the entire drive. Very proud to see him perform this way! And kudos to Devontae Booker as well!
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
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Several observations:
1.DJ played a good game and for Debaser he did have a "Wow" moment with his one handed catch.
2.Defense played a good game against one of the worst QB's in the NFL who was benched in the 4th quarter.Darnold is a very bad QB.
3.Ojulari,Williams and McKinney also had very good games.Does this mean the defense has turned a corner...I doubt it.
4.For all the Sills backers their is a reason why he has always been on the PS.
As Giants fans we all know we have a talent issues on the roster on both sides of the ball due to bad drafts and FA signings. I don't think any Giant fan on BBI denies that fact. We have isuues with the owners, pro personnel dept., GM, coaches that need to be addressed this offseason. Nothing changes in that respect. You win games controlling the LOS on both sides of the ball and that is NOT this Giant roster.
But as Giants fans can we not for a couple of freaking hours enjoy a win though rare when it happens!!GEEZ!!!
The Jones’ phenomenon is incredible. For whatever reason his detractors become obsessed with talking those who enjoyed the win and loved how Daniel played out of our feel good day.
Their disdain for Jones the player allows every bad play to define who he is, and downplays a game like yesterday, where the eye test made it obvious how He carried this offense, by siting statistics that often don’t tell the story ,
I don’t know how his career will play out, I rooting hard that he s the guy, but I swear some of the posters here are really hoping for his failure
Seems as if they would rather be proven correct than have him succeed.
And for the Jones is God crowd, we hear that Jones willed the team to a win with a 25 point offensive explosion, even though the majority of points came late in the second half on short fields. Hell seven of the points came where they got the ball on the 19 and Jones handed it to Booker who ran it in. Some on this thread believe getting the ball at the 19 and handing it off is proof of Jones' brilliance and elite talent.
It cuts both way, Joe. I am thrilled the Giants won a game, but when you come to BBI you see a bunch of posts like this where people either a) don't understand what they saw; or b) they are so emotionally invested in being right about Jones that they attribute a team win to Jones alone.
The defense was 90% of the reason the Giants won yesterday. Jones played well. He also did it against a defense that built stats against the Jets and Texans, and then got manhandled by the Cowboys and Vikings.
We beat a middling team, which is still progress. But stop with this 'Jones as hero and savior' bullshit.
The first illegal man downfield was not the Oline's fault. It was an RPO which is a timing play. The Oline waits and then releases. The play was bogged down and the ball did not come out on time. That is a good defensive play, not an OL mistake. They can't turnaround and watch the QB during the play.
The second one on Peart was 100% his fault. He seemed lost on what he was supposed to do so he ran 3 yards downfield and pass blocked.
For one, the Panthers had a below average offense heading in and spearheaded by McCaffrey who was absent. Several bad throws and several amount of drops. The pass rush did good job albeit against a beat-up, weak line. Not sure who is the GM, but he has not done a good job rebuilding their OL so far.
As for the defense which a banged up, thinly talented Giants offense faced. They were 6th in points allowed altogether. Did they get smoked vs the Cowboys? Dak only had 188 yards. Cows had a full group of starters and not limited. They ran the ball and played tough defense. The Vikings lit them up but they also have one of the best, top five in my book, supporting cast for Kirk Cousins. Yet it gets criticized wheh a fan openly praises Jones leading a squad of JV players against a defense filled with good young talent and finishing drives which is another complaint these posters have (which is an indictment on Garrett, not the players.l overall).
Giants would have crossed the 30 plateau if Kyle Rudolph would have just extended the ball. It was an easy score that a washed player couldn't finish.
Yes I agree he did do that. But he's been playing here for what looks to be a tenured position. He's not a rookie any more. The question becomes is he like a much better Cordell Stewart type where you can see him winning games and a championship by playing wide receiver and making great odell catches or is that Garret's way of overcoming glaring deficiencies in what you would normally expect to see from a QB?
I happen to think it is last part. Maybe you think it is the first one. Or maybe you think "this team stinks anyway and Jones is someone you can cheer and watch and enjoy despite not winning games.
Recall that it took the Giants 10 years and 5 QBs to get from Simms to Eli. Miami STILL hasn't been able to replace Marino. Transitions like Favre to Rodgers or Peyton Manning to Luck are as common as winning the lottery. Having a Brady fall into your lap in the 6th round is like winning Powerball and Mega in 1 year.
