the various arguments on this thread but I'd assume the Jets brought him in just to have some level of competence at QB. If you have a QB who's not NFL caliber, it can be tough to evaluate the rest of the roster. And you might lose by 50 every game. Both those things are bad. Is it worth a low pick? Debatable, but I can see the logic
Thought Wilson was the next Mahomes/Rodgers purely due to “off-platform” throws. I’ve never read the comment “off-platform” as much as I read it with Wilson. Everyone wanted the next Mahomes.
Now that that Mahomes has had an actual struggle, the next guy is Herbert. I’m embarrassed for Jimmy Johnson that he said he’d take Herbert over Mahomes to start a franchise. Now they’ll look for the next Herbert, maybe a non-SEC QB with a wild good arm that they think they can figure out. Pretty sure that won’t work. The next “guy” will be different. Just like Lamar was different. Or Kyler.
There are different ways to skin the cat. I don’t know what that line means, but I know that the best QBs we draft shouldn’t be compared with the others. What works works. Daniel Jones as ok as he is, he hasn’t worked. Our offense constantly struggles to score TDs. Maybe some of that is due to Jones being awful in the red zone. Passing touch and running ability, Jones has that. But I expected more naturally advanced IQ from a Duke QB. He’s not dumb, but he solidifies why drafting an Ivy League QB doesn’t mean “smart”.
I’m personally ready for someone else who can lead the offense to more fucking TDs
Thought Wilson was the next Mahomes/Rodgers purely due to “off-platform” throws. I’ve never read the comment “off-platform” as much as I read it with Wilson. Everyone wanted the next Mahomes.
Now that that Mahomes has had an actual struggle, the next guy is Herbert. I’m embarrassed for Jimmy Johnson that he said he’d take Herbert over Mahomes to start a franchise. Now they’ll look for the next Herbert, maybe a non-SEC QB with a wild good arm that they think they can figure out. Pretty sure that won’t work. The next “guy” will be different. Just like Lamar was different. Or Kyler.
There are different ways to skin the cat. I don’t know what that line means, but I know that the best QBs we draft shouldn’t be compared with the others. What works works. Daniel Jones as ok as he is, he hasn’t worked. Our offense constantly struggles to score TDs. Maybe some of that is due to Jones being awful in the red zone. Passing touch and running ability, Jones has that. But I expected more naturally advanced IQ from a Duke QB. He’s not dumb, but he solidifies why drafting an Ivy League QB doesn’t mean “smart”.
I’m personally ready for someone else who can lead the offense to more fucking TDs
because you can’t send the message to your players that the seas9n is over in week 7. For a 5th/6th round pick, that makes complete sense. They have a very young team and you need to evaluate and grow these players. You can’t just take a mulligan for the rest of the season.
And the Giants trading for Flacco is silly. Jones is your starter this year, even if he bombs (which he isn’t). You are not trying to push him with a vet who has no reasonable chance of becoming the starter. We get it, you don’t think Jones is the answer. That doesn’t mean you trade for any QB who is available in the NFL.
Where did I say to trade for Flacco? I said bring in real competition w/ a vet. They really should have just drafted Herbert even with Jones there. Just ridiculous to me this guy is our tenured QB... I doubt I am alone.
Name a few that are available.
Why so you can argue that he sucks and jones is 10x better so we don’t need to bring in anyone to compete
We have Glennon here already. So what’s your point? He too is a washed up vet that sucks. Let the competition commence! Oh wait, it already had and the team chose Jones. So again, what’s your point?
You have people trading 6th round picks in mindhew who throw more TDs, you have darnold getting traded for a 2nd and 4th pick. Both played on crap teams threw for more TDs than Jones
My point furthermore that this team is going to retain jones while replacing pretty much every player, the coaching staff, and the GM — is totally unrealistic.
I’d rather start Glennon; to see what you have wink wink then tank.andcstart the rebuild process.
We shouldn’t be wondering about jones. It shouldn’t be 2 gears...either a guy who can throw TDs and fumble/ int 40 x or a guy who has no turnovers but doesn’t play to win or score TDs.
