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MNF historically screws the Giants

xtian : 10/27/2021 6:03 pm
According The Giants are 25-43-1 on Monday Night Football, including 9-13 at home. So, doing the math: 69 games, 22 home, 47 away. Giants are home 31.9% and away 68.1%. How is that possible?

The Giants have 3 primary games this year and all are on the road. Seriously!

Does anyone see this as problematic? I do. I noticed it decades ago.
it's a problem  
markky : 10/27/2021 6:04 pm : link
any game that shortens the week and is on the road is a problem.
don't know if this is true  
Enzo : 10/27/2021 6:06 pm : link
but I remember reading that Wellington didn't want to play home games on Monday nights because he thought the fans didn't like them/wouldn't attend.
As a season ticket holder  
FJ : 10/27/2021 6:07 pm : link
I prefer not going to night games. So I'm ok with this.
RE: it's a problem  
Jimmy Googs : 10/27/2021 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15431929 markky said:
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any game that shortens the week and is on the road is a problem.


Well, they were at home last week and this lengthens this week doesn't it? And that extra day may allow for some of the WRs to be available vs KC.

The problem isn't when and where they play, it's more about their play...

RE: RE: it's a problem  
markky : 10/27/2021 6:18 pm : link
In comment 15431932 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15431929 markky said:


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any game that shortens the week and is on the road is a problem.



Well, they were at home last week and this lengthens this week doesn't it? And that extra day may allow for some of the WRs to be available vs KC.

The problem isn't when and where they play, it's more about their play...


the problem comes when you either have less rest than your opponent OR you have the same rest but your opponent didn't have to travel. Thursday night away games are the biggest issue, but Monday games can be a problem too.

here's an interesting stat. over the last 3 seasons, in December or later when players are beat up and beat down, the home team is 19-3 on Thursday nights.
RE: RE: RE: it's a problem  
Jimmy Googs : 10/27/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15431936 markky said:
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In comment 15431932 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15431929 markky said:


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any game that shortens the week and is on the road is a problem.



Well, they were at home last week and this lengthens this week doesn't it? And that extra day may allow for some of the WRs to be available vs KC.

The problem isn't when and where they play, it's more about their play...




the problem comes when you either have less rest than your opponent OR you have the same rest but your opponent didn't have to travel. Thursday night away games are the biggest issue, but Monday games can be a problem too.

here's an interesting stat. over the last 3 seasons, in December or later when players are beat up and beat down, the home team is 19-3 on Thursday nights.


KC had to travel last week to Tenn and got their asses handed to them. They are home this week versus Giants and then have to travel next week. So not sure what your point is?

The 19-3 is statistically significant but it is not December nor is this a Thursday night game. So not relevant here, right?

As a STH  
redwhiteandbigblue : 10/27/2021 6:44 pm : link
I am absolutely fine with this. Wish there were even less. Hate Sunday and Monday night games. I don't know many STH who do.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 7:01 pm : link
Wasn't the opener vs. Dallas on MNF? The 35-0 blowout where we retired Simms' number @ half. I know it was a night game...just not sure if it was MNF or SNF.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 7:01 pm : link
Talking '95.
What kind of upsets me is  
John In CO : 10/27/2021 7:13 pm : link
the fact that the Giants will lose the extra day of rest to prepare for the Raiders the following Sunday, while the Raiders will be coming off of their bye week so will have two full weeks of rest. Doesnt seem well planned out there....seems like a fairly significant disadvantage/advantage.
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Jints in Carolina : 10/27/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15431971 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Wasn't the opener vs. Dallas on MNF? The 35-0 blowout where we retired Simms' number @ half. I know it was a night game...just not sure if it was MNF or SNF.


Yep. And I was there. Horrible night.
Jints.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 7:16 pm : link
Yikes. Sorry brother. Didn't Emmitt take a 80ish yard run to the house on like the 2nd play of the game?
The Giants screwed themselves on MNF...  
EricJ : 10/27/2021 7:19 pm : link
and any other prime time game. They usually get embarrassed which leaves that lasting memory with all of the football fans around the league.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 7:23 pm : link
I remember losing to Cleveland in '08 on MNF when we were 4-0 or 5-0. Their fans chanting 'Overrated'. That game sticks out.

