Yesterday, during numerous discussions it was said the "question was settled" and Jones is the answer, and Daniel Jones is "near elite".
For everybody's reference here are Daniel Jones pass rankings after 7 Weeks:
Y/A: 21st (last week: 18)
QBR: 22nd (lw: 22)
QB Rating 26th (lw: 26)
TD% 32nd (lw: 32)
sack% 16th (lw: 13)
Red Zone Passing
Cmp% Inside 20: 34% worst among starting QBs (lw: 27%)
Cmp% Inside 10: 30% 29th among starting QBs (lw: 14%)
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Objective evidence.
In 2019 he threw for 24 TDs 12 Ints 19 fumbles
In 2020 he threw for 11 TDs 10 Ints 10 fumbles
In 2021 he threw for 5 Tds 4 Ints 5 fumbles
It isn't good enough. It is 2021 not 1984. I cannot believe how upset some of you are because people will not call Jones a franchise QB. I can't even. Can we at least get TDs to equal fumbles + Ints before we extend him?
Holy shit.
It reminds people what Jones did as a rookie in a passing friendly offense
Jones is throwing TD passes from all over the field
But what is most apparent is his redzone success
It is the play calling, the Giants used a spread offense and threw the ball in the redzone
They threw the ball into the endzone, they threw fades, corners, posts, outs, screens, etc.
Jones has thrown the ball in the Redzone (20 yards and in) only 22 times almost all outside the endzone
You cannot throw TDs without opportunity
Garrett is the reason that Jones does not throw TD passes
You're talking as if 2019 is a good barometer to demonstrate that the offense was any good. Sure, they were more successful than 2020 but that doesn't prove much.
Jones had very good games against the Redskins, Jets and Lions. Cool. All bottom teams of the league in 2019.
Other than that, he looked flat.
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Objective evidence.
In 2019 he threw for 24 TDs 12 Ints 19 fumbles
In 2020 he threw for 11 TDs 10 Ints 10 fumbles
In 2021 he threw for 5 Tds 4 Ints 5 fumbles
It isn't good enough. It is 2021 not 1984. I cannot believe how upset some of you are because people will not call Jones a franchise QB. I can't even. Can we at least get TDs to equal fumbles + Ints before we extend him?
Holy shit.
Omit the "I can't even" and I agree with you. 100%.
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IDGAF What if so and was on such team? That is an argument?
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Objective evidence.
In 2019 he threw for 24 TDs 12 Ints 19 fumbles
In 2020 he threw for 11 TDs 10 Ints 10 fumbles
In 2021 he threw for 5 Tds 4 Ints 5 fumbles
It isn't good enough. It is 2021 not 1984. I cannot believe how upset some of you are because people will not call Jones a franchise QB. I can't even. Can we at least get TDs to equal fumbles + Ints before we extend him?
Holy shit.
Omit the "I can't even" and I agree with you. 100%.
It reminds people what Jones did as a rookie in a passing friendly offense
Jones is throwing TD passes from all over the field
But what is most apparent is his redzone success
It is the play calling, the Giants used a spread offense and threw the ball in the redzone
They threw the ball into the endzone, they threw fades, corners, posts, outs, screens, etc.
Jones has thrown the ball in the Redzone (20 yards and in) only 22 times almost all outside the endzone
You cannot throw TDs without opportunity
Garrett is the reason that Jones does not throw TD passes
But in 2019 he made mistakes and turnovers at an unsustainable rate. Then they put the training wheels on, in year two, so now we have a QB who doesn't turn the ball over but he can't score points. Remember we had five points at the end of the third Q on Sunday. That's pathetic. He has 5 TDs all season. It's abysmal. Jones has yet to show that he can function in a normal offense without making killer mistakes. period and end of story. Until he does it, you shouldn't assume it, because that's a very hard thing to do and he is in year 3 and still hasn't done it.
It's like saying a good physicist should be Einstein, he has all the tools. Yea, but until he does something brilliant, he's not Einstein.
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Has become laughable.
You base your whole argument on stats and then when Amtoft uses stats in his counterargument they all of sudden aren't legit.
Here are some stats for you:
Eight(8) out of your fifteen(15) most recent threads on your profile deal with you running around trying to slam Jones. Out of the remaining seven(7) threads, two(2) are game threads where we know you slammed him also, three(3) are NFTs, and one(1) is regarding Survivor Pools.
DO you not realize how obsessive that is?
Try to stick to the topic. I started exactly three threads about Jones since the start of the season.
LOL...Well, that's an example of a cherry-picked stat. The mere fact you even know how many "you started" while completely ignoring the fact that the only football topics you post on are about Jones is pretty telling in its ownself
Is there anyone else that has started 3 separate Daniel Jones threads since the season started? I mean Producer has to be among the league leaders.
I doubt it, but all he ever comes here and posts about is Jones when it's a NY Giants football thread. The better the game Jones has the more he flails about attacking him
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In comment 15430269 Producer said:
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In comment 15430258 montanagiant said:
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Has become laughable.
You base your whole argument on stats and then when Amtoft uses stats in his counterargument they all of sudden aren't legit.
Here are some stats for you:
Eight(8) out of your fifteen(15) most recent threads on your profile deal with you running around trying to slam Jones. Out of the remaining seven(7) threads, two(2) are game threads where we know you slammed him also, three(3) are NFTs, and one(1) is regarding Survivor Pools.
DO you not realize how obsessive that is?
Try to stick to the topic. I started exactly three threads about Jones since the start of the season.
