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Should you be concern for Daniel Jones…

TrustTheProcess : 10/26/2021 7:32 pm
For the way the coaches are using him?

Btw, I’m extremely concern with how the Giants coaches are handling Jones here.

When I saw that catch, all I saw was the hit he took, not the catch. Do we really want to keep coming up with these gadget plays that keeps getting him lay the fuck out?

Now I get it, we don’t have ANY of our playmakers so they kinda have to do it. I mean they have guys playing that we’re on the practice squad 5 mins ago… so I sort of get but I don’t. This is a 1-5 team going into last week, and if you serious about him being “the guy”, what are we doing here?

At this point, we have to believe we are keeping him for years 4 AND 5. I think it’s safe to say that now. Next year draft, is not really anything special in terms of QBs. There’s just not a whole lot there but even if there was, the Giants are committed to DJ at this point. Mike Tannenebaum said on many occasions there’s not really any good QBs next year so, this is makes it even more imperative to want to take care of DJ even more.

I think giants fans and teammates love this guy. He’s as tough as it gets, puts it on the line every play, take accountability… he made that catch, takes a hit, and hands the ball back to the ref and gets ready for the next play. But the Giants and this coaching staff are not treating him like he’s the “next guy”, even though they believe he is. If your QB goes down, that it. You’re done. Not winning much. At some point, they have to get away from this.

I think DJ is a special kind of talent. He’s like a mix of everything. He’s not elite, but he’s pretty damn good at just about everything you can ask for in a QB. He’s not as accurate as Rodgers or mahommes, he’s not as elusive as Jackson or Murray… but he’s sort of his own self lol. It’s hard to really compare him to anyone. Is he better then Eli? Now don’t get me wrong, I fucking love Eli. Easy E baby! Guy had a deep ball, tough as nails, and was clutch when you needed him to be. Said all the right things. But so far, DJ has really shown a lot more then Eli has ever done at this point in time for both of their careers. He really has.

I do like the run plays some times. I do like that he can make these plays happen and he’s willing to take hits from them. I love it. But I think it’s insanely reckless to keep sending him out there like this. I want him to take care of himself better, but it’s HARD to do this when you ask him to go run a route and make a catch. Then he gets rocked. How can he defend himself from this? Then you’re asking him to run up the 2 hole and find a way around…. It’s just a disaster waiting to happen again, and this can’t go on anymore.

Like, Jackson and Murray has this elusiveness that can shake off defenders and make them miss. Jones doesn’t do that. You have to use his athleticism sparingly. They need act like he’s the next Giants QB.
Typo  
TrustTheProcess : 10/26/2021 7:33 pm : link
For “Btw”
RE: Typo  
santacruzom : 10/26/2021 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15430770 TrustTheProcess said:
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For “Btw”


The other typos and mistakes are feeling left out.
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EricJ : 10/26/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15430771 santacruzom said:
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For “Btw”



The other typos and mistakes are feeling left out.


...especially the one in the thread title
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/26/2021 7:41 pm : link
Credit to DJ for making that one handed catch, but my first thought was...'Are they trying to get him killed?'

He's a tough SOB & I admire that in him, but sometimes that needs to be reined in. That falls to the coaching staff.
The Giants finally get an athletic QB  
Gman11 : 10/26/2021 7:53 pm : link
and you want him to be put in bubble wrap.
That gadget play was a stupid call on Garrett's part.  
TLong : 10/26/2021 8:07 pm : link
It was used in midfield instead of when they were 4th anf goal.
RE: The Giants finally get an athletic QB  
EricJ : 10/26/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15430793 Gman11 said:
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and you want him to be put in bubble wrap.


yeah... and then some people will point to Lamarr Jackson with envy.
Yeah, but...  
section125 : 10/26/2021 8:30 pm : link
yeah, but...damned if they do and damned if they don't. No bubble wrap. Play him.
He should learn to slide more  
David B. : 10/26/2021 8:36 pm : link
And find someone to invest and manage his money.

He'll be fine.
It's football,  
darren in pdx : 10/26/2021 8:37 pm : link
players get injured. He can just as easily get injured by a free rusher getting a sack on him.

He has a plus ability running the football. That has to be used. You can win by making the defense guess and force them into making the wrong decisions. His ability to run does that to defenses and that split second of hesitation is the difference between a play being successful or not.

But it's also partly on him to take care of himself as well. I like that he's tough, but also has to learn not to try to force things like the play that got him the concussion.

Also, a ball floated in the air that long can get any player clobbered. It gets to him a little faster and maybe he gets some YAC.
For the record...  
DannyDimes : 10/26/2021 9:09 pm : link
The word is "concerned."
The run up the B gap  
Ike#88 : 10/26/2021 9:31 pm : link
late in the game was surprising. No way you can slide on that run. You are dialing up a hit on the QB. Jones of course did not shy away. Not very sharp with your starting QB.
Great point by the OP  
giantstock : 10/26/2021 10:36 pm : link
Greta point.

After I saw the play and even all the runs I thought especially on the pass that he could've been wiped out.

SO because he made the great catch and it was creative you'll hear things like "Garrett did his job by opening up the offense."

