with the Giants but the kid has heart and the will to do whatever it takes to win. That’s the example we need from our leader. The way he plays should transcends to the rest of the team. I remember Simms going face to face with Ronnie Lott, Eli finally clapping back at Tiki’s comments. I think that one hand catch and then absorbing the hit could be a point in time where we look back and say DJ became one of the undisputed leaders on this team. He’s a play maker! Not sure it all turns out but this kids leaves it all out on the field! I’m def a Daniel Jones guy at this point!
I'm now looking forward to the rest of team catching up to him.
Same feeling with Jones.
from a traits stand point are there any boxes he doesn't check? I'm not positive but now lacking the crutch argument of turnovers, I'd guess the jones haters would say he lacks something intangible ("it") because there's nothing tangible he lacks. He's highly athletic, he can make all the throws, and he's shown his toughness this year multiple times. He's shown that he can make improvements in reading defenses and manipulating coverage while reducing bad plays.
so what is "it" that he lacks and is it possible that it he could still get there?
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
And your friend responds by saying something like, “She’s a very nice person, good sense of humor, has a great job…” and he doesn’t mention her physical appearance, it’s usually because her physical appearance is not that good.
So if the best you can say about Jones is…
- kid has heart
- will to do whatever it takes to win
- the impact of his one handed catch…
That’s not exactly “selling him” as a franchise QB.
I mean if you were talking about a REAL franchise QB you’d probably say things like, he has a great arm, is an accurate passer, good decision maker, very productive, moves well in the pocket to avoid the rush, etc.
You wouldn’t lead with “kid has heart” and “will do whatever it takes to win”.
And calling Jones a "playmaker" when he's managed just 40 TD passes in 34 games (5 in 7 games this year) and has not been very good in the red zone... is being VERY generous.
We need a QB who can consistently make plays. DJ has flashed at times, but hasn't done it nearly often enough. All the heart in the world isn't going to change that. He needs to play at a high level, which he has shown at times, more consistently.
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
Usually first week of May entering year 4 it needs to be picked up. So this spring.
I like is throwing motion
I like his speed
I like his ability to move out of the pocket
I want to see
More accuracy
More consistent decision making
DJ needs better Oline play and his playmaker to stay healthy
Is he a franchise QB? Unknown for me at this point
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
The 5th year option is the average of top 10 at that position. The 5th year for a guy like Josh Allen (who was drafted the year before Jones) is 23 mil. So Jones 5th year will probably be around 25 mil.
The option has to be accepted this offseason, and it is fully guaranteed at some point the next offseason. So theoretically, we could pick up the option this offseason, and if he sucks next season, cut him with no cap ramifications.
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DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
The 5th year option is the average of top 10 at that position. The 5th year for a guy like Josh Allen (who was drafted the year before Jones) is 23 mil. So Jones 5th year will probably be around 25 mil.
The option has to be accepted this offseason, and it is fully guaranteed at some point the next offseason. So theoretically, we could pick up the option this offseason, and if he sucks next season, cut him with no cap ramifications.
The option is fully guaranteed when exercised.
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....how does the 5th year option work?
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
The 5th year option is the average of top 10 at that position. The 5th year for a guy like Josh Allen (who was drafted the year before Jones) is 23 mil. So Jones 5th year will probably be around 25 mil.
The option has to be accepted this offseason, and it is fully guaranteed at some point the next offseason. So theoretically, we could pick up the option this offseason, and if he sucks next season, cut him with no cap ramifications.
That's no longer true. Beginning with 2018 draftees, the 5th year option is fully guaranteed the moment it is exercised.
I will say, he’s having a better season. But the problem even here is that the biggest this season was the Cowboys and he wasn’t able to finish that game. There’s also the matter of the TDs, or lack thereof.
Anyway, Jones, total opposite. No matter what happens with Jones I will like him a lot as a player and a person. I agree, he's "my guy" no matter what.
Hopefully he puts together a good season and removes all doubt because he's an easy guy to like and ultimately it's what would be best for the franchise. Whoever is tapped to clean up Gettlemans mess has their work cut out for them, having the QB in place would obviously put them a solid year or two ahead of schedule.
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....how does the 5th year option work?
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
The 5th year option is the average of top 10 at that position. The 5th year for a guy like Josh Allen (who was drafted the year before Jones) is 23 mil. So Jones 5th year will probably be around 25 mil.
The option has to be accepted this offseason, and it is fully guaranteed at some point the next offseason. So theoretically, we could pick up the option this offseason, and if he sucks next season, cut him with no cap ramifications.
That's no longer true. Beginning with 2018 draftees, the 5th year option is fully guaranteed the moment it is exercised.
And if we decide to not exercise it?
Jones plays QB in 2022 and then would become a FA in the 2023 FA period?
And we'd be able to extend him to a more friendly deal, at anytime before then?
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In comment 15429909 BillKo said:
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....how does the 5th year option work?
DJ will go into his 4th year next year.
When does the option need to be picked up? I do believe that the option dollar number is predetermined by his draft position (which I think was probably a reach for what he's delivered so far). So that dollar number is an issue considering salary cap.
Can the Giants simply allow him to play out his 4th year on a make good contract year and then negotiate with him after the 2022 season before the FA period?
I also assume they could sign him during the season mid year in 2022 if things are going well.
The 5th year option is the average of top 10 at that position. The 5th year for a guy like Josh Allen (who was drafted the year before Jones) is 23 mil. So Jones 5th year will probably be around 25 mil.
The option has to be accepted this offseason, and it is fully guaranteed at some point the next offseason. So theoretically, we could pick up the option this offseason, and if he sucks next season, cut him with no cap ramifications.
That's no longer true. Beginning with 2018 draftees, the 5th year option is fully guaranteed the moment it is exercised.
And if we decide to not exercise it?
Jones plays QB in 2022 and then would become a FA in the 2023 FA period?
And we'd be able to extend him to a more friendly deal, at anytime before then?
Correct, or tag him
Daniel Jones: 23/33 – 203 yards / 1 TD / 0 INT / 95.9 RAT
Jones also added 28 yards on 8 carries and caught a pass for 16 yards. So, 247 total yards with a score. Jones responded very well coming off last week’s debacle against the Rams. This is now the 5th game out of 7 (including vs DAL where he only played a half) where Jones finished with a QB rating over 90. He protected the ball, went through his reads well, and made some tough plays with his legs. Jones was without 3 of his top 4 receivers, his top running back, and multiple starting offensive linemen. Only Dante Pettis was getting plus-separation all afternoon, yet he still completed nearly 70% of his passes. Really solid effort full of good decisions in a tough situation.