With nothing to back that there is any interest in any team trading for Engram. Just one DB citing another DB’s opinion. Then next year when Engram is gone, these same DBs will come back and bitch that the giants should have taking the offers that were there for Engram. Just a bunch of horsesh!t until they put legitimate offers in the article. This could be them asking a guy would you take engram for a lunchbox.
don't see the Giants trading Engram until after the Chiefs game at the earliest, and even then, I'd be surprised if they traded him for a fifth round pick. Engram is apparently liked a lot more by the FO than BBI. I would trade him but wouldn't be surprised if they resign him next year, which I'm sure will make everyone here extremely happy.
and the real game. The entire starting receiving corp injured and he still can't find his way to being value-added on the field. Just ridiculous.
If can do somewhat better than a 7th round pick with negotiations, then not trading him would be idiotic. Would actually like to get another player instead if that is an option from any of the interested teams. A young RB, LB or G/OC buried somewhere on a depth would be a nice get.
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Evan Engram was noticeably absent from Giants' stretch lines. With trade deadline looming next week, his status will be worth monitoring, and with plenty of speculation.
No official word yet as to why Engram is not out on the field.
Maybe I missed it but I dont think there has been a game where I thought EE won it for us but I can certainly see some games where he pretty much lost it for us. He's just not a good football player, talent is there it just doesnt happen on the field for some reason.
I hope we can get something for him, just tired of thinking he is going to have a good season to be disappointed. the Giants have never been able to get a receiving only TE to perform.
get some picks. I like him, but he is poison here.
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I am not sure they would get multiple picks, but I have been
saying for two years now, move on from Engram.
Now is the time, no reason to bring him back next year.
Maybe he figures it out some place else, don't hold your breath on that...
He had a nice block and caught some short passes with no turnovers. But anyone could still see he ran terrible routes(into defenders and out of bounds). Maybe some of this falls on coaching, but he just doesn't have football instincts on the field. A 4th would be fair value.
and has a marginal impact when on the field, often a negative. No idea why he wasn't traded years ago. The TE position has been declining since Boss hung em up, and when NYG finally spends a high pick on TE they get Evan Engram. I honestly preferred Larry Donnell.
He had a nice block and caught some short passes with no turnovers. But anyone could still see he ran terrible routes(into defenders and out of bounds). Maybe some of this falls on coaching, but he just doesn't have football instincts on the field. A 4th would be fair value.
A 4th would be great for the Giants, but not many teams are going to give that for a 1/2 season rental.
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Evan Engram was noticeably absent from Giants' stretch lines. With trade deadline looming next week, his status will be worth monitoring, and with plenty of speculation.
No official word yet as to why Engram is not out on the field.
Didn't Engram get dinged up a little in the Carolina game?
since it would be one less "lost FA" in the formula calculating our potential compensation. if trading him is for a pick equal to the projected compensation pick then it's best to keep him.
since it would be one less "lost FA" in the formula calculating our potential compensation. if trading him is for a pick equal to the projected compensation pick then it's best to keep him.
It also depends on who else is going, and what their compensatory value is. Peppers? Hernandez? There are a limited amount of picks you can get, even if you sign no FA's.
RE: trading him for less than his compensatory value is a mistake
since it would be one less "lost FA" in the formula calculating our potential compensation. if trading him is for a pick equal to the projected compensation pick then it's best to keep him.
at this point we are selling low. Honestly, he hasn't been the god awful turnover machine this year (i think he caused 1) and had a couple of nice grabs. The problem this year is he is doesn't seem to be making much of an impact. I don't think I care if we trade or him not. If it's a 3rd (which we aren't getting), I'd be happy, but meh to anything beyond that
I could live with a 5th round pick in the top half of the round. A trade to the Colts, Seahawks, 49ers or LV might work. I could see their seasons going south.
Don't want to give EE away for "a pretzel and a bag of popcorn", but he's just not working out here.
trade value is lessened by the fact that he's in the last year of his contract. So any team trading for him could potentially have him for less than a full season, especially since he would need time to develop chemistry with his new QB and learn their offensive system. I assume only a real playoff contender would therefore even consider trading for him, unless a team was at least reasonably sure they could resign him after this season.
the repeated mental errors, tipped passes, and fumbles are more frequent than his positive plays. He seems to lack a feel for the game, loses focus, and then he starts to press and the hands and the brain all start to lock up.
trade value is lessened by the fact that he's in the last year of his contract. So any team trading for him could potentially have him for less than a full season, especially since he would need time to develop chemistry with his new QB and learn their offensive system. I assume only a real playoff contender would therefore even consider trading for him, unless a team was at least reasonably sure they could resign him after this season.
