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NFT: 10/26 - Sixers @ Knicks

Heisenberg : 10/26/2021 11:58 am
Embiid and Drummond are Questionable. I'm guessing they play.

Nerlens is Out

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Immanuel Quickley stared at the court. In front of him stood his new teammates, his new coaches. Excitement welled up inside him. It was his first practice as an NBA player—as a New York Knick.

Quickley had dreamed of being here ever since he was a fifth-grader playing rec ball, back when his mother and coach, Nitrease, told him to take it easy on the other kids. “I’m going to need you to not take the ball from them,” she told him one game during a timeout. Quickley returned to the court and snatched the ball from the player he was guarding.

He was just as persistent that fall afternoon in 2020, as his first Knicks practice began. The coaches quickly divided up players for teams. But when they got to Quickley, they handed him a green-colored jersey, which signified that he would be relegated to the third—and potentially even fourth—practice squad. Green? Really?

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I have a feeling that the Knicks are really gonna hammer the Bulls  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2021 10:09 am : link
And it will take plastic surgery to remove the smile from my face if that happens
Lavine has torn ligaments in non shooting hand  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 10:32 am : link
Thumb, but intends to play through it and just has to manage the pain
From Twitter  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 11:47 am : link
per @cleantheglass (which filters out garbage time) the 3-1 Knicks are:

5th in Net Rating (+10.9)
2nd in Offense (116.3)
11th in Defense (105.4)

So, a very good morning to you, fan of a good-to-very-good basketball team.
RE: This is going to be such a fun season  
TyreeHelmet : 10/27/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15431107 Mike in NJ said:
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This team is very fun to watch. The thing that is most refreshing is that everyone that plays is actually good at basketball, and we aren't trotting out bums like Elfrid Payton any more.

After 4 games, a few things that have stood out to me:

- Mitch Robinson is significantly improved. He is a real presence out there defensively, and has rebounded the ball much better than in the past. I don't even think he is in shape condition wise yet, so we may even see more from him as the year goes on. Yeah he is still limited offensively, but as long as he can stay healthy I think extending him is a no brainer.

- Besides Mitch, I think Obi Toppin is clearly the most improved player on the team. The knock on him out of Dayton was that he was a total zero on defense, but he has actually been respectable on that end of the court. He also bring awesome energy to the second unit, and is almost unstoppable on the break.

- It really feels like Kemba and RJ are still trying to figure out their roles within the first unit. Randle obviously is going to get his, Fournier seems to have already found where to fit in, but Walker and Barrett have been pretty hesitant. It was great to see Walker take over for a bit last night, but in general I have been a little surprised at how passively he has played. As for Barrett, he just seems timid out there, like he is playing to avoid mistakes but then is making them because he is thinking and not reacting. It will be interesting to watch to see how these two settle in over the next few weeks.

- Also, Julius Randle is a beast. Legit star player that will be in the conversation for All-NBA again.


Really good post and agree with everything. I was hard on Toppin this year but its been great to see him so improved. Hopefully he keeps improving.

Mitch has been outstanding. His added weight has definitely helped and he hasn't lost his bounce. He has been tremendous as a rim protector and rebounder. Next step is showing a little offense but he's been great.

Derrick Rose has been really great for the Knicks. What a trade last year for him and cool to see him revive his career here. He is an elite backup point guard and will definitely be in contention for 6th man of the year.

Love having Thibs here- just a great head coach and puts his team in position to win every night.
Mitch  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 11:52 am : link
is a true difference maker, please stay healthy!
RJ to the bench? No.  
manh george : 10/27/2021 12:03 pm : link
At 21, he is going to have his streaks. Nevertheless, he is the team's future at the three, and Thibs is going to give him every possible chance to get his game straightened out and play the hoped-for role as the defender against opponents' best wing. Who else is there at the three, Burks? Well, Burks hasn't gotten his stroke down yet this year, and he's just an adequate defender.