Have started with this horrible record. This team should have seen an improvement from last year and from jones instead it’s prettu much the same shit. Good teams don’t wait till week 10 to get their act together
RE: RE: No idea but I’m sure as fuck not trading for Joe Flacco
No idea why you keep talking about him. He sucks and the team that traded for him absolutely regrets doing so. Even funnier is the Jets moved on from Darnold for what was supposed to be a much better prospect and he sucks right now too. You can keep posting the same shit over and over again and it still won't make any sense.
I fully support an upgrade at QB if an opportunity to do so presents itself without getting completely bent over in a trade. But until then pining for vet QB's who absolutely stink to create competition is just a last ditch effort to complain about something. Every vet QB's that was brought in to help young QB's has failed miserably and looks like it had no impact on the young guys. Its a fake scenario.
that our front office does not have even the thought of bringing ina vet to compete for the job with our tenured QB. It's pretty much all in on jones.
Joe Flacco would have been the answer? I did not think you could top any if your prior ridiculous posts but you just keep inventing new ones. Congrats..
that our front office does not have even the thought of bringing ina vet to compete for the job with our tenured QB. It's pretty much all in on jones. Losses ; no TDs; we are just sticking with this come hell or high water. And will have losing season after losing season until we have enough draft players to finally make a somewhat respectable season.
Perhaps you should change your handle to Freebaser?
1. I never said Darnold threw 20 TDs in a season. By double the TDs I was talking about this season. Jones has 4 I believe Darnold has 7. Minshew threw for 20 TDs.
2. I never said I wanted Flaco on this team.
I just find it completely strange that it is year 3 and either this coach or Jones is still a mystery. Let's release the hounds and see what Jones can do in the red zone.
Either Garrett is doing this because I suspect he knows exactly what is going to happen; seeing ghosts is not going to be a one week joke but run on joke for many weeks. Or he is completely conservative.
I am leaning to the first one. I know that because the play calling changed instantly when Glennon went in the 2nd half of the Dallas game.
But yea put all your eggs in a basket on a career loser -- what do I give a shit.
RE: Darnold never threw for 20 TD's in a season before
No idea why you keep talking about him. He sucks and the team that traded for him absolutely regrets doing so. Even funnier is the Jets moved on from Darnold for what was supposed to be a much better prospect and he sucks right now too. You can keep posting the same shit over and over again and it still won't make any sense.
I fully support an upgrade at QB if an opportunity to do so presents itself without getting completely bent over in a trade. But until then pining for vet QB's who absolutely stink to create competition is just a last ditch effort to complain about something. Every vet QB's that was brought in to help young QB's has failed miserably and looks like it had no impact on the young guys. Its a fake scenario.
Just so pathetic that you have to keep beating this Darnold sucks drum to provve some point about a QB who is not that much better at best, and probably will be much worse. At least Darnold played to win a game. Darnold threw into tight windows. If the D was not playing the best game I have ever seen them play since like literally 2016 -- 5 years -- this would not have been 5-3.
I've stated numerous times that I'm completely fine upgrading if there's an option. But YOU are the one talking about Darnold. YOU are the one that brought up how the trade for him was a "song". YOU are the one that thinks the Jets should be applauded for bringing in Flacco, something we should have apparently done to push Jones.
This thread turned to garbage the second you started posting.
Side note, "atleast Darnold played to win" might be the funniest thing I've ever read since it was against the guy you think stinks who apparently didn't play to win, but won?
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Bleedblue10 : 10/25/2021 7:04 pm : link : reply
Some of the Jones hate is too much and it’s literally only on this board by Giants “fans”. Analysts, Twitter, radio personality’s are all giving the kid his due but the only people he can’t seem to win over are fans of the team he plays for. Not that anyone asked or even care what I think but if that’s the case go root for another team. If you can’t celebrate a win because you have to constantly criticize then the problem stems with you"
Well there you go, you've got it. The problem IS with them - frustrated, impotent, unappreciated losers finding empowerment through hindsight and putdowns.
