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Things I think after yesterday. A lot of common themes.

Spider56 : 10/25/2021 10:54 am
B McKinney and Moa need to be signed to the 53 man roster today. We cannot let these guys be poached.

The Prince, Roche and Ray Jay should play a lot more and Shelton, Carter and XMan should play a whole lot less.

Hernandez and Solder are really, really bad ... When Thomas comes back, Peart needs to go to RT and either Bredeson, Martin and / or Wilson (when he’s ready) should be given a look at RG ... they cannot be any worse.

EE should be traded or released ... his matchup advantages are a myth and he has no feel for the game. Twice yesterday he was stopped for minimal gain because he cut the wrong way off his blocks. At the very least, JG needs to stop building game plans around this guy.

Pettis needs to stay on the roster ... he’s got ability, flexibility, enthusiasm and seems to stay healthy. I’m not seeing much from John Ross.

I hope Aaron Robinson is a player ... Darnay Holmes has been a disappointment.

I’m still not sure why they signed Booker over Gallman or even Freeman. And what’s happened to Brightwell?

Enjoy the week.
Agree with most of your takes  
CMicks3110 : 10/25/2021 10:56 am : link
But I think Hernandez is not atrocious. I think is a basic average NFL guard snd I don’t think Brederson is better. I think he is hurt by the fact that Solder is actually atrocious at this stage of his career.
RE: Agree with most of your takes  
Spider56 : 10/25/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15428631 CMicks3110 said:
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But I think Hernandez is not atrocious. I think is a basic average NFL guard snd I don’t think Brederson is better. I think he is hurt by the fact that Solder is actually atrocious at this stage of his career.


Maybe it is guilt by association, but together they’ve been atrocious in both running and pass blocking.
Hernandez is averag  
BigBlueJ : 10/25/2021 11:02 am : link
And you would be hard pressed to find his replacement on the free market. You might want to extend him. Also Danny Shelton is a complete fraud, he should be released. With him on the field we give up 6.2 yards per carry, today 3.2.
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ryanmkeane : 10/25/2021 11:06 am : link
i thought Hernandez had a solid game actually
I don't think there's any way you give...  
BillKo : 10/25/2021 11:09 am : link
..Hernandez a second contract.

You look to replace him.
why would you release Engram?  
BillKo : 10/25/2021 11:10 am : link
Trade yes. Release? That makes no sense.
I think I saw EE make a block that resulted  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/25/2021 11:10 am : link
in a DJ first down in the 3rd Q. But I was drinking so I may be wrong
Fair points Spider  
UberAlias : 10/25/2021 11:13 am : link
I'd have to rewatch to be sure, but at first pass, I can't argue with anything you said here.
RE: why would you release Engram?  
Jim in Tampa : 10/25/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15428654 BillKo said:
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Trade yes. Release? That makes no sense.

When it comes to Engram, most BBI posters are like Shylock, looking for their pound of flesh.
RE: why would you release Engram?  
Spider56 : 10/25/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15428654 BillKo said:
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Trade yes. Release? That makes no sense.


Because I think it can be addition by subtraction ... as long as he’s around, JG will continue to build game plans around his supposed skill set. This hurts DJ overall and you just know at some critical point EE is going to mess up ... again. Unless he’s part of the future (which I hope he’s not), it’s time to move on.
Hernandez is NOT  
Dave on the UWS : 10/25/2021 11:17 am : link
average. He absolutely butchered stunt pick up several times yesterday. DJ got clocked on one. He's done this since day 1 and hasn't improved. After this year, bye bye!
Things I thought about  
Crazed Dogs : 10/25/2021 11:20 am : link
Thomas at LT, Peart at RT, Barkley at RB, Toney and Shep at WR and we have an offense.... people here luv to crash on Jones but he is the reason they won yesterday.
RE: Hernandez is NOT  
BillKo : 10/25/2021 11:22 am : link
In comment 15428666 Dave on the UWS said:
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average. He absolutely butchered stunt pick up several times yesterday. DJ got clocked on one. He's done this since day 1 and hasn't improved. After this year, bye bye!


Yeah, I mean we were hoping for Chris Snee and got Roy Simmons to be honest.