We saw that. We saw Golladay yell at Jones for not getting the ball out or not doing whatever. We saw barkley rush for 60 yards vs. Atlanta. We saw them get completely killed in the 1st half against Dallas with a game that was over by half time.
Good teams do not wait until week 10 to get their act together. Good teams or maybe rusty by week 2 and winning by week 3. We know what we have. And it needs to change. I guess ome fans bought into the Judge cool aid bullshit "Oh it's a long season oh it'll get better". Barkley is way overrated. And jones if he's still throwing 11 TDs and winning .300 games needs to get benched like any QB who is not a rookie would be. Is there another player like him anywhere in the NFL? Maybe Darnold who did get benched and at least has like double the TDs ; played on 2 teams ; and got traded for a 6th round pick.
No one respects the Giants healthy or not. They go for it on 4th down to put the game away early. It sometimes comes back to hurt them like it does against Saints and Panthers but still.
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
The turnovers are down, YPA is up, movement in the pocket is certainly better.
Would like to see how he steps up his game once Thomas and some weapons are back. But he's been good.
Recall that it took the Giants 10 years and 5 QBs to get from Simms to Eli. Miami STILL hasn't been able to replace Marino. Transitions like Favre to Rodgers or Peyton Manning to Luck are as common as winning the lottery. Having a Brady fall into your lap in the 6th round is like winning Powerball and Mega in 1 year.
5 Qbs? So you're counting Kerry Collins as one of the 5 ? And Kurt Warner as well? I wish we had QBs like that now.
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rarity no matter how high in the draft they are picked. If Jones winds up average to avg+ and is a consistent starter for 10 years the Giants actually have a leg up on most of the league
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
Seriously that was what Eli was making. A guy who could have made the argument that he really was elite at one time. At one time I think the only QBs that were better than Eli were Drew Brees, Brady, and Aaron Rodgers.
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rarity no matter how high in the draft they are picked. If Jones winds up average to avg+ and is a consistent starter for 10 years the Giants actually have a leg up on most of the league
How do they have a leg up if he’s average to average +? It’s very hard to compete every year with an average QB unless you have an elite offensive scheme and coaching (Rams) or an insanely good supporting cast (2001 Ravens). The latter is hard to do paying an average QB $20+ million a year.
Seriously that was what Eli was making. A guy who could have made the argument that he really was elite at one time. At one time I think the only QBs that were better than Eli were Drew Brees, Brady, and Aaron Rodgers.
Eli was somewhere in the middle of good and elite. But Eli had the ability to go through stretches of elite play. Not many average+ QBs can do that for more than a game at a time.
I think this is a pretty good summary. Although I give more credit to Garrett for calling an effective game more than most, especially being so short-handed.
The offense took advantage of good field position generated by a defense that really strangled the Panthers. When the defense is playing as well as they did yesterday, you just take any points you can get.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
I appreciate the info.
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Those illegal downfield penalties are just moronic. Two in one game. Just dumb.
I know some posters will not want to hear this, but Solder's penalty was on Jones. It was an RPO, Jones had one read, and if it wasn't there, run or throw it away. Solder's job was to hold his man for a count, then get downfield. DJ held onto the ball too long.
I appreciate the info.
So where was the ball supposed to go?
If I remember the play, he rolled out and threw a strike to a WR right at or near the maker.
If that was the pass option part of it, then I don't know how much more quickly DJ could get himself in position to make the throw.
But a win is a win. I'll take it.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
My problem is saying he carried us. Because the defense did all the grunt work.
Got to give your guy a chance to come down with it or at least pressure the defender enough to get more PI calls each week.
For goodness’s sake, LEVEL OF COMPETITION MATTERS.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
Came here to say exactly this- good post.
Good post. I think the question isn't as much "can Jones be elite" as it is "can he take a well-rounded team to a SB and win"? That should be the evaluation. If he becomes more than that, great!
In a vacuum, which this shitty season boils down to, I thought he played well. No eyepopping stats but man they have no run game if he doesnt get them going. He made the big catch. Undermanned he found guys like Pettis. I thought it was a very good day.
So where was the ball supposed to go?
If I remember the play, he rolled out and threw a strike to a WR right at or near the maker.