Thibs will scream at him for stupid plays, but RJ is resilient. I do wonder, though, whether we might see a little of Fornier at the 3, with Quickley coming in at the 2. Later on, we may see some of Grimes at the backup 2, with Fornier playing a little 3 alongside him. That way, we would still have a strong wing defender in Grimes, and he can clearly shoot as well, and even rebound a little. And, Fornier is a really strong offensive player.

Btw, what Thibs is giving Toppin is "tough love." I doubt that he would yell at him so much if he didn't see a real player in there. Toppin hasn't gotten his 3 stroke back yet, but I think that it is likely that he does. He keeps shooting 3's that are just barely off.
favorite part of this game  
djm : 10/27/2021 12:06 pm : link
was watching our center match up with the best center in the NBA. I don't care how hurt Embid might be. Mitch more than held his own. And Mitch isn't even 100% right yet, not by any means.

This team is good. I have a theory or take that the starting rotation is better suited for playoff success than last year's team, but the bench will get us a higher seed to get there. This bench is so built for the regular season, in a good way. Bad teams or thin benches will really struggle. Tired teams are doomed.
Obi  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 12:09 pm : link
still has his warts but the Garden absolutely loves him
RE: favorite part of this game  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15431395 djm said:
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I have a theory or take that the starting rotation is better suited for playoff success than last year's team


Don’t think this is even close either. This years lineup with Kemba, Fournier and healthy Mitch has a chance of beating the Hawks last years
RE: favorite part of this game  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 12:13 pm : link
In comment 15431395 djm said:
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was watching our center match up with the best center in the NBA. I don't care how hurt Embid might be. Mitch more than held his own. And Mitch isn't even 100% right yet, not by any means.

This team is good. I have a theory or take that the starting rotation is better suited for playoff success than last year's team, but the bench will get us a higher seed to get there. This bench is so built for the regular season, in a good way. Bad teams or thin benches will really struggle. Tired teams are doomed.


There was a play early Embiid tried to body Mitch and Mitch said nope and held his ground, it set the tone for the entire night..

I only remember a couple of times Embiid got all the way to the rim..
RE: Obi  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15431397 DanMetroMan said:
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still has his warts but the Garden absolutely loves him


He is an energizer, the second he comes in with Rose the speed picks up, he gets the team easy baskets..

The Sixers were gassed after having to deal eith the Knicks bench
if Mitch could develop a little offense  
Dr. D : 10/27/2021 12:18 pm : link
down low, that would be tremendous. But I don't know if that will happen.

Speaking of working on inside game, funny thing my son and I watched when we arrived early at the Amway center for the game last Fri. We were on the side where the Magic warmed up and we watched some individual shooting.

Robin Lopez was taking little hook shots from about 3 ft from the hoop. Someone was feeding him and he missed shot after shot after shot; from 3 ft! At one point I said to my son, is he trying to miss? I mean, is that a thing, these days?

When he finally made one, he shook his head and had a look of relief. We were like, WTH? I guess being 7' will keep you in the league a while.
Love the starting lineup.  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 12:18 pm : link
Love the bench. Love that Thibs is mixing and matching those two units a bit more now - Burks played with the starters in the second half in place of RJ, who was struggling, for example. No dead weight.
Can't bellieve Burks  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 12:19 pm : link
didn't give Obi that alley-oop off the backboard on that one breakaway - the Garden would've exploded.
Burks  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 12:21 pm : link
has been one of the few low points. I'm sure he'll be fine but 38% from the field, 7 assists game 1 vs. the magic... 3 total assists in his 3 other games.
I don't recall the Knicks ever having this kind of bench  
Dr. D : 10/27/2021 12:24 pm : link
probably a couple of the guys could've started on some pretty good teams in the past.

