Giants red zone plays

After he gets fired by Giants Garrett will be lucky to get a high school gig.
He either doesn’t trust Jones to pass or this group of receivers to get open. He is holding Jones and offense back with his play calling. On 3 consecutive series first plays he ran to right for no gain or loss.

But there are some false statements here. Guys like Pettis, Ross, and to a lesser extent Toney, Slayton, and Engram are dangerous at their respective positions because they can beat their coverage deep. In the red zone you lose that because anything out of back of end zone is out of bounds. In the more condensed space you need players who can make themselves open for the QB. We lack that, but it is made worse because Jones has gotten gun shy with what sort of window he needs and rolling him out to the single receiver side doesn’t leave a lot options.

Something that doesn't get a whole lotta attention: a weak offensive line that cannot run block results in red zone futility.

In comment 15428268 Mike in NY said:

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But there are some false statements here. Guys like Pettis, Ross, and to a lesser extent Toney, Slayton, and Engram are dangerous at their respective positions because they can beat their coverage deep. In the red zone you lose that because anything out of back of end zone is out of bounds. In the more condensed space you need players who can make themselves open for the QB. We lack that, but it is made worse because Jones has gotten gun shy with what sort of window he needs and rolling him out to the single receiver side doesn’t leave a lot options.

Mike
when we get inside of the 5, we seem to pull those playmakers off of the field. Bring in extra TEs and line up like it is 4th and inches.

Instead of putting everyone bunched on the line they need to spread the formation to create more space for the backs.

A 1 player pass play in the RZ was just plain stupid call by Garrett.
But no one should be fooled by this OL that is probably one of the worst in the NFL at run blocking.Totally not surprised we did not score from the 1 yard line. It would have been nice to see Penney run the ball from the 1 yard line!!!

In comment 15428303 M.S. said:

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Something that doesn't get a whole lotta attention: a weak offensive line that cannot run block results in red zone futility.

The team with the best red zone success are teams that can run the ball. Forever and ever, amen.

In comment 15428311 Rick in Dallas said:

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A 1 player pass play in the RZ was just plain stupid call by Garrett. But no one should be fooled by this OL that is probably one of the worst in the NFL at run blocking.Totally not surprised we did not score from the 1 yard line. It would have been nice to see Penney run the ball from the 1 yard line!!!

I wondered also why Penney was not in the game for those plays. He seems to always get the yard needed in the short yardage situations.

In comment 15428303 M.S. said:

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Something that doesn't get a whole lotta attention: a weak offensive line that cannot run block results in red zone futility.

Also, that one roll out on 3rd and goal in the 1st half was an awful call on many counts. 1) they should have run it 4 times. 2) they only one receiver in that area. A blown coverage was the only way a pass could be completed. Poorly designed play.

In comment 15428303 M.S. said:

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Something that doesn't get a whole lotta attention: a weak offensive line that cannot run block results in red zone futility.

Yep.. specifically the IOL. How many times this year have we not been able to punch it in from a yard or two

In comment 15428308 Hilary said:

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Instead of putting everyone bunched on the line they need to spread the formation to create more space for the backs.

I agree the spread formations should help, but you can only do so much as long as #71 and #76 are on the right side of the line. These 2 guys have been really bad all year.

A lot of teams are just jamming their back in there to a stalemate, then having lbig guys come from behind and shove the whole mess to fall forward a yard.

Or put Dexter Lawrence at fullback to just blast a tiny crease. You have to find a way to make 1 Fing yard.

is a joke when you have EE as one of the "bunch" players. He cannot block and if we do fake and look to pass he will be covered as nobody else is really a threat. Having a bot more of a spread out formation would be better suited.

In comment 15428311 Rick in Dallas said:

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A 1 player pass play in the RZ was just plain stupid call by Garrett.

yeah... and have your worst route runner be that player. He has no idea how to come back to the QB to change the angles to our advantage.

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He either doesn’t trust Jones

Bingo!!!! And I doubt you are right about Garrett not getting a high school job. More like jones becomes a 3rd string QB somewhere

by some pretty bizarre playcalling in the red zone. 2 runs right into the line in between just an awfully designed play in tight space. Rolling DJ out to the right with one receiver out in a pattern? Just awful.

