Today on WFAN with “Mark and Maggie” Banks said you can win a championship with DJ. Now before everyone who hates the Jones pick,remember to blame Gettleman for that. Banks went on to say that biggest change with Jones is his command of the offense. He has the tools necessary to be very effective at this level and he wants to win. He called Jones the best player on the team. I have had a wait and see attitude and always felt Jones was in a tough situation to make a definitive evaluation. I know there are some that don’t like the pick but there is a consensus building in the media that Jones is the Guy. That is important in NYC.
Using the phrase "hung 23 points on" sounds a bit ridiculous for a fairly pedestrian level of scoring. Even moreso when you consider the the last 7 points were due to Carolina turning the ball over on downs at the 19-yard line.
Be happy the win but keep it real...
It does not matter who says what. Media people want headlines, they are also employed by someone.
I have been on the Jones bandwagon and just fell off so please spare me the excuses, I have been making them myself. He might still turn out to be good, but I am now to the point that he must PROVE IT!
The only thing I give a shit about, is if a J0nes led offense scores touchdowns. If the OL and receivers were good enough to get you into the Red Zone, they are good enough to score TD s with. Get your team to the line quickly, assess the defense, audible if you need, then, execute. IDGAF about any excuses.
Results please.
Tired of the gibber jabber.
Get the funny shaped brown leather ball across the threshold.
Do it on average, at least twice a game.
I don’t want to hear any more Jones chirping until he can do that.
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If you have an incredibly talented roster with a dominant defense, even Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
Where is this unicorn of a QB winning Super Bowls without talent around him?
Great question. I haven't seen it answered as of yet. If there are such QBs, it's very, very few and I think a lot of BBI will only be happy once they find him.
Gotta feeeeeeeed BBI.
I like Jones the person and his heart as a player, and his running ability is a huge positive in how it affects the defense. I just feel like if there's an upgrade staring the franchise in the face, they have to pull the trigger as soon as it's available. I don't feel like he's great enough to pass up an opportunity if it's there.
Outside of a unpredictable trade, I really don't see a way to upgrade for 2022.
But you don't, so seems more like feeding you...
Last time I saw the offense starting to click like this was N.O. Get back some of Shep, Golladay, Toney and Barkley, and combine them with a similar offensive game plan, and I'd have to think you're going to worry some opposing DC's.
I think he would be fine if you had a decent line. And yes, he made everyone on offense better yesterday.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
there's still plenty of season left that could change the calculus but if it continues on it's current trajectory they should continue building up the lines and give him 1 more year. at least 1 of the first round picks should be on the OL and with any luck the 2 guys who got hurt for the season this year will come back.
maybe, just maybe, they can upgrade the OC too.
there's still plenty of season left that could change the calculus but if it continues on it's current trajectory they should continue building up the lines and give him 1 more year. at least 1 of the first round picks should be on the OL and with any luck the 2 guys who got hurt for the season this year will come back.
maybe, just maybe, they can upgrade the OC too.
Can't imagine, huh? His numbers continue to be poor and we are 2-5. But you can't even fathom it.
It is? Caring what the media thinks should actually be a variable in the decision whether to move forward with Jones?
JFC.
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he continues to show improvement in meaningful ways despite brutal circumstances around him and he will be the 2nd cheapest option only to drafting a non top 10 rookie.
there's still plenty of season left that could change the calculus but if it continues on it's current trajectory they should continue building up the lines and give him 1 more year. at least 1 of the first round picks should be on the OL and with any luck the 2 guys who got hurt for the season this year will come back.
maybe, just maybe, they can upgrade the OC too.
Can't imagine, huh? His numbers continue to be poor and we are 2-5. But you can't even fathom it.
Cool who you getting that's better?
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Those aren't cherry picked stats. Those are the most fundamental stats by which we judge QB performance.
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what’s the solution? He’s traded for whatever we get and we have a clean slate heading into the 2022 offseason - now what?
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
Tua threw almost as many TDs yesterday as Jones threw in seven games.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
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what’s the solution? He’s traded for whatever we get and we have a clean slate heading into the 2022 offseason - now what?
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
Well, there is a pretty good chance Wilson and Carr could be available. And, IMV, there are some very interesting QB prospects in this upcoming draft - Pickett, Willis, Corral.
All three are having exciting '21 seasons.