The bench is going to be the difference in some games this year.
Obi's probably  
Enzo : 10/27/2021 12:25 pm : link
the best in-game dunker we've had since Amare. He's got some holes in his offensive game (which is sorta the opposite on what the scouting reports said about him coming out of college) but the physical gifts are obvious.
We need to start the campaign  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 12:26 pm : link
for Rose as Sixth Man of the Year.
Rj i thibk just needs to take what is given  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 12:30 pm : link
stop trying to dribble into 3 guys, if you are open shoot it, but if not move it, he is forcing right now..

Randle has to take some of the open shots he is getting, he is passing up wide open looks then dribbles and takes a tougher shot..He is still adjusting to playing with guys getting him wide upen looks
29-11  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 12:32 pm : link
over 40 games in which Derrick Rose has played since the trade (regular season only).
RE: I don't recall the Knicks ever having this kind of bench  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 12:38 pm : link
In comment 15431426 Dr. D said:
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probably a couple of the guys could've started on some pretty good teams in the past.

The bench is going to be the difference in some games this year.


The 2 seed team a few years ago was probably their last good bench and is probably not even close to this one.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 12:56 pm : link
Daniel Wexler
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Sandy came back, Omar came back… only one answer here @Jim_Duquette
part deux #Mets


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Lol
RE: lol  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15431474 DanMetroMan said:
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Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
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1h
Sandy came back, Omar came back… only one answer here @Jim_Duquette
part deux #Mets


Jim Duquette
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Lol


Wrong thread sorry guys!
I remember as a kid  
Dr. D : 10/27/2021 1:03 pm : link
having guys like Dean Meminger and Phil Jackson play important roles off the bench.

And I remember later thinking it would be nice if guys like John Starks (would've been a nice 6th man) and Charlie Ward (as just a couple examples) were coming off the bench instead of being depended on so heavily as starters.

Ewing would've won a title if he had this supporting cast.
RE: Obi's probably  
TyreeHelmet : 10/27/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15431427 Enzo said:
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the best in-game dunker we've had since Amare. He's got some holes in his offensive game (which is sorta the opposite on what the scouting reports said about him coming out of college) but the physical gifts are obvious.


Maybe its just me but Obi looks taller, stronger and just more fit this year.

I'm not advocating for this by any means because this team has been really enjoyable to watch, but this team is in a great spot to trade for star for many reasons. Multiple good players on rookie deals, multiple affordable good contracts, extra 1st round picks, and a destination city with a good playoff team.

Just an incredible turnaround in 2 seasons. What was the Vegas over/ under last season for the Knicks? I am already kicking myself for not taking the over this year at 41...
Great  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 2:25 pm : link
piece on IQ
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Big Knicks win yesterday, big Knicks game tomorrow....  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 4:25 pm : link
and The Michael Kay Show spends an hour discussing the attendance being slightly down at MSG this year.
RE: Big Knicks win yesterday, big Knicks game tomorrow....  
DanMetroMan : 10/27/2021 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15431801 bceagle05 said:
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and The Michael Kay Show spends an hour discussing the attendance being slightly down at MSG this year.


Evan Roberts too
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RE: Big Knicks win yesterday, big Knicks game tomorrow....  
BigBlueShock : 10/27/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15431801 bceagle05 said:
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and The Michael Kay Show spends an hour discussing the attendance being slightly down at MSG this year.

I was thinking the same damn thing.
RE: RE: Big Knicks win yesterday, big Knicks game tomorrow....  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15431805 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15431801 bceagle05 said:


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and The Michael Kay Show spends an hour discussing the attendance being slightly down at MSG this year.



Evan Roberts too Link - ( New Window )


Evan Roberts is also a little bit of a douche when it is not his team
It is pretty simple with attendance  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 4:38 pm : link
You have to be vaccinated, people are still afraid to go places, and it is still early in the season in the middle of the week..

I mean is it really that big of a story?
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 4:41 pm : link
In fairness to Kay, he knows nothing about basketball so he gravitates towards a stupid & nontrivial matter like attendance during a fucking pandemic.
RE: RE: Big Knicks win yesterday, big Knicks game tomorrow....  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15431805 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15431801 bceagle05 said:


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and The Michael Kay Show spends an hour discussing the attendance being slightly down at MSG this year.



