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Panthers pursuing Deshaun Watson per PFT

BSIMatt : 10/27/2021 12:42 pm
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While I won’t doubt the technical accuracy of the notion that Watson has only waived his no-trade clause for the Dolphins, it’s still possible that he’ll waive it for the Panthers, if the deal with the Dolphins doesn’t fully materialize.

Moreover, the Panthers are indeed pursuing Watson. They want him to waive the no-trade clause for Carolina. They want to acquire his services from the Texans. But, for reasons that likely will become apparent if/when a deal is done, they are second in line behind the Dolphins.

PFT:The two teams most likely to land quarterback Deshaun Watson - ( New Window )
latest is Dolphins won't meet the trade demands from Houston  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 12:44 pm : link
and the no trade clause is the issue for Carolina.
Rappaport  
kdog77 : 10/27/2021 12:47 pm : link
says Panthers are not going after Watson.
man I would hate to have to cheer  
Debaser : 10/27/2021 12:52 pm : link
for a scumbag
theres such massive risk trading for him  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 12:54 pm : link
and to be honest, the reward just isn't high enough. This ordeal is going to hang over him for a while still so you are looking at maybe 2022 to start getting a return on investment. Based on his last year in Houston, I question how great he can really be anyway. I don't consider him on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Murray so where he goes really matters.
Nothing can happen until Watson's legal issues are resolved.  
MOOPS : 10/27/2021 1:06 pm : link
He has both civil and criminal complaints pending. Unless there's a leak, no way the NFL knows anything about where the current criminal investigation stands. And the clock's ticking towards the trade deadline.

On another note, I'm kind of surprised the Eagles aren't sniffing around this steaming pile of dog crap (the whole situation, not the player). They could use a QB, they've rescued the 'untouchable' in the past and they have the capital to be in play.

Just don't let it be the Eagles!  
GiantBlue : 10/27/2021 1:13 pm : link
Just don't let it be the Eagles!

Just don't let it be the Eagles!

RE: theres such massive risk trading for him  
HomerJones45 : 10/27/2021 1:13 pm : link
In comment 15431470 UConn4523 said:
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and to be honest, the reward just isn't high enough. This ordeal is going to hang over him for a while still so you are looking at maybe 2022 to start getting a return on investment. Based on his last year in Houston, I question how great he can really be anyway. I don't consider him on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Murray so where he goes really matters.
What's the "massive" risk? It's a civil suit, and the plaintiffs have no interest in seeing his source of income and wealth dry up. And no doubt interested teams have already been in contact with Roger "Finger in the wind" Goodell concerning a possible suspension and got the answer they wanted.

He threw for 4800 yards, 33 td and only 7 picks and another 450 yards and 3 td rushing- on a team that went 4-12. He is definitely in that group you listed.

I don't think it is nearly the risk you guys think.
RE: Rappaport  
JB_in_DC : 10/27/2021 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15431462 kdog77 said:
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says Panthers are not going after Watson.


Who is pushing all of the Watson rumors - Watson's team or the Texans? It seems like all possible suitors are happy to wait out the legal situation even if it increases the cost because of how toxic it is.
RE: theres such massive risk trading for him  
Section331 : 10/27/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15431470 UConn4523 said:
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and to be honest, the reward just isn't high enough. This ordeal is going to hang over him for a while still so you are looking at maybe 2022 to start getting a return on investment. Based on his last year in Houston, I question how great he can really be anyway. I don't consider him on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Murray so where he goes really matters.


There certainly is a lot of risk, but you lose me on not sure how great he'll be based on his last year in HOU. He had nothing short of an MVP-quality year.
here is something to watch  
jvm52106 : 10/27/2021 1:23 pm : link
if the Watson team suddenly settles then a trade will follow immediately.

My only question is, if you don't have assurances from the NFL that they won't suspend him now (meaning prior to a conclusion to his legal issues) then why do the trade now? He would essentially go from not playing for the Texans to not being able to play for (Phins or Panthers)..
RE: Nothing can happen until Watson's legal issues are resolved.  
Producer : 10/27/2021 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15431494 MOOPS said:
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He has both civil and criminal complaints pending. Unless there's a leak, no way the NFL knows anything about where the current criminal investigation stands. And the clock's ticking towards the trade deadline.

On another note, I'm kind of surprised the Eagles aren't sniffing around this steaming pile of dog crap (the whole situation, not the player). They could use a QB, they've rescued the 'untouchable' in the past and they have the capital to be in play.


correct answer
RE: Nothing can happen until Watson's legal issues are resolved.  
Essex : 10/27/2021 1:31 pm : link
In comment 15431494 MOOPS said:
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He has both civil and criminal complaints pending. Unless there's a leak, no way the NFL knows anything about where the current criminal investigation stands. And the clock's ticking towards the trade deadline.