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what’s the solution? He’s traded for whatever we get and we have a clean slate heading into the 2022 offseason - now what?
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
Tua threw almost as many TDs yesterday as Jones threw in seven games.
How'd his team do in that game? Or last week vs. Jax? He have any key turnovers in either?
You either draft a quarterback (don't force it...if a guy is available where it makes sense to draft him, draft him) or sign one of the free agents that float around the league (Taylor, Bridgewater, etc.) as a placeholder.
The Giants are on the verge of a complete teardown and rebuild. The name of the game now is to use this season and next to accumulate as many draft picks and accelerate as many cap hits as possible. The 2022 team isn't going to be any good either.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
No you're wrong, according to joeinpa, who I think might be Daniel Jones' publicist, being the best player on a field with Giants and Panthers, is all that matters. And Panthers without CMC I might add.
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what’s the solution? He’s traded for whatever we get and we have a clean slate heading into the 2022 offseason - now what?
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
Tua threw almost as many TDs yesterday as Jones threw in seven games.
How'd his team do in that game? Or last week vs. Jax? He have any key turnovers in either?
Yes let's compare Tua last week vs Jones. That should be a short comparison.
This year we all said he needed to make a jump, and we’ll see where he comes out at the end when the body of work is all in.
This year we all said he needed to make a jump, and we’ll see where he comes out at the end when the body of work is all in.
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what’s the solution? He’s traded for whatever we get and we have a clean slate heading into the 2022 offseason - now what?
Lots of exciting options probably available after the season - Teddy Bridgewater, Nick Muellens, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins, Drew Lock, Tua, Jimmy G, Goff, Fitzmagic. Might even be able to get ryan finley out of his contract with meineke car care. you won't have to pay a lot but you will get a lot.
Can always just leave Jones in the saddle and get better elsewhere with $s/picks (hopefully). Punt the QB decision another year.
Not helpful after good QBs have been available for last several years and we haven't taken advantage sitting at the top of those drafts. Blame your moron GM who has been at the helm.
Maybe another college QB comes into the light by 2022. We only score a few points per game now so how much lower can it go...
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
Kind of thought it was obvious we were talking about yesterday’s game, which by the way they won, mostly because of Jones, winning s a stat that still matters, right?
Yet , yesterday s win was being discounted by cherry picked stats.
Last time I saw the offense starting to click like this was N.O. Get back some of Shep, Golladay, Toney and Barkley, and combine them with a similar offensive game plan, and I'd have to think you're going to worry some opposing DC's.
Why so late? He had all of those players in the first few games. I am yet to see Jones is even good enough to be able to use Golladay. he's not a 3 yards separation receiver on a slant route type of player. Which is pretty much all Jones can throw. Otherwise he is running ... tht works about 1 in 4 games when good teams don't show up to play. If you think that is going to be good enough in the playoffs in the NFL ; then knock yourself out.
Further I have to laugh at this whole Barkley out again. He hasn't been good since Eli was playing here 3 years ago ! o/
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
Kind of thought it was obvious we were talking about yesterday’s game, which by the way they won, mostly because of Jones, winning s a stat that still matters, right?
Yet , yesterday s win was being discounted by cherry picked stats.
No it was mostly because of the defense. Olij and Leanord and Bradley made some plays.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
Kind of thought it was obvious we were talking about yesterday’s game, which by the way they won, mostly because of Jones, winning s a stat that still matters, right?
Yet , yesterday s win was being discounted by cherry picked stats.
We don’t have to lie about why they mostly won the game. Who kept the Giants in it when they only mustard 3 points on offense through 2 and a half quarters?
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and the offense still might not be very good. Those are not mutually exclusive statements. Jones played like a competent QB yesterday, but let's be honest the Defense won that game.
It does not do DJ a disservice to state that he has not earned the "franchise" QB status.
At some point we as fans need to stop asking on how the front office and coaching staff can surround Jones with better talent and better offensive scheme to make him look good, and start asking how can DJ make the rest of the team better? There a lot of good QBs that play with mediocre OL and no-name receivers who manage to put up big games in the NFL b/c the league is so pass happy. It would be great to see DJ get to a point by the end of the season where being "competent" isn't the bar for whether he is a franchise QB.
Define mediocre. Our Oline is the worst in the NFL. I don't even think it's an argument.