LOL...Well, that's an example of a cherry-picked stat. The mere fact you even know how many "you started" while completely ignoring the fact that the only football topics you post on are about Jones is pretty telling in its ownself
Is there anyone else that has started 3 separate Daniel Jones threads since the season started? I mean Producer has to be among the league leaders.
I doubt it, but all he ever comes here and posts about is Jones when it's a NY Giants football thread. The better the game Jones has the more he flails about attacking him
This isn't true montana. I have always been civil to you and I'd appreciate the same treatment. This wasn't some great game by Jones. it was an adequate effort. We had 5 points with a minute to go in the 3rd Q. My point is we should expect more. As a Giants fan I would think you would want more out of this team. Why do you care if Jones is the QB if the team is hot garbage. Would you take a new QB if it meant we could build a sustained winner?
The number of times I comment on Jones is totally immaterial to the points I am making. try and keep to the issues rather than ad hominem nonsense.
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Thanks, MOOPS..
other beneficiaries of the player of the week award include Mariota, Trubisky, Brisset, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor, etc, you get the picture.
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Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Thanks, MOOPS..
other beneficiaries of the player of the week award include Mariota, Trubisky, Brisset, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor, etc, you get the picture.
In 2021? I think not. Just the ones I mentioned.
Please don't expand the parameters to suit your narrative.
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Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Thanks, MOOPS..
other beneficiaries of the player of the week award include Mariota, Trubisky, Brisset, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor, etc, you get the picture.
In 2021? I think not. Just the ones I mentioned.
Please don't expand the parameters to suit your narrative.
And please don't arbitrarily narrow the data to try to make your point. It is instructive to note that winning a POTW award is an unremarkable achievement in the career of an NFL QB, and even QBs who we would all agree are terrible and abject failures win them. That is a fair interpretation of the POTW data. Your arbitrary limitation to the winners of this season is meaningless noise. If you are going to come at me with a debate topic you'll have to do better than this weak shit.
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In comment 15430733 Producer said:
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In comment 15430730 MOOPS said:
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Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Thanks, MOOPS..
other beneficiaries of the player of the week award include Mariota, Trubisky, Brisset, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor, etc, you get the picture.
In 2021? I think not. Just the ones I mentioned.
Please don't expand the parameters to suit your narrative.
And please don't arbitrarily narrow the data to try to make your point. It is instructive to note that winning a POTW award is an unremarkable achievement in the career of an NFL QB, and even QBs who we would all agree are terrible and abject failures win them. That is a fair interpretation of the POTW data. Your arbitrary limitation to the winners of this season is meaningless noise. If you are going to come at me with a debate topic you'll have to do better than this weak shit.
I presented the data as 2021. Black and white. You can go back and read and verify that if you like. It's not arbitrary.
You want to call it meaningless, feel free if it makes you feel better. I'm preety sure your ego's taken a beating today
But it's far from 'weak shit' in a 'what have you done for me lately' world.
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In comment 15430733 Producer said:
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In comment 15430730 MOOPS said:
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Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Patrick Mahomes
Tom Brady
Matthew Stafford
Kyler Murray
Lamar Jackson
Dak Prescott
and lookie here, DANIEL JONES.
Hey Producer, old Danny Boy's up there with all your favorites.
Or maybe it's the rest of them trying to keep up with the Joneses.
Thanks, MOOPS..
other beneficiaries of the player of the week award include Mariota, Trubisky, Brisset, Osweiler, Tyrod Taylor, etc, you get the picture.
In 2021? I think not. Just the ones I mentioned.
Please don't expand the parameters to suit your narrative.
And please don't arbitrarily narrow the data to try to make your point. It is instructive to note that winning a POTW award is an unremarkable achievement in the career of an NFL QB, and even QBs who we would all agree are terrible and abject failures win them. That is a fair interpretation of the POTW data. Your arbitrary limitation to the winners of this season is meaningless noise. If you are going to come at me with a debate topic you'll have to do better than this weak shit.
I presented the data as 2021. Black and white. You can go back and read and verify that if you like. It's not arbitrary.
You want to call it meaningless, feel free if it makes you feel better. I'm preety sure your ego's taken a beating today
But it's far from 'weak shit' in a 'what have you done for me lately' world.
Umm my ego is quite intact. The presumption you are making is POTW award is meaningful, placing the winners in a unique set of talents, but with more data we see that it is not just great talents that win it, but also banal talents. You haven't even presented an argument. Just an incomplete data set, and an ad hominem attack. Quit while you have a semblance of dignity.
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Go look at Brady's stats in 2019 with little skill position talent and an average OL vs 2020 and 2021 with top skill position guys and OL and tell me it doesn't matter...
You're not helping yourself by bringing up Brady in a Daniel Jones discussion. I already made an apt comparison, or are you going to argue that the 1-15 Jaguars had a better supporting cast?
Straw man.
Minshew's stats are heavily influenced by garbage time when they were getting blown out. Hell, their average point differential was -11.6. In fact his completion percentage in the red zone was 40%. The team won 1 game after all so this isn't rocket science and yet their backs averaged a full ypa more than the giants backs have but hey... never let the facts get in the way of a good narrative.
This is where things get tricky - you're discounting Minshew's stats because of garbage time stat-padding, but the Giants face a significant amount of garbage time themselves. Some of that is baked into DJ's stats as well. Which is to say that if you are going to toss a Minshew comparison out because of garbage time stats, you are also suggesting that DJ's own stats are somewhat inflated, right?