I've stated numerous times that I'm completely fine upgrading if there's an option. But YOU are the one talking about Darnold. YOU are the one that brought up how the trade for him was a "song". YOU are the one that thinks the Jets should be applauded for bringing in Flacco, something we should have apparently done to push Jones.
This thread turned to garbage the second you started posting.
Side note, "atleast Darnold played to win" might be the funniest thing I've ever read since it was against the guy you think stinks who apparently didn't play to win, but won?
Darnold was playing to win but apparently Rhule didn’t want anything to do with that so he benched Darnold to insure the loss. He knew Sam was getting ready to work his magic at any moment…
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Bleedblue10 : 10/25/2021 7:04 pm : link : reply
Some of the Jones hate is too much and it’s literally only on this board by Giants “fans”. Analysts, Twitter, radio personality’s are all giving the kid his due but the only people he can’t seem to win over are fans of the team he plays for. Not that anyone asked or even care what I think but if that’s the case go root for another team. If you can’t celebrate a win because you have to constantly criticize then the problem stems with you"
Well there you go, you've got it. The problem IS with them - frustrated, impotent, unappreciated losers finding empowerment through hindsight and putdowns.
This is the only thing you ever post anymore. Looks like this most recent Grizz iteration is starting to circle the drain just like the last one.
Minshew a/k/a the guy Philly kept inactive behind Flacco so if Hurts got injured Flacco would come into the game?
Philly has to give up a 5th rounder instead of a 6th if Minshew plays a certain number of snaps, THAT is why they activated Flacco over Minshew. They gave up a pick for Minshew, they signed Flacco off the street. Do you really think the Jets would prefer Flacco over Minshew?
So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
that our front office does not have even the thought of bringing ina vet to compete for the job with our tenured QB. It's pretty much all in on jones. Losses ; no TDs; we are just sticking with this come hell or high water. And will have losing season after losing season until we have enough draft players to finally make a somewhat respectable season.
You want the Giants to bring in a washed up guy like Flacco to compete with Jones? Flacco couldn't even compete with Mike Glennon.
With debaser. Guy is clearly clueless, probably an Odell fan boy still crying about Getts trading him, so any pick of his or move of his, the player automatically stinks in his eyes. Jones shows promise, WRs actually catch passes and bring them into the end zone, passing TDs are not just on the QB. Chase has only caught one TD in the end zone this year. KT is 28th in Yac while only playing 2 and half games. Barkley is 53rd in his 3 games, no other Giant is in the top 100. Not sure why anyone cares what the horrible Jets do, is that who debaser wants to emulate as a franchise.
"Jets coach Robert Saleh said he has "a lot of faith" in fill-in starter Mike White.
Forced into the game because of Zach Wilson's knee injury, White threw a touchdown on his first attempt against the Patriots, but things went downhill from there. He finished with 202 yards and two interceptions in addition to that touchdown. With Wilson out for at least two weeks, it looks like White will get the first crack at the starting job even after the Jets traded for Joe Flacco on Monday. This remains an offense to avoid if possible."
With debaser. Guy is clearly clueless, probably an Odell fan boy still crying about Getts trading him, so any pick of his or move of his, the player automatically stinks in his eyes. Jones shows promise, WRs actually catch passes and bring them into the end zone, passing TDs are not just on the QB. Chase has only caught one TD in the end zone this year. KT is 28th in Yac while only playing 2 and half games. Barkley is 53rd in his 3 games, no other Giant is in the top 100. Not sure why anyone cares what the horrible Jets do, is that who debaser wants to emulate as a franchise.
It's so weird when dupe trolls argue with each other.
So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
But YOU are the one talking about Darnold. YOU are the one that brought up how the trade for him was a "song".
You 're still stuck on this? I answered your question. you don't have the monopoly on what defines football reality.
A 4th and 2nd and 4 mil salary this year -- which is below avg. for a starting NFL QB -- is a pretty good deal for someone who was a consensus top 10 pick in the draft not that long ago. Even if they pay his option it is still below avg.