Yet if DJ gets hurt on a play like that the entire coaching staff would've gotten shit on.
I’d be more concerned  
mattnyg05 : 10/26/2021 10:58 pm : link
that someone from BBI is in a book depository (or grassy knoll) looking to take out DJ than for the way the coaches are using him. Although the QB sneaks a week after getting knocked out were a little much.
A bit but...  
D HOS : 10/26/2021 11:53 pm : link
No, not really. It's nice to have a QB that can do a lot of things and gets to do those things. How they are using their QB... it could be a lot worse.
On his concussion play  
Giant John : 10/27/2021 6:41 am : link
I felt he could have easily slid and avoided that hit. The pass catch no chance. Although I did wonder about the head hit to a defenseless player. Should that have been flagged. But come on DJ do yourself, your team and fans and slide when you can. Forget the Judge tough guy talk. It’s not his brain.
RE: On his concussion play  
KingBlue : 10/27/2021 7:29 am : link
In comment 15431067 Giant John said:
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I felt he could have easily slid and avoided that hit. The pass catch no chance. Although I did wonder about the head hit to a defenseless player. Should that have been flagged. But come on DJ do yourself, your team and fans and slide when you can. Forget the Judge tough guy talk. It’s not his brain.


What the hell are you talking about on the concussion play? Nobody slides at the one yard line trying to score.
about half of BBI  
cjac : 10/27/2021 7:37 am : link
is hoping for the type of injury that allows us to move on to the next QB of the future
RE: Great point by the OP  
section125 : 10/27/2021 7:58 am : link
In comment 15430994 giantstock said:
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Greta point.

After I saw the play and even all the runs I thought especially on the pass that he could've been wiped out.

SO because he made the great catch and it was creative you'll hear things like "Garrett did his job by opening up the offense."

Yet if DJ gets hurt on a play like that the entire coaching staff would've gotten shit on.


Well, if DJ had kept running the route, Pettis would have hit him in stride. Both Pettis and he commented afterward that DJ had slowed down that is why the ball seemed over thrown.
Certainly a concern  
Daniel in MI : 10/27/2021 8:45 am : link
but they don’t have much of a choice. He’s a playmaker for a team devoid of them now. Either you try to win - which we desperately need - or you hand off to Booker a bunch for no gain.

Remember that throw came after repeated red zone failure with Carolina still in the game, and our D hasn’t exactly earned undying trust.

So, as he ages and gets better as a pocket passer, if we ever improve the OL I’d expect him to run less and take fewer hits. Now, we gotta use whatever he’s got.
Jones  
GF1080 : 10/27/2021 8:51 am : link
They need to run him because it's part of his game but he needs to learn how to slide. He never slides and always goes head first. I understand sometimes he won't be able to but he's taking a lot of unnecessary hits.
Shows the rest of the team he will fight for it  
Giants73 : 10/27/2021 9:02 am : link
Player can get injured at any time, look at z Wilson’s injury he was in the pocket then slid out and got injured.Russ in the pocket hurt his finger. Burrow last year was in the pocket. Mahommes last week in the pocket. A taller guy like Jones, I see more risk in that pocket getting those legs blasted.
The athleticism and effort that Jones showed on that catch  
NYGgolfer : 10/27/2021 9:15 am : link
was unreal. Easily could be one of the top NFL plays of the season thus far. He is holding that Offense together by a string with his effort plays this season. Glad he was able to bounce back from tough Ram game.

Btw, hated the blow to the head he took on that catch when he was falling to ground. Seemed like a penalty but nothing called? Pettis actually gets rid of the ball fairly quickly if you review that play again. If he doesn't, Jones would have really gotten lit up from that back defender.

It's his game  
AnnapolisMike : 10/27/2021 9:19 am : link
Hopefully he learns to protect himself. The Giants will need to carry a capable backup QB for insurance
RE: RE: Great point by the OP  
giantstock : 10/27/2021 9:23 am : link
In comment 15431104 section125 said:
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In comment 15430994 giantstock said:


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Greta point.

After I saw the play and even all the runs I thought especially on the pass that he could've been wiped out.

SO because he made the great catch and it was creative you'll hear things like "Garrett did his job by opening up the offense."

Yet if DJ gets hurt on a play like that the entire coaching staff would've gotten shit on.



Well, if DJ had kept running the route, Pettis would have hit him in stride. Both Pettis and he commented afterward that DJ had slowed down that is why the ball seemed over thrown.


Whether he overthrew or underthrew - if he got hurt imo many would've shit on the coaches for calling the play.
RE: On his concussion play  
Gman11 : 10/27/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15431067 Giant John said:
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I felt he could have easily slid and avoided that hit.


It was fourth down. Sliding short of the end zone would have been a stupid play. They should have had a receiver in the area in case the defense wasn't fooled by the bootleg so that's on the play call unless Jones did that on his own.
RE: The athleticism and effort that Jones showed on that catch  
BlueVinnie : 10/27/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15431164 NYGgolfer said:
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was unreal. Easily could be one of the top NFL plays of the season thus far. He is holding that Offense together by a string with his effort plays this season.

Wow...just wow.
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