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Best Giants team of your lifetime NOT to win it all?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/25/2021 7:00 pm
I'm sure most everyone will either have '89 or '08. For me, it is '08. I got sucked down a Youtube rabbit hole earlier & found myself watching '08 game clips. Man...that team was so freaking good. They ran for over 200-TWO HUNDRED-yards on a Ravens defense. Read that sentence again!

Such a damn shame Plax shot himself/DL wore down as the season progressed. We could have used Osi, that's for sure. Back to back titles would have been damn nice.
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2008, I think Plax's presence is sort of underrated  
widmerseyebrow : 10/26/2021 10:25 am : link
Yes, he wasn't having a stellar season, but he was the one guy that kept the offense from being one dimensional. That turned out to be critical once they started facing tougher defenses. You had to respect him over the top and near the end zone. Old Toomer, young Steve Smith, and Domenik Hixon scared no one.

Yes the rest of the team was losing steam. But with Plax I think the they find a way to win although not as dominatingly.
89 was the best...  
rsjem1979 : 10/26/2021 11:02 am : link
...'08 was the bigger missed opportunity.

Coming off what many considered a "fluke" Super Bowl, the Giants were THE dominant NFL team from September until Thanksgiving. They weren't nearly as good in December and obviously the Plax thing hurt them offensively, but the opportunity to win back-to-back Super Bowls as the NFC's #1 seed was right there. That would have been a tremendous accomplishment.

In '89, it's likely that they would have lost in San Fran the next week. That's not a knock on the Giants, that's a credit to the '89 49ers, one of the best teams in NFL history that was also peaking at the right time.

People say nobody gave the 49ers a tougher time than the Giants in that era, and that's true, but 2nd on the list was the Rams - they'd beaten them 13-12 at Candlestick early in '89, and were ahead 27-10 in the 4th quarter on MNF in Anaheim in early December before San Fran rallied to win.

The 49ers fucking pummeled them in the NFC Championship Game. The Giants wouldn't have been embarrassed in '89, but they would most likely have lost the game.

I know that's what people said before the '90 game too, but in hindsight, even if the '90 Giants weren't as good as '89, the '90 49ers were running on fumes at that point. Montana had been banged up, they literally could not run the ball so they were a one-dimensional offense. They were ripe to be beaten.
1958, 1963, 2008  
clatterbuck : 10/26/2021 11:26 am : link
1958: We wuz robbed.
1963: Tittle got cheap-shot injured.
2008: Plax.
My first thought was 1989 and of course 2008, BUT  
Amtoft : 10/26/2021 1:32 pm : link
I am going with 2000. We went 12-4, beat Philly by 10 in the first round, and destroyed Vikings 41-0 in the championship game. We ran into one of the best defenses ever to play, they had a pick 6 and a kick return for a TD which are both rare (yes we had a kick return also), but that was Kerry Collins worst game ever. 15 for 39 no TDs with 4 picks. That is how he was though. Most games he was pretty good QB, but some games he just was brutal and couldn't pull himself out of it and that was one of his most brutal game again one of the best Defenses.
'89  
JonC : 10/26/2021 1:48 pm : link
2008 was a huge missed opportunity, 1989 was a better team. Would've had to beat SF on the road, while not impossible, it was awfully difficult back in those days. '89 49ers seemed destined to win it all. 2008 Giants blew it, it was right there and they flat ran out of gas.

2000 and 1993 teams were a legit couple/few notches below SB champ material. 2010 team was better, but was blocked by GB that season.
I read this as  
santacruzom : 10/26/2021 2:02 pm : link
"not to win at all," and sadly had quite a few seasons to choose from.
JonC  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/26/2021 2:06 pm : link
A part of me wonders how far that '93 team goes if it secures HFA. I don't know if they end up beating Dallas or SF @ home, but it would have been a helluva lot more competitive than 44-3.
RE: JonC  
Victor in CT : 10/26/2021 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15430195 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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A part of me wonders how far that '93 team goes if it secures HFA. I don't know if they end up beating Dallas or SF @ home, but it would have been a helluva lot more competitive than 44-3.


Reeves always coached not to lose. They went into the fetal position from the first snap at SF in 1993. It was my worst day as a Giants fan
RE: RE: JonC  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/26/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15430218 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 15430195 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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A part of me wonders how far that '93 team goes if it secures HFA. I don't know if they end up beating Dallas or SF @ home, but it would have been a helluva lot more competitive than 44-3.