Or do you think he is just not a starting level NFL QB? So he should make as much as a McDonalds worker because you said he sucks? And only then will you agree that got him for a song.
So you know more than Coach Rhule who is starting him this week right ? But I am so glad you are here man ; I am sure Bill Belichek is just scouring your posts for ideas on who to bring on to play for the patriots.
So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
Seek help.
There is someone here who is posting using at least 3 different handles. I figured it out after seeing the language, sentence structure, and even misspelling of specific words align with all three handles.
The funny thing is to then see the person post using one handle, then 20 min later the other handle pops up in the thread agreeing with the original post from the first... then the third handle doing the same thing.
It takes a special kind of person with serious mental issues to do this.
I’m merely refuting all the really awful points you keep making. Sam Darnold sucks and it was a bad trade. Carolina heads into the 2022 draft with far less equity then they had before trading for a guy that’s going to eat into their 2022 cap by $18m unless they find a way to offload him via trade. Really expensive backup.
So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
Seek help.
There is someone here who is posting using at least 3 different handles. I figured it out after seeing the language, sentence structure, and even misspelling of specific words align with all three handles.
The funny thing is to then see the person post using one handle, then 20 min later the other handle pops up in the thread agreeing with the original post from the first... then the third handle doing the same thing.
It takes a special kind of person with serious mental issues to do this.
I’m merely refuting all the really awful points you keep making. Sam Darnold sucks and it was a bad trade. Carolina heads into the 2022 draft with far less equity then they had before trading for a guy that’s going to eat into their 2022 cap by $18m unless they find a way to offload him via trade. Really expensive backup.
You’re not refuting jack shit. Darnold is a starter in this league and that is not a lot of money for a starter.
Also totally comical that I’m part of some elaborate collusion with producer or geo terps. Aside from the fact we talk about our personal lives and I started watching in the 80s and him a raider fan in the 70s.is it really hard to believe we don’t think a guy who the coach staff is playing ultra conservative; not scoring and losing a lot is not the answer at an?
I’m merely refuting all the really awful points you keep making. Sam Darnold sucks and it was a bad trade. Carolina heads into the 2022 draft with far less equity then they had before trading for a guy that’s going to eat into their 2022 cap by $18m unless they find a way to offload him via trade. Really expensive backup.
You’re not refuting jack shit. Darnold is a starter in this league and that is not a lot of money for a starter.
Also totally comical that I’m part of some elaborate collusion with producer or geo terps. Aside from the fact we talk about our personal lives and I started watching in the 80s and him a raider fan in the 70s.is it really hard to believe we don’t think a guy who the coach staff is playing ultra conservative; not scoring and losing a lot is not the answer at an?
I don’t always agree with Terps but nobody on this site thinks he’d be colluding with you. He’s probably actually mortified that you and he seem to be on the same page as far as Jones is concerned. In fact, it may so embarrassing for him that he reconsiders his position.
but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
I was but I was trying to be positive and optimistic given that I think he is going to be a Giant for a long time. The more I think about how the fix is in ; and this guy is on like a 3 yr honeymoon. And I think about players like Minshew who are like 3rd stringers despite having double the TDs and like 3500 yards (or whatever) the more pissed I get with the Giants FO and coaches who are dong this to shelter Jones or save face or who knows why they are doing this.
RE: RE: Darnold would be a cheap starter if he was good
but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
$0 for a starter who stinks and drags the team down is too costly. That’s effectively how you feel about Jones so why isn’t Darnold held to that same standard? He’s cheap this year and it hasn’t matter because he and that offense stink - congrats?
The trade for him stunk and the $18m I’m dead money next year is terrible. This is very simple to understand, everyone but you gets it.
RE: RE: RE: Darnold would be a cheap starter if he was good
but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
$0 for a starter who stinks and drags the team down is too costly. That’s effectively how you feel about Jones so why isn’t Darnold held to that same standard? He’s cheap this year and it hasn’t matter because he and that offense stink - congrats?
The trade for him stunk and the $18m I’m dead money next year is terrible. This is very simple to understand, everyone but you gets it.