The Giants patchwork OL is pass protecting better than people realize. The pressure rate, QB hits and sack rate are near top of the NFL and suggest that Jones has enough time to read the D and throw: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
Now the Giants can't run the ball effectively and Garrett has the WRs running stick routes far too often, but maybe Jones is playing to his potential and that potential is a "competent" QB. I am not sure that is enough.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
Kind of thought it was obvious we were talking about yesterday’s game, which by the way they won, mostly because of Jones, winning s a stat that still matters, right?
Yet , yesterday s win was being discounted by cherry picked stats.
We don’t have to lie about why they mostly won the game. Who kept the Giants in it when they only mustard 3 points on offense through 2 and a half quarters?
He's a troll at this point. Every other post was a bash Eli post because people here rightly believed that you could still win with Eli and that Eli was holding them back. Now 3 years later and yet more losing seasons it is still Eli's fault and Jones is the only bright spot ona team that is the RBs fault, Garret's fault, Coaches fault, Defense fault etc.
Meanwhile Eli was audibling out of plays on the goal line in his first ever game; on his first ever TD drive against a good Championship bound Falcons team. We're still wondering when he is gong to throw TDs and blame garetts play calling. Not to mention that Redskins play when they called the safety up
He gets plenty of bonus points from many fans and possibly from management for being "easy to root for" but his actual performance is below average.
I'm ambivalent about Jones in 2022 - we're going to suck next year regardless so it doesn't matter. The terrifying thing is Jones riding a few good games and his "easy to root for-ness" into a long term deal. That would put a very low ceiling on this franchise for a long time.
Missing on a 1st round pick QB isn't great, but it's not a disaster. It happens all the time. We took a few years, saw that he has no upside. Fine. The disaster is extending it. Then we're doomed to q long period of mediocrity at best. This is a very dangerous time for the team (assuming they have ambitions of actually building a contender)
& unless Mara cleans house, I suspect he's the QB next fall. A new GM & a new HC...then who the hell knows?
Gun to head...I think DG is gone, but JJ is retained & JJ seems high on DJ so...
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and the offense still might not be very good. Those are not mutually exclusive statements. Jones played like a competent QB yesterday, but let's be honest the Defense won that game.
It does not do DJ a disservice to state that he has not earned the "franchise" QB status.
At some point we as fans need to stop asking on how the front office and coaching staff can surround Jones with better talent and better offensive scheme to make him look good, and start asking how can DJ make the rest of the team better? There a lot of good QBs that play with mediocre OL and no-name receivers who manage to put up big games in the NFL b/c the league is so pass happy. It would be great to see DJ get to a point by the end of the season where being "competent" isn't the bar for whether he is a franchise QB.
Define mediocre. Our Oline is the worst in the NFL. I don't even think it's an argument.
The Giants patchwork OL is pass protecting better than people realize. The pressure rate, QB hits and sack rate are near top of the NFL and suggest that Jones has enough time to read the D and throw: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
Now the Giants can't run the ball effectively and Garrett has the WRs running stick routes far too often, but maybe Jones is playing to his potential and that potential is a "competent" QB. I am not sure that is enough.
Simply not true. The protection sucks and Jones is coping as good as you could hope for.
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nor in the win column or the scoring column.
Jones is 21st in QBR, 22 in Y/A, 29th in TD passes, 27th in QB rate, 18th in first downs, 21st in first down percentage.
And for those who claim he is under constant pressure, he's tied for 15th in number of sacks.
His numbers yesterday were a thoroughly pedestrian 22-33 203 yards and a td- virtually the same numbers as Case Keenum against the Broncos.
That is not a "franchise qb". Yes, the Giants won yesterday which is enjoyable, but let's not fool ourselves and continue to fall in love with mediocre players to the extent that we do not demand better. I did enough of that in the 70's, thank you.
I watched the game, I saw a quarterback who was the best player on the field lift his team to victory
Cherry picked statistics don’t change what we saw.
But the debate is over, really no need to engage the critics anymore, other than for the entertainment of it. He will be the quarterback next year and probably well beyond that as well.
Cherry picked stats...lol The man's combined W/L record in college and the NFL is abysmal. All of the reasoning to say the debate is over is subjective. He was not good in the Red Zone yesterday. How bout' he wins a couple games that matter before we close the book on the debate? I am not saying he isn't the guy, I just stepped off the bandwagon TBH. I had to step off because of the overwhelming amount of objective evidence.
