I’m seeing a categorical statement that there are no really good QBs coming out. I’d like posters to show a little bit of humility on this point.
After what we’ve seen from Jones in terms of field processing, pocket presence and timing, it’s become really clear that high level QBing that translates to the NFL is difficult to spot. It’s subtle and it requires skillful scouting to detect. In fact, real NFL scouts are constantly making erroneous projections after what I’m sure is extensive work and film viewing.
Two of the best NFL QBs ever, Joe Montana and Drew Brees, we’re physically ordinary and we’re in fact downgraded in the draft. Superb physical prototypes like Jeff George failed utterly.
So spare me any categorical statements about the upcoming class, even if you’ve watched several full college games. I’m not saying that there are or are not future greats in the coming class. I’m saying that after seeing Eli, Kerry Collins and Jones, we should know from experience that making the projection is REALLY HARD. (That’s what she said.)
Certainly there are exceptions but as long as the team drafts the best players I’m not sure it matters too much what position they play.
The Giants need to get in the habit of drafting guys that win.
I’m not really talking about games but rather possessions more importantly plays.
Find players that win on a high-level and it won’t matter what position they play.
I have only seen Corral play a couple times, he's not the answer. He has some skills, but his size and game are risky
for a team like the Giants. I actually want to see the rest
of the season play out with Jones first...
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and you look for the LT in '21 or '22.
This whole "see hole, plug hole" with your #1 pick drives me nuts.
Herbert probably would have been the Giants pick had he gone into the draft after his Junior season. He didn't, so the Giants went a different direction. The coach and the GM see DJ everyday, and they saw enough in him they didn't believe they needed to draft another QB the following year. Consequently, Herbert is not the Giants QB; time to get over it.
There's a big difference between preferring JH over DJ before you draft either one of them vs. preferring JH over DJ after you already spent a top-10 pick on DJ.
I'm not sure what the point is. DG personally scouted JH during his junior season. The speculation was that DG was going all in on JH that year. But JH decided to return to school and so the Giants went with DJ. You don't hold back on a guy you like to gamble that someone you like better may still be on the board when you draft the following year.
Why not?
If you're already picking up the option on you franchise legend incumbent, and you feel strongly about Herbert over Jones, why not wait a year to get the guy you really love instead of talking yourself into the best option available?
Worst case scenario, you have to leverage some current/future draft capital to go get your guy a year later, but you still end up getting your guy. And at the QB position, that's incredibly important.
That's what Accorsi had that DG lacks. Accorsi had a conviction on Eli and he was willing to go get him. If DG truly liked Herbert more than Jones, waiting a year and continuing to build would have made sense, especially since they had already committed the cap dollars to Eli for 2019.