Oh so it's about JOnes and not objectively looking at the trade. OK.
No one really knows why when Judge and Garett became coaches did they start with this ultra conservative game plan. It effectively reduced JOnes scoring and gave him a ridiculous low TD output. THat is what the point of footbal is!!! To score TDs and win games! I suspect it has somethng to do with the front office. Or I have no idea why they are doing this.
So now lets look at Darnold. He was a consensus top 10 pick. He went to the Jets; played for a horrible team and coach that won one game a year? He get traded to Coach Rhule-- who has pretty much has universal praise and respect around here. And gets to start. Who gets traded under those circumstances and starts on another team ?
You would think he would end up as a back up somewhere. I saw him play pretty well for like a new team against a whatever opponent but like kick shit out of them.
how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
Jones is also cheaper this year and just beat him. What’s the next goal post to address?
He made one weird trcik play and he beat him? It had nothing to do with the Defense playing the game of the year? Leanard nothing. Ojulari he had nothing to do with it. Bradberry nothing. It was jones who threw one TD that I could have thrown. Quit sucking his dick and grow up he sucks
Now that that Mahomes has had an actual struggle, the next guy is Herbert. I’m embarrassed for Jimmy Johnson that he said he’d take Herbert over Mahomes to start a franchise. Now they’ll look for the next Herbert, maybe a non-SEC QB with a wild good arm that they think they can figure out. Pretty sure that won’t work. The next “guy” will be different. Just like Lamar was different. Or Kyler.
There are different ways to skin the cat. I don’t know what that line means, but I know that the best QBs we draft shouldn’t be compared with the others. What works works. Daniel Jones as ok as he is, he hasn’t worked. Our offense constantly struggles to score TDs. Maybe some of that is due to Jones being awful in the red zone. Passing touch and running ability, Jones has that. But I expected more naturally advanced IQ from a Duke QB. He’s not dumb, but he solidifies why drafting an Ivy League QB doesn’t mean “smart”.
I’m personally ready for someone else who can lead the offense to more fucking TDs
Now that that Mahomes has had an actual struggle, the next guy is Herbert. I’m embarrassed for Jimmy Johnson that he said he’d take Herbert over Mahomes to start a franchise. Now they’ll look for the next Herbert, maybe a non-SEC QB with a wild good arm that they think they can figure out. Pretty sure that won’t work. The next “guy” will be different. Just like Lamar was different. Or Kyler.
There are different ways to skin the cat. I don’t know what that line means, but I know that the best QBs we draft shouldn’t be compared with the others. What works works. Daniel Jones as ok as he is, he hasn’t worked. Our offense constantly struggles to score TDs. Maybe some of that is due to Jones being awful in the red zone. Passing touch and running ability, Jones has that. But I expected more naturally advanced IQ from a Duke QB. He’s not dumb, but he solidifies why drafting an Ivy League QB doesn’t mean “smart”.
I’m personally ready for someone else who can lead the offense to more fucking TDs
Joe Flacco
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because you can’t send the message to your players that the seas9n is over in week 7. For a 5th/6th round pick, that makes complete sense. They have a very young team and you need to evaluate and grow these players. You can’t just take a mulligan for the rest of the season.
And the Giants trading for Flacco is silly. Jones is your starter this year, even if he bombs (which he isn’t). You are not trying to push him with a vet who has no reasonable chance of becoming the starter. We get it, you don’t think Jones is the answer. That doesn’t mean you trade for any QB who is available in the NFL.
Where did I say to trade for Flacco? I said bring in real competition w/ a vet. They really should have just drafted Herbert even with Jones there. Just ridiculous to me this guy is our tenured QB... I doubt I am alone.
Name a few that are available.
Why so you can argue that he sucks and jones is 10x better so we don’t need to bring in anyone to compete
We have Glennon here already. So what’s your point? He too is a washed up vet that sucks. Let the competition commence! Oh wait, it already had and the team chose Jones. So again, what’s your point?
My point furthermore that this team is going to retain jones while replacing pretty much every player, the coaching staff, and the GM — is totally unrealistic.