Reeves always coached not to lose. They went into the fetal position from the first snap at SF in 1993. It was my worst day as a Giants fan


I remember being so juiced for that game & it was like 23-0 SF in a blink of an eye. We've had some real highs ('90 NFC title game, '11 NFC title game) & some real lows ('93 divisonal game, 1/5/03) in the Bay.
1989 and I agree with Parcells  
arniefez : 10/26/2021 2:19 pm : link
That the 1989 team was better than the 1990 team. If I could change the outcome of only one Giants game it would be that one. Even above the Fassel Super Bowl loss.
SF  
JonC : 10/26/2021 2:20 pm : link
49ers and Cowboys were much better teams that year, especially the latter. I think the 16-13 loss was as close as the Giants could hope to be, as they were pretty bad on offense. Too many ex-Broncos, bad mojo!
This is a great question  
montanagiant : 10/26/2021 2:33 pm : link
As good as those teams in the '80s were I still think the 2012 season is the one that stands out to me. They may not have as the most talented but that team was a juggernaut and you could feel the momentum building up to when Plax shot himself at a strip club. After that, the team was just not the same
RE: This is a great question  
Jimmy Googs : 10/26/2021 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15430268 montanagiant said:
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As good as those teams in the '80s were I still think the 2012 season is the one that stands out to me. They may not have as the most talented but that team was a juggernaut and you could feel the momentum building up to when Plax shot himself at a strip club. After that, the team was just not the same


2008 season (not 2012)...
RE: '89  
rsjem1979 : 10/26/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15430151 JonC said:
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2008 was a huge missed opportunity, 1989 was a better team. Would've had to beat SF on the road, while not impossible, it was awfully difficult back in those days. '89 49ers seemed destined to win it all. 2008 Giants blew it, it was right there and they flat ran out of gas.

2000 and 1993 teams were a legit couple/few notches below SB champ material. 2010 team was better, but was blocked by GB that season.


Yeah the 2000 team, to me, is a team that overachieved. That was a pretty weak NFC that year, and a weak schedule helped them get homefield against a Vikings team that was dead the minute they walked off the bus.

If that Super Bowl against the Ravens went 100 quarters, the Giants still wouldn't have scored an offensive TD. Collins was clueless. Tennessee would have beaten them in the Super Bowl too - the AFC had the three best teams in the NFL that year.
RE: RE: This is a great question  
montanagiant : 10/26/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15430333 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15430268 montanagiant said:


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As good as those teams in the '80s were I still think the 2012 season is the one that stands out to me. They may not have as the most talented but that team was a juggernaut and you could feel the momentum building up to when Plax shot himself at a strip club. After that, the team was just not the same



2008 season (not 2012)...

You are indeed correct, my bad.
RE: RE: '89  
JonC : 10/26/2021 4:11 pm : link
In comment 15430352 rsjem1979 said:
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2008 was a huge missed opportunity, 1989 was a better team. Would've had to beat SF on the road, while not impossible, it was awfully difficult back in those days. '89 49ers seemed destined to win it all. 2008 Giants blew it, it was right there and they flat ran out of gas.

2000 and 1993 teams were a legit couple/few notches below SB champ material. 2010 team was better, but was blocked by GB that season.



Yeah the 2000 team, to me, is a team that overachieved. That was a pretty weak NFC that year, and a weak schedule helped them get homefield against a Vikings team that was dead the minute they walked off the bus.

If that Super Bowl against the Ravens went 100 quarters, the Giants still wouldn't have scored an offensive TD. Collins was clueless. Tennessee would have beaten them in the Super Bowl too - the AFC had the three best teams in the NFL that year.


Yep, Giants avoided the two best NFC teams.
 
christian : 10/26/2021 10:30 pm : link
The nostalgia for the 2008 season and the facts around Burress don’t line up.

Burress had a poor season in 2008 and the Giants were succeeding earlier in the year despite him.

Burress was injured, in and out of trouble and suspensions, and the Giants had some of their best games of the year without him in the lineup.

The Giants were banged up, ran out of gas, and laid an egg in Philly.