Not necessarily. If team A trades a late pick for him, but EE signs with team B during FA period next year, team A could theoretically get a comp pick higher than the pick they traded.
His issues are almost always when he stops and turns around waiting for the ball. Yet out OC continues to use him in these 3 yard curl routes. He is at his best and hard to deal with when running across the field
this team still uses him as if he is an in-line TE - baffling
At this point since they are not going to resign him, trade him and move on.
Be interesting to see what a good OC can do with him. Reality is there are very few TE in this league who avg 4 receptions per game
It would also create roughly $3M in additional cap room to roll into next year.
I think a lot will depend on what happens Monday night. A win and the Giants are more likely to see themselves as still in play for a playoff spot and less likely to trade Engram or anyone. A loss and we could see them as active sellers in the trade market.
There's no F*ing way we should re-sign him.
Pack his bags...................
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Knox might be as good, probably better, than Engram and already has chemistry with Allen. Why would Buffalo make that trade?
Plus a million.
If can do somewhat better than a 7th round pick with negotiations, then not trading him would be idiotic. Would actually like to get another player instead if that is an option from any of the interested teams. A young RB, LB or G/OC buried somewhere on a depth would be a nice get.
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Evan Engram was noticeably absent from Giants' stretch lines. With trade deadline looming next week, his status will be worth monitoring, and with plenty of speculation.
No official word yet as to why Engram is not out on the field.
I hope we can get something for him, just tired of thinking he is going to have a good season to be disappointed. the Giants have never been able to get a receiving only TE to perform.
They seriously should stop trying.
I am not sure they would get multiple picks, but I have been
saying for two years now, move on from Engram.
Now is the time, no reason to bring him back next year.
Maybe he figures it out some place else, don't hold your breath on that...
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for (another Ole Miss Rebel) TE Dawson Knox and a 6th rounder.
Knox might be as good, probably better, than Engram and already has chemistry with Allen. Why would Buffalo make that trade?
They wouldn't in my view.
a 2-way TE difference-maker?
Jeremy Shockey in 2002?
LOL i hope you’re trolling. Knox is 10000000 times better than Engram. Buffalo would laugh at the suggestion.
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Evan Engram was noticeably absent from Giants' stretch lines. With trade deadline looming next week, his status will be worth monitoring, and with plenty of speculation.
No official word yet as to why Engram is not out on the field.
lol!
Engram is clearly a talented player, but he could definitely use a reset somewhere else.
It also depends on who else is going, and what their compensatory value is. Peppers? Hernandez? There are a limited amount of picks you can get, even if you sign no FA's.
Don't want to give EE away for "a pretzel and a bag of popcorn", but he's just not working out here.
I would take a fifth of scotch for him. Uh huh.
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The best you can hope for is a 5th and that seems far fetched
I would take a fifth of scotch for him. Uh huh.
Me too and I don't drink scotch.
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for (another Ole Miss Rebel) TE Dawson Knox and a 6th rounder.
Why would Buffalo make that trade?
Because Engram is a matchup nightmare, or haven't you heard?
Good luck with the new club, you deserve a fresh start, go get some legit pro bowl appearances.
Engram is clearly a talented player, but he could definitely use a reset somewhere else.
What are his talents exactly?
He's been here for 4 years and .... I got nothing. OK. He had that one long TD vs Tampa Bay.
Not necessarily. If team A trades a late pick for him, but EE signs with team B during FA period next year, team A could theoretically get a comp pick higher than the pick they traded.
this team still uses him as if he is an in-line TE - baffling
At this point since they are not going to resign him, trade him and move on.
Be interesting to see what a good OC can do with him. Reality is there are very few TE in this league who avg 4 receptions per game
That must be one shitty type of beer. Probably from CJ's brewery, I'm going to guess?
I'm fine with the Giants doing what they gotta do to tank this season, but there isn't another start-able TE currently on this roster.
I think a lot will depend on what happens Monday night. A win and the Giants are more likely to see themselves as still in play for a playoff spot and less likely to trade Engram or anyone. A loss and we could see them as active sellers in the trade market.