I’d rather start Glennon; to see what you have wink wink then tank.andcstart the rebuild process.
We shouldn’t be wondering about jones. It shouldn’t be 2 gears...either a guy who can throw TDs and fumble/ int 40 x or a guy who has no turnovers but doesn’t play to win or score TDs.
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Not after he types either. Or during.
This coming from a big suit mcadoo fan reminiscent of the good old days of Ben Mcadoo. Lol!
No idea why you keep talking about him. He sucks and the team that traded for him absolutely regrets doing so. Even funnier is the Jets moved on from Darnold for what was supposed to be a much better prospect and he sucks right now too. You can keep posting the same shit over and over again and it still won't make any sense.
I fully support an upgrade at QB if an opportunity to do so presents itself without getting completely bent over in a trade. But until then pining for vet QB's who absolutely stink to create competition is just a last ditch effort to complain about something. Every vet QB's that was brought in to help young QB's has failed miserably and looks like it had no impact on the young guys. Its a fake scenario.
Joe Flacco would have been the answer? I did not think you could top any if your prior ridiculous posts but you just keep inventing new ones. Congrats..
Perhaps you should change your handle to Freebaser?
2. I never said I wanted Flaco on this team.
I just find it completely strange that it is year 3 and either this coach or Jones is still a mystery. Let's release the hounds and see what Jones can do in the red zone.
Either Garrett is doing this because I suspect he knows exactly what is going to happen; seeing ghosts is not going to be a one week joke but run on joke for many weeks. Or he is completely conservative.
I am leaning to the first one. I know that because the play calling changed instantly when Glennon went in the 2nd half of the Dallas game.
But yea put all your eggs in a basket on a career loser -- what do I give a shit.
No idea why you keep talking about him. He sucks and the team that traded for him absolutely regrets doing so. Even funnier is the Jets moved on from Darnold for what was supposed to be a much better prospect and he sucks right now too. You can keep posting the same shit over and over again and it still won't make any sense.
I fully support an upgrade at QB if an opportunity to do so presents itself without getting completely bent over in a trade. But until then pining for vet QB's who absolutely stink to create competition is just a last ditch effort to complain about something. Every vet QB's that was brought in to help young QB's has failed miserably and looks like it had no impact on the young guys. Its a fake scenario.
Just so pathetic that you have to keep beating this Darnold sucks drum to provve some point about a QB who is not that much better at best, and probably will be much worse. At least Darnold played to win a game. Darnold threw into tight windows. If the D was not playing the best game I have ever seen them play since like literally 2016 -- 5 years -- this would not have been 5-3.
This thread turned to garbage the second you started posting.
Side note, "atleast Darnold played to win" might be the funniest thing I've ever read since it was against the guy you think stinks who apparently didn't play to win, but won?
Bleedblue10 : 10/25/2021 7:04 pm : link : reply
Some of the Jones hate is too much and it’s literally only on this board by Giants “fans”. Analysts, Twitter, radio personality’s are all giving the kid his due but the only people he can’t seem to win over are fans of the team he plays for. Not that anyone asked or even care what I think but if that’s the case go root for another team. If you can’t celebrate a win because you have to constantly criticize then the problem stems with you"
Well there you go, you've got it. The problem IS with them - frustrated, impotent, unappreciated losers finding empowerment through hindsight and putdowns.
This thread turned to garbage the second you started posting.
Side note, "atleast Darnold played to win" might be the funniest thing I've ever read since it was against the guy you think stinks who apparently didn't play to win, but won?
Darnold was playing to win but apparently Rhule didn’t want anything to do with that so he benched Darnold to insure the loss. He knew Sam was getting ready to work his magic at any moment…
Bleedblue10 : 10/25/2021 7:04 pm : link : reply
Some of the Jones hate is too much and it’s literally only on this board by Giants “fans”. Analysts, Twitter, radio personality’s are all giving the kid his due but the only people he can’t seem to win over are fans of the team he plays for. Not that anyone asked or even care what I think but if that’s the case go root for another team. If you can’t celebrate a win because you have to constantly criticize then the problem stems with you"
Well there you go, you've got it. The problem IS with them - frustrated, impotent, unappreciated losers finding empowerment through hindsight and putdowns.