Evan Roberts too Link - ( New Window )


I mean the Knicks are filling at 86% with a Sunday night game and a game in a rain storm. The get in price is also double the nets.
RE: It is pretty simple with attendance  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15431824 nygiants16 said:
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You have to be vaccinated, people are still afraid to go places, and it is still early in the season in the middle of the week..

I mean is it really that big of a story?


Also offices aren’t fully back and the Knicks rely a lot on the corporate group for attendance.
RE: RE: It is pretty simple with attendance  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15431836 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15431824 nygiants16 said:


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You have to be vaccinated, people are still afraid to go places, and it is still early in the season in the middle of the week..

I mean is it really that big of a story?



Also offices aren’t fully back and the Knicks rely a lot on the corporate group for attendance.


yup very good point
All I have to say is that they are fun to watch  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/27/2021 4:56 pm : link
Really enjoy watching the depth of talent. Just come at you in waves. I think I really love when Rose comes in. Its like holy shit Derrick Rose just came in? But he doesn't start?
RE: All I have to say is that they are fun to watch  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15431856 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Its like holy shit Derrick Rose just came in? But he doesn't start?

Yeah it's wild. He's a bench player only because of injury history/minutes restrictions - he's still an All-Star caliber player otherwise. This is the role Melo should've embraced sooner - lighting up second units for 25 minutes per night.
Rose is probably my favorite Knick  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 5:56 pm : link
Considering his injury history & everything he had been dealt. He also is one bad MFer.
It is amazing  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 6:01 pm : link
how much rose changes a game and he plays 20 to 25 minutes a night..

Also is there anything more dumb than Evan Roberts calling the barclays "the clays"
RE: Rose is probably my favorite Knick  
Enzo : 10/27/2021 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15431924 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Considering his injury history & everything he had been dealt. He also is one bad MFer.

I couldn't stand him as a player (or a person) his first time around in NY. But now I've done a complete 180 on him. I can't think of another player like that for any of the teams I root for.
Nets are the softest team in the NBA  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 8:00 pm : link
Harden still hasnt figured out how to play without drawing cheap ticky tack fouls
RE: Nets are the softest team in the NBA  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/27/2021 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15432022 nygiants16 said:
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Harden still hasnt figured out how to play without drawing cheap ticky tack fouls


Pleasantly surprised to see them enforcing this. Next step is to enforce it in the playoffs too.
The team is pretty likable as a whole this year  
Giants73 : 10/27/2021 8:43 pm : link
Knox isn’t good but isn’t unlikable. Probably only player I dislike on the team is IQ. Doesn’t understand team concept, when he passes it is usually when the teammate is in a spot where all he can do is pass it back. Rose is a completely different player this time around plays hard and does not like to lose. Taj very similar. Always wanted Kemba on team since the Big east tourney but I think RJ is my favorite, can see him getting better and better
Cs man  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 8:53 pm : link
...

They aren't good.
Harden not getting his lame foul calls  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 9:38 pm : link
is basketball porn. Thank God the NBA addressed this.
Harden was never in the best shape  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 9:48 pm : link
but he just doesn’t look good to me - a little overweight and a half a step slow.
RE: Harden not getting his lame foul calls  
nygiants16 : 10/27/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15432103 bceagle05 said:
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is basketball porn. Thank God the NBA addressed this.


it makes him an average basketball player, he is barely going to the rim at this point
OKC up three on the Lakers  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 10:25 pm : link
with 30 seconds left.
Didn’t realize Lebron was out with an ankle injury  
bceagle05 : 10/27/2021 10:33 pm : link
but an upset nonetheless.
RE: Didn’t realize Lebron was out with an ankle injury  
nygiants16 : 10/28/2021 12:22 am : link
In comment 15432129 bceagle05 said:
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but an upset nonetheless.


Lakers were up 26
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