I know it was barely in the red zone (19 yard line), but the Booker TD run was a well-designed and executed play.

in midfield that ended in a pass completion to Jones, but had
little chance in ending in a TD.
He should have called that play when they were 4th and goal,
or 3rd and goal.
What does he use for a brain?

In comment 15428491 TLong said:

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in midfield that ended in a pass completion to Jones, but had little chance in ending in a TD. He should have called that play when they were 4th and goal, or 3rd and goal. What does he use for a brain?

That would not have worked near the goal line. It worked when it did because the DB's dropped back and gave DJ a lot of room. That space wouldn't have been there near the goal line.

And please never call that play again. I'm not a fan of getting my QB killed stretching for a poorly thrown ball.

to not through it to him at least ONCE every time we are down there is criminal.

... tells you everything in a nutshell about what's wrong with this offense.

In defense of DJ, he does everything correctly which should be a walk-in pitch and catch throw.

But it's not that...and I'm not sure why. I see teams execute this every week with success but when we do, the TE has to scrape the pylon and barely get in lol...not to mention the stepping out of bounds part.

I don't know if it's formation or something being tipped but it seems the Giants can't execute plays that other teams are accomplishing easy.

Again, everything is contested and I'm not sure why. Either it's players or scheme or both.

But it's hurting the QB evaluation.

because he lacks confidence in his players to convert in the red zone. Until they start showing signs, JG will continue to call it scared down there. They lack the OL power game, and it seems he doesn't trust Jones down there either. Tough spot until the team shows something.

spreading it wide can’t possibly be worse than lining up and running up the gut.

In comment 15428701 JonC said:

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because he lacks confidence in his players to convert in the red zone. Until they start showing signs, JG will continue to call it scared down there. They lack the OL power game, and it seems he doesn't trust Jones down there either. Tough spot until the team shows something.

The excuse he doesn't trust Jones is getting old. Let's trust him to find out if he's the guy LOL

Why aren't pick plays/crossing routes part of redzone?

What's the worry about trust? Are we going to the playoff or something? I see bad teams all the time try things. The Giants should be in a discovery period to find out what they have in 2021.

We are predictable.

I saw one interesting play - sans the flea flicker to DJ. It was the option play to Booker on 3rd and 1. Now that was something different and imaginative. But to ask Garrett to repeat that elsewhere is wishful thinking.

the creativity level when compared to the Giants is night and day. We saw the stuff the Rams ran last week. I saw a play by the Cardinals yesterday and wondered is there any way Jason Garrett could be this imaginative? Of course not.

Murray to Hopkins on 3rd & goal from the one yard line. - ( New Window )

yesterday's color commentator made a good observation that the Jints needed to come up with some pass plays that complemented the zone reads that Jones ran yesterday.

Also the commentator was effusive in his praise of Jones rollouts when passing.

So why can't Jones roll out in the Red zone with a couple of pass options or just keep running?

The Ravens qb does it all the time.

Jason needs to study some Ravens tape and crib some plays for our Red zone offense.

just terrible in the redzone. Some of it is on Garrett, some on personnel, some on Jones. One thing I'm positive of is they are not optimizing the people they have. Find a way.

In comment 15428864 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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just terrible in the redzone. Some of it is on Garrett, some on personnel, some on Jones. One thing I'm positive of is they are not optimizing the people they have. Find a way.

Jim, if they're not optimizing the people they have, isn't that on Garrett?

It is what it is. When you see him call runs which are stoned, and then tries a fade route to the corner flag, or some lateral quick pass to the TEs, he's tipping his hand he's got a limited selection (in his mind, at least).

I agree with your premise, especially given how vital it is to NYG to properly evaluate DJ this season. But, as often is the case, there's someone coaching for their job at the same time.

Bootlegs, run option or wishbone-style triple-option are worth a shot to create some misdirection. But, the OL has got to start creating a push especially near the goal line.

In comment 15428701 JonC said:

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because he lacks confidence in his players to convert in the red zone. Until they start showing signs, JG will continue to call it scared down there. They lack the OL power game, and it seems he doesn't trust Jones down there either. Tough spot until the team shows something.

Completely agree with the coaching scared part. I think this team sucks and coaches need to take smart risks. I don't think Garrett trusts Jones at all.

Also agree on BillKo's point. Jones has been much better with the ball this year - let's put more on his shoulders and see what we've got.