On another note, I'm kind of surprised the Eagles aren't sniffing around this steaming pile of dog crap (the whole situation, not the player). They could use a QB, they've rescued the 'untouchable' in the past and they have the capital to be in play.

It has been reported (no idea if true or not) that the Eagles were doing tons of research and contacted Houston, but Watson would not waive his no-trade clause for them.
was that really an MVP quality year?  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 1:32 pm : link
the guys I listed all had better seasons last year so i think my assessment was fair. He's around the top 5, probably just outside of it as long as Brady and Rodgers are still playing at the level they are. Add in the risk and its just not enough upside.
RE: man I would hate to have to cheer  
KingBlue : 10/27/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15431468 Debaser said:
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for a scumbag


You don't cheer for your QB anyway.
Florida is the perfect place for a guy  
Platos : 10/27/2021 1:51 pm : link
who likes getting his dick touched by masseuses
RE: RE: man I would hate to have to cheer  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 1:52 pm : link
In comment 15431541 KingBlue said:
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In comment 15431468 Debaser said:


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for a scumbag



You don't cheer for your QB anyway.


Haha
Actually now is the time to trade for him  
HomerJones45 : 10/27/2021 1:55 pm : link
the price in terms of picks and players will never be lower. If he did get suspended at some point, you don't have to pay him during the suspension.

No cares about the civil suits. These will get settled at some point, possibly several years down the road.

As for the criminal complaints, what are we talking about? "He paid me to rub his inner thigh and then he ejaculated and I was humiliated." I don't know, what do you charge him with under those circumstances? He's a rich defendant who will make a stand up fight of it unless he gets a favorable deal, so where are you going with that if you are a prosecutor?

That only leaves the woke social media warriors, and Goodell who does nothing but point where the wind blows, doesn't seem to be acting very concerned.
RE: Actually now is the time to trade for him  
Producer : 10/27/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15431581 HomerJones45 said:
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the price in terms of picks and players will never be lower. If he did get suspended at some point, you don't have to pay him during the suspension.

No cares about the civil suits. These will get settled at some point, possibly several years down the road.

As for the criminal complaints, what are we talking about? "He paid me to rub his inner thigh and then he ejaculated and I was humiliated." I don't know, what do you charge him with under those circumstances? He's a rich defendant who will make a stand up fight of it unless he gets a favorable deal, so where are you going with that if you are a prosecutor?

That only leaves the woke social media warriors, and Goodell who does nothing but point where the wind blows, doesn't seem to be acting very concerned.


It's not the right time, though, because Houston is not offering a discount. They still want two or three #1s.
RE: was that really an MVP quality year?  
Section331 : 10/27/2021 1:58 pm : link
In comment 15431531 UConn4523 said:
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the guys I listed all had better seasons last year so i think my assessment was fair. He's around the top 5, probably just outside of it as long as Brady and Rodgers are still playing at the level they are. Add in the risk and its just not enough upside.


Tom Brady won MVP in 2017 with almost identical stats, but 500 fewer yards and one less TD, so yes, Watson's 2020 was MVP-quality.

I read it differently  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 2:00 pm : link
sounds to me like Goodell doesn't want to be the determining factor in the trade compensation, because that's essentially what's happening.

And his value never being lower is a bit misleading because the ask is still apparently sky high. So what's higher than sky high? If he winds up being traded for a 1st and change than sure, I guess his price got lowered, but its been three 1sts this whole time (apparently) and then some.
RE: RE: was that really an MVP quality year?  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15431589 Section331 said:
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In comment 15431531 UConn4523 said:


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the guys I listed all had better seasons last year so i think my assessment was fair. He's around the top 5, probably just outside of it as long as Brady and Rodgers are still playing at the level they are. Add in the risk and its just not enough upside.



Tom Brady won MVP in 2017 with almost identical stats, but 500 fewer yards and one less TD, so yes, Watson's 2020 was MVP-quality.


I still don't agree, just check the splits.

Watson in 2020 had 20 of his 33 TD's in the 2nd half, 13 in the 4th quarter. Much more volume than Jalen Hurts but effectively the same premise - he got a lot of crappy late game TD's when the game was over.

Brady 2017 had 21 1st half TD's compared to Watson's 13 last season.

Context is everything. Watson got a fuckton of garbage time production last year.
RE: Actually now is the time to trade for him  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/27/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15431581 HomerJones45 said:
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the price in terms of picks and players will never be lower. If he did get suspended at some point, you don't have to pay him during the suspension.

No cares about the civil suits. These will get settled at some point, possibly several years down the road.