I think he's a backup NFL guard. The one thing he does bring is a bit of nastiness but that's not enough.

No way you spend anyone money on him, Giants need to upgrade at that guard spot.
RE: ..  
mfsd : 10/25/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15428647 ryanmkeane said:
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i thought Hernandez had a solid game actually


Agree. I think he's been one of our better OL. Which isn't necessarily high praise on this OL, and yes we should be looking for a replacement in the draft, but you don't bench him now, not with other OL issues.

Curious to see what Sy has to say in his game review about Hernandez and the OL as a whole.
RE: RE: why would you release Engram?  
ajr2456 : 10/25/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15428664 Spider56 said:
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In comment 15428654 BillKo said:


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Trade yes. Release? That makes no sense.



Because I think it can be addition by subtraction ... as long as he’s around, JG will continue to build game plans around his supposed skill set. This hurts DJ overall and you just know at some critical point EE is going to mess up ... again. Unless he’s part of the future (which I hope he’s not), it’s time to move on.


We don’t have much else at tight end. Rudolph has been a bust.
RE: RE: ..  
ajr2456 : 10/25/2021 11:23 am : link
In comment 15428675 mfsd said:
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In comment 15428647 ryanmkeane said:


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i thought Hernandez had a solid game actually



Agree. I think he's been one of our better OL. Which isn't necessarily high praise on this OL, and yes we should be looking for a replacement in the draft, but you don't bench him now, not with other OL issues.

Curious to see what Sy has to say in his game review about Hernandez and the OL as a whole.


One of our better OL? He’s been terrible all year and last year.
I agree and disagree with some  
jvm52106 : 10/25/2021 11:25 am : link
Holmes actually played fairly well yesterday.

EE is who is and we have to ride that out until the end of this season.

Solder shouldn't be on the field period and Hernandez was god awful yesterday.

Billy Price is the least coordinated Center I have ever seen. He has no sense of balance.

Pettis is a keeper and needs to be used more.

Rudolph's blocking is the part that really steams me. The other stuff can be just scheme and a guy who is on the decline but blocking is technique and strength and Rudolph is no longer a plus blocker.

I like Johnson and Williams, Lawrence to a degree but doubt he is worth a second contract and Johnson III is a nice find.

AO is a nice developing player, Carter is a nobody who plays that way and Xman isn't ever going to be more than a jag. I would like to see Roche play more.

If we can get Thomas back healthy, Peart to develop at RT and maybe BB back at LG with Skura on hand as well, we might have something for the rest of this year.

Next year we still need T depth, starting G and C.
RE: I think I saw EE make a block that resulted  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/25/2021 11:53 am : link
In comment 15428655 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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in a DJ first down in the 3rd Q. But I was drinking so I may be wrong


I think Engram is a huge turd...but he did make a great downfield block on a DJ run.
Engram  
armstead98 : 10/25/2021 12:12 pm : link
The hate for him is absurd. He led the team in receptions and is one of the few guys who is healthy and can get open.

But because it’s cool to hate on him we have posters suggest we release him outright. Good stuff.
Booker is a superior player to Wayne Gallman and  
LI NHB : 10/25/2021 12:14 pm : link
I am not sure why this is so hard for the fanbase to accept.

Gallman was a good North-South runner and thats about it. He was a liability is Pass-Pro, limited in his ability to catch the ball and clearly fell out of favor with multiple staffs.

Booker was a bright spot yesterday working well with DJ to protect and get out in space to provide a safety valve.
I don't know what to make of Jones to be honest  
Dave on the UWS : 10/25/2021 12:25 pm : link
I think we can all agree, that he's a legit NFL QB. But at what level? Backup, marginal starter, top 15, elite? I really can't tell, because his lineup changes every damn week.
I think the smartest move they can make is kick the can down the road until after the 2022 season, franchise him if needed. They have too many other problems that need attention.
RE: Engram  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/25/2021 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15428788 armstead98 said:
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The hate for him is absurd. He led the team in receptions and is one of the few guys who is healthy and can get open.

But because it’s cool to hate on him we have posters suggest we release him outright. Good stuff.