If that was the pass option part of it, then I don't know how much more quickly DJ could get himself in position to make the throw.
No, DJ's pass was OOB on that play. Come on, he rolled out to the right after the RPO wasn't open. He had 2 options - run or throw it away. He did neither.
The expectations around here for Jones are laughably low for a lottery pick.
I continue to be floored by those who don't expect Jones to make chicken salad. ANY QB taken in the top 10 should be expected to make chicken salad. Why else would you draft one that high?
And if you can't make chicken salad as the 6th pick, IMV, you don't deserve the next contract.
That can also be true of those praising decent or mediocre QB play. I have questions about whether Jones can be a long-term starter, but I have no problem acknowledging that he did a good job yesterday. But posters should also recognize that the score was 5-3 with one minute left in the 3rd quarter.
I hated the Barkley pick, I didn't like the Jones pick(not that I knew anything, but it just felt like a reach at the time) and I've hated how Gettelman has built this team(however i thought we'd be good this season).
That being said, Jones was very good yesterday. The running game was garbage and the OL was like swiss cheese for most of the day. Jones had 10 incompletions and I can remember 3 drops on passes that should have been caught. I also remember a wide open receiver that Jones would have hit had he not of had a free rusher smack him in the face right up the middle.
He also got us to the goalline and we couldn't smash it in. Jones played his ass off yesterday considering the circumstances. It's ok to say that and still not like the direction of the team. Anything else just screams agenda to me.
Your comment tells me you don't know what the word agenda means.
Hopefully we'll have a better evaluation by the end of the season.
Go Giants!
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He missed a key long throw that should have been a TD in the second half. Against a good team, that might have led to an L. Very good QBs hit the open receiver in key moments like that.
You have to hit those wide open posts. Those are his missing TDs. Coverage breaks downs a couple times a game. You can't miss. Difference between winning and losing often.
Are you talking about the play where Price got beat immediately and Jones got smacked in the face as he threw it. He didn't miss it, Price missed it....as in the block.
Yes, I think Jones played very well considering. Could he have been better? Absolutely, but he made plays when he had to. I've liked what I've seen from Jones. I've seen enough to know that he CAN be that guy, but I haven't seen enough that he WILL be that guy. Lucky for us, we have at least 10 more games to evaluate.
He had a bad performance. So? Mahomes has more than earned his chicken salad bona fides.
Do you want me to refresh your memory of clips where Mahomes ad-libs and makes incredible play after incredible play? I don't mind. It'll be a long, long video to watch...
I thought he was fair. What agenda do I have?
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"very good" QB play
The expectations around here for Jones are laughably low for a lottery pick.
I continue to be floored by those who don't expect Jones to make chicken salad. ANY QB taken in the top 10 should be expected to make chicken salad. Why else would you draft one that high?
And if you can't make chicken salad as the 6th pick, IMV, you don't deserve the next contract.
I think you are reading it that way. I believe most people expect the #6 pick in the draft to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Pointing to him playing well yesterday doesn't mean expectations have been fulfilled, or he's earned contract #2. Jury still very much out on that. He also played with half an offense yesterday, something a lot of the top guys don't really experience.
We also don't know what contract #2 even looks like. I broke it down in the past and don't feel like doing it again but the big #2 contracts went to players with huge year 3s or year 4s - Jones isn't in line for a big deal because he hasn't earned it yet.
Unfortunately, not everyone progresses on the same line. Eli came into a MUCH better situation and had success because the defense was good and the running game was great. Jones has neither.
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and KC scored 3 pts yesterday. Where's the chicken salad?
He had a bad performance. So? Mahomes has more than earned his chicken salad bona fides.
Do you want me to refresh your memory of clips where Mahomes ad-libs and makes incredible play after incredible play? I don't mind. It'll be a long, long video to watch...
We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
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but that particular game yesterday, he played well. We all watched him play. If we can't acknowledge that, then there is an agenda.
I thought he was fair. What agenda do I have?
No idea, just we disagree on that point. What would you have liked to have seen from him?
We are speaking about this game, did he play well?
I can safely say without agenda that Mahomes played poorly yesterday. He had 205 yds and a pick.
Come on, EVERY QB has a bad game. To use this as an example of Mahomes not being able to make chicken salad out of chicken shit is ridiculous. No one is saying that DJ has to make chicken salad every play of every game, but we'd like to see it once in a while.