You add the 2008 version of Burress to that team, and they’re still coming up way short in the playoffs.
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Optimus-NY : 10/27/2021 3:28 am : link
In comment 15430992 christian said:
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The nostalgia for the 2008 season and the facts around Burress don’t line up.

Burress had a poor season in 2008 and the Giants were succeeding earlier in the year despite him.

Burress was injured, in and out of trouble and suspensions, and the Giants had some of their best games of the year without him in the lineup.

The Giants were banged up, ran out of gas, and laid an egg in Philly.

You add the 2008 version of Burress to that team, and they’re still coming up way short in the playoffs.


That ain't what Jim Johnson, the late, great D.C. of the Eagles at that time said about the loss of Burress. Brian Dawkins felt that same:

The Eagles’ defenders told a different story. Jim Johnson, Philadelphia’s defensive coordinator, conceded that Burress’s absence drastically changed the way his team defended the Giants.

“He’s such a unique individual, especially in the red zone,” Johnson said, adding that the Giants’ other receivers were good but Burress “always seems to come up with big plays.”

“He makes a difference,” he said.

Brian Dawkins, the Eagles’ veteran safety, wasted no time in explaining what the absence of Burress meant.

“As a defense, you don’t have to be as concerned about roaming from one guy to another because you can’t play Plaxico one-on-one without expecting him to have a huge game,” he said.

Dawkins said that without Burress, “there is a huge, huge part of their offense taken away.”



Problems on Offense Began With Burress’s Absence By William C. Rhoden Jan. 11, 2009 - ( New Window )
RE: 1963 Team.  
Carson53 : 10/28/2021 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15429354 Red Dog said:
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Unable to beat the defending World Champion Packers.
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Actually in 1963, lost to the Bears in Chicago.
That's the game Tittle got hurt, and Shofner dropped a
somewhat high pass in the EZ.
They lost to the Packers in '61 in Green Bay, something
like 37-0. In '62, lost at Yankee Stadium to the Pack 16-7.
I would have to say the '62 team, just not quite good enough
to beat the Pack. The '85 team was good, but no contest
for the 'Da Bears, that Chicago team was special that
ONE season, didn't maintain it though. They became 'FatCats'
if you ask me. Everybody had restaurants it seemed like.
They enjoyed their celebrity far too much!
RE: The 2008 Team.  
BlueHurricane : 10/28/2021 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15429419 FStubbs said:
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That team was destroying teams by the week, to the point you KNEW the Giants would win. Period.

They ran over Ray Lewis. They made Pittsburgh quit.

And then Plax shot himself. And then the d***ed Eagles. Twice.


This. And I saw every second of the Flipper Anderson team. 2008 was a juggernaut.
RE: RE: The 2008 Team.  
Carson53 : 10/28/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15432788 BlueHurricane said:
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That team was destroying teams by the week, to the point you KNEW the Giants would win. Period.

They ran over Ray Lewis. They made Pittsburgh quit.

And then Plax shot himself. And then the d***ed Eagles. Twice.



This. And I saw every second of the Flipper Anderson team. 2008 was a juggernaut.
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The 2008 team was a juggernaut for 12 weeks, then it went poof!
They lost two games to Dallas and Philly, before the
playoffs, and then stunk up the joint against Philly again.
That's why they are NOT on my list!
RE: RE: RE: The 2008 Team.  
FStubbs : 10/28/2021 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15432797 Carson53 said:
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In comment 15429419 FStubbs said:


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That team was destroying teams by the week, to the point you KNEW the Giants would win. Period.

They ran over Ray Lewis. They made Pittsburgh quit.

And then Plax shot himself. And then the d***ed Eagles. Twice.



This. And I saw every second of the Flipper Anderson team. 2008 was a juggernaut.

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The 2008 team was a juggernaut for 12 weeks, then it went poof!
They lost two games to Dallas and Philly, before the
playoffs, and then stunk up the joint against Philly again.
That's why they are NOT on my list!


Plax shooting himself took all the steam out of that team. If that hadn't happened, they would've secured home field advantage (which they did anyway), and with a much better mindset, tore through the playoffs.

Pittsburgh won the Superbowl that year. The Giants made them quit.
2008 team was unreal.  
jpkmets : 10/28/2021 5:59 pm : link
Plax’s self-shot destroyed it, alas.
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