No it's not. The play I mentioned was his best play of the day. How many times did EE make a catch 7 yds short of the markers and go right down?
So you’d rather have Kaden Smith out there  
armstead98 : 10/25/2021 12:43 pm : link
Not making the catch at all?
RE: So you’d rather have Kaden Smith out there  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/25/2021 12:56 pm : link
In comment 15428865 armstead98 said:
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Not making the catch at all?


Is that a good example? I'm not defending Kaden Smith...but Engram has been a massive disappointment. How about I'd rather have Kaden Smith not turn the ball over?
Two "Illegal Man Down Field" penalties that killed  
ZogZerg : 10/25/2021 1:21 pm : link
big plays.

Can't have that. Dumb players and/or bad coaching.

When your HC is an X special teams coach and specials suck (except for the kicker) that's a bad sign.

Was it every punt return had a holding call?
So glad they kept all these "special team players".
They are not so special.
RE: I don't know what to make of Jones to be honest  
islander1 : 10/25/2021 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15428820 Dave on the UWS said:
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I think we can all agree, that he's a legit NFL QB. But at what level? Backup, marginal starter, top 15, elite? I really can't tell, because his lineup changes every damn week.
I think the smartest move they can make is kick the can down the road until after the 2022 season, franchise him if needed. They have too many other problems that need attention.


Completely agree. The only thing we know for sure about Jones is he's got balls of steel.
Did anyone else laugh as loud as I did yesterday  
Chris L. : 10/25/2021 1:42 pm : link
when EE ran his route to the sidelines and was 5 yards out of bounds and didn't realize it??? Jones threw him the ball. It was thrown to the sideline as it should be. It was incomplete because EE didn't realize where he was on the field. Every time I think I have seen the worst from EE he tops it.
RE: Agree with most of your takes  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/25/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15428631 CMicks3110 said:
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But I think Hernandez is not atrocious. I think is a basic average NFL guard snd I don’t think Brederson is better. I think he is hurt by the fact that Solder is actually atrocious at this stage of his career.

Somehow whatever OT has played next to Hernandez has been atrocious. That was primarily Solder early in WH's career, and Solder was definitely not good himself. But then last year, Thomas's play improved when Lemieux replaced Hernandez.

Could be a coincidence, could be that Hernandez is part of the problem for whoever lines up next to him. Even Peart looked worse in the season opener lined up next to Hernandez than he did last year with Zeitler next to him, and he has looked at least somewhat more comfortable on the left side, away from Hernandez.
Funny but I feel like EE has been quietly having a decent season  
Dinger : 10/25/2021 4:08 pm : link
which means he hasn't blown a game lately and we should trade him ASAP. Players like him, Holmes, Beal, Carter and Ximines have been kept for too long and are part of the reason we aren't progressing.
As to your Booker comments I can only say he's there over the others because he can actually pass block. He seems to pick up the blitz better than any RB they've had. I do not miss Gallman and I don't think we needed Freeman as our IR is pretty full as it is.
Booker over Gallman  
CJ in AZ : 10/25/2021 7:13 pm : link
I liked Gallman on the Giants. He had a good YPC and second effort ball-carrying ability. He improved a bit as a draftee who was a poor pass-catcher. We loved his effort on a bad team. He is now active on the Falcon's roster, not playing much.

My impression is that the Giants and most other NFL teams apparently do not value him very much due to two things:

Poor pass protection,
and
Fumbling frequency.

Booker is better at these two vital things, especially for a G-men team that is so lacking and needy for pass pro and must also emphasize avoiding turnovers. He was not an expensive signing at $2,500,000 for the year. He is solid, not exciting, but he does his job.

Can we please move on from Wayne Gallman?



RE: Engram  
Bill in UT : 10/25/2021 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15428788 armstead98 said:
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The hate for him is absurd. He led the team in receptions and is one of the few guys who is healthy and can get open.

But because it’s cool to hate on him we have posters suggest we release him outright. Good stuff.


The love for him is more absurd than the hate, tho neither are appropriate. Releasing him is pointless. Signing him to a new contract is moronic. Trading him is the best option, if anyone is foolish enough to give a pick for him
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