This is the only thing you ever post anymore. Looks like this most recent Grizz iteration is starting to circle the drain just like the last one.
Minshew a/k/a the guy Philly kept inactive behind Flacco so if Hurts got injured Flacco would come into the game?
Philly has to give up a 5th rounder instead of a 6th if Minshew plays a certain number of snaps, THAT is why they activated Flacco over Minshew. They gave up a pick for Minshew, they signed Flacco off the street. Do you really think the Jets would prefer Flacco over Minshew?
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
You want the Giants to bring in a washed up guy like Flacco to compete with Jones? Flacco couldn't even compete with Mike Glennon.
Forced into the game because of Zach Wilson's knee injury, White threw a touchdown on his first attempt against the Patriots, but things went downhill from there. He finished with 202 yards and two interceptions in addition to that touchdown. With Wilson out for at least two weeks, it looks like White will get the first crack at the starting job even after the Jets traded for Joe Flacco on Monday. This remains an offense to avoid if possible."
It's so weird when dupe trolls argue with each other.
Just curious, did Adam Gase have any future coaching options, or is that just an excuse that we extend to Daniel Jones?
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So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
Seek help.
You 're still stuck on this? I answered your question. you don't have the monopoly on what defines football reality.
A 4th and 2nd and 4 mil salary this year -- which is below avg. for a starting NFL QB -- is a pretty good deal for someone who was a consensus top 10 pick in the draft not that long ago. Even if they pay his option it is still below avg.
Or do you think he is just not a starting level NFL QB? So he should make as much as a McDonalds worker because you said he sucks? And only then will you agree that got him for a song.
So you know more than Coach Rhule who is starting him this week right ? But I am so glad you are here man ; I am sure Bill Belichek is just scouring your posts for ideas on who to bring on to play for the patriots.
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So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
Seek help.
There is someone here who is posting using at least 3 different handles. I figured it out after seeing the language, sentence structure, and even misspelling of specific words align with all three handles.
The funny thing is to then see the person post using one handle, then 20 min later the other handle pops up in the thread agreeing with the original post from the first... then the third handle doing the same thing.
It takes a special kind of person with serious mental issues to do this.
Too bad Eric cannot track the IP addresses.
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So Darnold was playing to win but we weren't? I'm so lost.
You’re really lost? You’re telling me you have not noticed this year has been marked by all the pooch punting from mid field; hardly going for it on 4th down ; basically calling games not to lose by the coaching staff? And other pussy behaviors like not releasing the hounds with jones ?
You really didn’t notice that in the Atlanta game at the very least?
The only time they actually changed the play calling to aggressive was when jones got hurt and Glennon entered the game
Playing to win means taking chances on tight throws in the red zone to score points when you’re behind in mid field. That roll out play darnold three to his TE. He wasn’t open ; darnold just threw it where he could only get. Other times it means he misses or bardberry or another secondary player makes a play and picks it off. Jones doesn’t throw a lot of INTs but he also doesn’t throw a lot of TD s either
What kind of person keeps creating new handles to join a community where they repeatedly get told that their opinion is uninformed, and rather than get more informed, they just get more handles?
Seek help.
There is someone here who is posting using at least 3 different handles. I figured it out after seeing the language, sentence structure, and even misspelling of specific words align with all three handles.
The funny thing is to then see the person post using one handle, then 20 min later the other handle pops up in the thread agreeing with the original post from the first... then the third handle doing the same thing.
It takes a special kind of person with serious mental issues to do this.
Too bad Eric cannot track the IP addresses.
Debaser, Producer, and...?
You’re not refuting jack shit. Darnold is a starter in this league and that is not a lot of money for a starter.
Also totally comical that I’m part of some elaborate collusion with producer or geo terps. Aside from the fact we talk about our personal lives and I started watching in the 80s and him a raider fan in the 70s.is it really hard to believe we don’t think a guy who the coach staff is playing ultra conservative; not scoring and losing a lot is not the answer at an?