For me, wins that matter and TDs in the red zone will convince me. Show me those quick decisions into tight windows inside the twenty. A couple of pretty fade routes, hit some guys crossing along the end line. That kind of thing. You know, what the franchise guys do with some consistency. It is what earns them the label.
Kind of thought it was obvious we were talking about yesterday’s game, which by the way they won, mostly because of Jones, winning s a stat that still matters, right?
Yet , yesterday s win was being discounted by cherry picked stats.
We don’t have to lie about why they mostly won the game. Who kept the Giants in it when they only mustard 3 points on offense through 2 and a half quarters?
He's a troll at this point. Every other post was a bash Eli post because people here rightly believed that you could still win with Eli and that Eli was holding them back. Now 3 years later and yet more losing seasons it is still Eli's fault and Jones is the only bright spot ona team that is the RBs fault, Garret's fault, Coaches fault, Defense fault etc.
Meanwhile Eli was audibling out of plays on the goal line in his first ever game; on his first ever TD drive against a good Championship bound Falcons team. We're still wondering when he is gong to throw TDs and blame garetts play calling. Not to mention that Redskins play when they called the safety up
Debaser, I really don’t understand your repeated argument that my support of Jones somehow equates to disrespecting Eli, I loved Eli and nothing you think can change that.
I enjoy debating other s points of view, but in the the process I make certain to never attack the poster making those points in a personal way.
But here s the thing, I also disengage with those that make personal attacks. I ve obviously upset you to the point you feel the need to name call. I m not in jr high school anymore; I m not a troll.
But you get the last word.
I will no longer take the time to respond to any of your takes on Jones or any other topic.
Nothing personal, but I no longer enjoy the give and take with you.
This only matters when Jones has a good game but the Giants lose, not other QB's Debaser/Producer like. Get with the goal post moving program.
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and the offense still might not be very good. Those are not mutually exclusive statements. Jones played like a competent QB yesterday, but let's be honest the Defense won that game.
It does not do DJ a disservice to state that he has not earned the "franchise" QB status.
At some point we as fans need to stop asking on how the front office and coaching staff can surround Jones with better talent and better offensive scheme to make him look good, and start asking how can DJ make the rest of the team better? There a lot of good QBs that play with mediocre OL and no-name receivers who manage to put up big games in the NFL b/c the league is so pass happy. It would be great to see DJ get to a point by the end of the season where being "competent" isn't the bar for whether he is a franchise QB.
Define mediocre. Our Oline is the worst in the NFL. I don't even think it's an argument.
The Giants patchwork OL is pass protecting better than people realize. The pressure rate, QB hits and sack rate are near top of the NFL and suggest that Jones has enough time to read the D and throw: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
Now the Giants can't run the ball effectively and Garrett has the WRs running stick routes far too often, but maybe Jones is playing to his potential and that potential is a "competent" QB. I am not sure that is enough.
Simply not true. The protection sucks and Jones is coping as good as you could hope for.
He’s in the bottom half of sack rate.
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In comment 15429129 Thunderstruck27 said:
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and the offense still might not be very good. Those are not mutually exclusive statements. Jones played like a competent QB yesterday, but let's be honest the Defense won that game.
It does not do DJ a disservice to state that he has not earned the "franchise" QB status.
At some point we as fans need to stop asking on how the front office and coaching staff can surround Jones with better talent and better offensive scheme to make him look good, and start asking how can DJ make the rest of the team better? There a lot of good QBs that play with mediocre OL and no-name receivers who manage to put up big games in the NFL b/c the league is so pass happy. It would be great to see DJ get to a point by the end of the season where being "competent" isn't the bar for whether he is a franchise QB.
Define mediocre. Our Oline is the worst in the NFL. I don't even think it's an argument.
The Giants patchwork OL is pass protecting better than people realize. The pressure rate, QB hits and sack rate are near top of the NFL and suggest that Jones has enough time to read the D and throw: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/advanced.htm
Now the Giants can't run the ball effectively and Garrett has the WRs running stick routes far too often, but maybe Jones is playing to his potential and that potential is a "competent" QB. I am not sure that is enough.
Simply not true. The protection sucks and Jones is coping as good as you could hope for.
He’s in the bottom half of sack rate.
Only because he is mobile and he is getting rid of the ball quickly.