As for the criminal complaints, what are we talking about? "He paid me to rub his inner thigh and then he ejaculated and I was humiliated." I don't know, what do you charge him with under those circumstances? He's a rich defendant who will make a stand up fight of it unless he gets a favorable deal, so where are you going with that if you are a prosecutor?

That only leaves the woke social media warriors, and Goodell who does nothing but point where the wind blows, doesn't seem to be acting very concerned.


The NFL very much cares about the civil suits, and Houston police are investigating 10 complaints from women about sexual assault. He will have good lawyers, but if found guilty he's going to serve time. Massive risk, not to mention the PR hit you are going to take with a convicted sexual predator as your QB.
agreed  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 2:18 pm : link
anyone's personal feelings about the accusations are irrelevant. Goodell cares regardless of his statement yesterday. The NFL talks a big game about the inclusion of women working in the NFL, and viewing it at home. Its probably the #1 thing he's keeping tabs on as far as PR is concerned.
RE: RE: RE: was that really an MVP quality year?  
Section331 : 10/27/2021 2:41 pm : link
In comment 15431605 UConn4523 said:
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I still don't agree, just check the splits.

Watson in 2020 had 20 of his 33 TD's in the 2nd half, 13 in the 4th quarter. Much more volume than Jalen Hurts but effectively the same premise - he got a lot of crappy late game TD's when the game was over.

Brady 2017 had 21 1st half TD's compared to Watson's 13 last season.

Context is everything. Watson got a fuckton of garbage time production last year.


Despite their record, HOU pt diff was only -5, they weren't blown out of a lot of games. Only 3 games were more than one score, and Watson had 2 TD's in those games (1 was early to make the score 10-7). So that means he threw one garbage TD all year. And remember, Watson did this AFTER trading Hopkins.
Panthers and Dolphins are pushing this  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/27/2021 2:51 pm : link
to force Watson to settle
Watson v Bauer  
5BowlsSoon : 10/27/2021 2:51 pm : link
Why do so many teams hate Trevor Bauer for his one act against a gal who willingly said “bring me all the pain” and yet 20 some women have filed complaints against Watson yet all these teams are lining up to acquire him? Do they not care about his actions against women and how that looks?

Is there a double standard here?
that's just not true  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 2:55 pm : link
look at just week 1 - 4th quarter its 31-7 with 11 minutes to go. TD with 7 minutes to go and TD with 2.5 minutes to go making it 31-20. I won't say both are garbage time but the last one definitely is.

35-13 with a minute and a half left in the game against GB - TD to Fuller.

I haven't checked very game but there's simply no way its just 1. In any case, my point remains, there's atleast 5 QB's that are better than him right now that don't have legal trouble. Sticking by that statement.
RE: Watson v Bauer  
UConn4523 : 10/27/2021 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15431679 5BowlsSoon said:
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Why do so many teams hate Trevor Bauer for his one act against a gal who willingly said “bring me all the pain” and yet 20 some women have filed complaints against Watson yet all these teams are lining up to acquire him? Do they not care about his actions against women and how that looks?

Is there a double standard here?


There was visual proof of what Bauer did + text messages. Its like seeing Ray Rice uppercut his wife vs. not seeing AP beat his kid. Obviously completely different scenarios but there's something tangible for the public to see with Bauer, there isn't with Watson.

I also think Bauer crossed a line in a big way.
RE: Florida is the perfect place for a guy  
trueblueinpw : 10/27/2021 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15431569 Platos said:
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who likes getting his dick touched by masseuses


Are there guys that don’t like getting their dicks touched by masseuses? Serious question.
RE: RE: theres such massive risk trading for him  
nochance : 10/28/2021 7:33 am : link
In comment 15431507 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 15431470 UConn4523 said:


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and to be honest, the reward just isn't high enough. This ordeal is going to hang over him for a while still so you are looking at maybe 2022 to start getting a return on investment. Based on his last year in Houston, I question how great he can really be anyway. I don't consider him on the level of Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes/Murray so where he goes really matters.

What's the "massive" risk? It's a civil suit, and the plaintiffs have no interest in seeing his source of income and wealth dry up. And no doubt interested teams have already been in contact with Roger "Finger in the wind" Goodell concerning a possible suspension and got the answer they wanted.

He threw for 4800 yards, 33 td and only 7 picks and another 450 yards and 3 td rushing- on a team that went 4-12. He is definitely in that group you listed.

I don't think it is nearly the risk you guys think.


It goes to show you that stats are for losers. If he had 33 td's and only 7 ints how important were those td's he got?
Another example are Minchew's stats with JAX. They are quite impressive with a team which went 1-15. How about Kapernick in his last year with SF.
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