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I’m merely refuting all the really awful points you keep making. Sam Darnold sucks and it was a bad trade. Carolina heads into the 2022 draft with far less equity then they had before trading for a guy that’s going to eat into their 2022 cap by $18m unless they find a way to offload him via trade. Really expensive backup.
You’re not refuting jack shit. Darnold is a starter in this league and that is not a lot of money for a starter.
Also totally comical that I’m part of some elaborate collusion with producer or geo terps. Aside from the fact we talk about our personal lives and I started watching in the 80s and him a raider fan in the 70s.is it really hard to believe we don’t think a guy who the coach staff is playing ultra conservative; not scoring and losing a lot is not the answer at an?
I don’t always agree with Terps but nobody on this site thinks he’d be colluding with you. He’s probably actually mortified that you and he seem to be on the same page as far as Jones is concerned. In fact, it may so embarrassing for him that he reconsiders his position.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
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how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
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how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
I was but I was trying to be positive and optimistic given that I think he is going to be a Giant for a long time. The more I think about how the fix is in ; and this guy is on like a 3 yr honeymoon. And I think about players like Minshew who are like 3rd stringers despite having double the TDs and like 3500 yards (or whatever) the more pissed I get with the Giants FO and coaches who are dong this to shelter Jones or save face or who knows why they are doing this.
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but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
$0 for a starter who stinks and drags the team down is too costly. That’s effectively how you feel about Jones so why isn’t Darnold held to that same standard? He’s cheap this year and it hasn’t matter because he and that offense stink - congrats?
The trade for him stunk and the $18m I’m dead money next year is terrible. This is very simple to understand, everyone but you gets it.
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but he’s a bad starter that cost a 2nd and 4th and his salary next year is fully guaranteed. What difference does it make how cheap he is if they stink? Jones’ salary being cheap hasn’t helped, and Darnold isn’t either.
You are really really bad at this, by the way.
So you're changing it now. First it was the money. When it is pointed out to you that 4 mil this year and 18 mil next year isn't a lot of money -- in fact it is below avg for a starter. Then it becomes "well he stinks anyway so he is not worth any money. " IS that it now? Or is it a 2nd and 4th ? One of which is practically a lottery pick.
$0 for a starter who stinks and drags the team down is too costly. That’s effectively how you feel about Jones so why isn’t Darnold held to that same standard? He’s cheap this year and it hasn’t matter because he and that offense stink - congrats?
The trade for him stunk and the $18m I’m dead money next year is terrible. This is very simple to understand, everyone but you gets it.
Oh so it's about JOnes and not objectively looking at the trade. OK.
No one really knows why when Judge and Garett became coaches did they start with this ultra conservative game plan. It effectively reduced JOnes scoring and gave him a ridiculous low TD output. THat is what the point of footbal is!!! To score TDs and win games! I suspect it has somethng to do with the front office. Or I have no idea why they are doing this.
So now lets look at Darnold. He was a consensus top 10 pick. He went to the Jets; played for a horrible team and coach that won one game a year? He get traded to Coach Rhule-- who has pretty much has universal praise and respect around here. And gets to start. Who gets traded under those circumstances and starts on another team ?
You would think he would end up as a back up somewhere. I saw him play pretty well for like a new team against a whatever opponent but like kick shit out of them.
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how are we the same person. We have different views.
I'm not really pro jones as I was trying to be positive and realistic.... I am starting to think Jones is going to be here for a long time I am afraid. But I mean the more I watch the Giants the more confused I get about why are they doing this ultra conservative game plan and play calling? And why did it change so abruptly when glennon played?
I'm confused. Weren't you defending him to me last week?
He made one weird trcik play and he beat him? It had nothing to do with the Defense playing the game of the year? Leanard nothing. Ojulari he had nothing to do with it. Bradberry nothing. It was jones who threw one TD that I could have thrown. Quit sucking his dick and grow up he sucks
I’d like to hear more about this song of a trade though. Ready when you are.