& the '12 loss to RGIII & WFT on MNF killed us. We win that game & we win the East that season. That game still stings.
RE: Jints.  
Jints in Carolina : 10/27/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15431985 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Yikes. Sorry brother. Didn't Emmitt take a 80ish yard run to the house on like the 2nd play of the game?


Sure did.
Xtian  
Joe Beckwith : 10/27/2021 7:40 pm : link
We are the anti-Patriots:
Can’t hold, push, shove, tackle the opponent without a flag while our players drawing a flag touching the opposing QB, or sudden phantom calls from imaginary plays after the head ref gets a buzz from the booth.
The Rodney Dangerfield of teams, even during our 06 through ‘11 run.
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fredgbrown : 10/27/2021 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15431990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I remember losing to Cleveland in '08 on MNF when we were 4-0 or 5-0. Their fans chanting 'Overrated'. That game sticks out.

& the '12 loss to RGIII & WFT on MNF killed us. We win that game & we win the East that season. That game still stings.
Yes I remember that game the Giants were 4 - 0 Eli had a bad game with 3 int and one returned for a TD 94 yards. Even though they lost 35 -14 the game was still within reach going into the 4th qtr down by only 6. We know what happened after that game a 7 game winnning streak before Plax decided to go to the club with a gun tucked into his PJs that went off.
Giants screwed  
section125 : 10/27/2021 7:49 pm : link
themselves on most MNF games. Just win the games and let the other teams get screwed.
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FStubbs : 10/27/2021 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15432000 fredgbrown said:
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In comment 15431990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I remember losing to Cleveland in '08 on MNF when we were 4-0 or 5-0. Their fans chanting 'Overrated'. That game sticks out.

& the '12 loss to RGIII & WFT on MNF killed us. We win that game & we win the East that season. That game still stings.

Yes I remember that game the Giants were 4 - 0 Eli had a bad game with 3 int and one returned for a TD 94 yards. Even though they lost 35 -14 the game was still within reach going into the 4th qtr down by only 6. We know what happened after that game a 7 game winnning streak before Plax decided to go to the club with a gun tucked into his PJs that went off.


I remember that game, the one game of Braylon Edwards' career that he actually looked like the #3 overall pick.
RE: Giants screwed  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/27/2021 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15432003 section125 said:
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themselves on most MNF games. Just win the games and let the other teams get screwed.


Amen. Stop with the excuses. My goodness...
That Cleveland game was surreal  
Greg from LI : 10/27/2021 8:01 pm : link
They were an awful team, the Giants were playing incredible football at that time, and yet the Browns just dominated. Got killed by Derek goddamned Anderson, and fatass Shawn Rogers played the game of his life.
As a season ticket holder  
ajr2456 : 10/27/2021 8:04 pm : link
If the team is good I don’t mind Sunday and Monday night games that much every now and then. You get to watch all the games on Sunday and still watch the Giants in person .

There’s something about being in the stadium for a big night game.
RE: That Cleveland game was surreal  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/27/2021 8:06 pm : link
In comment 15432023 Greg from LI said:
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They were an awful team, the Giants were playing incredible football at that time, and yet the Browns just dominated. Got killed by Derek goddamned Anderson, and fatass Shawn Rogers played the game of his life.


Yeah. The team then reeled off like 7 or 8 straight wins. Just an odd game.
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McNally's_Nuts : 10/27/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15431990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I remember losing to Cleveland in '08 on MNF when we were 4-0 or 5-0. Their fans chanting 'Overrated'. That game sticks out.

& the '12 loss to RGIII & WFT on MNF killed us. We win that game & we win the East that season. That game still stings.


That 2012 game pissed me off. They couldn’t stop the read option and then Bob Griffin fumbles and it’s bounced on by fucking Josh Morgan for a touchdown
I like SNF way more than MNF  
Breeze_94 : 10/27/2021 8:31 pm : link
The SNF slate is always better, so if the Giants are playing a SNF game, it means they are good.

Plus the NBC production and telecast is the best in the biz IMO. Likely unpopular, but I enjoy the Al Michaels/Collinsworth duo- Collinsworth is one of the most knowledgeable commentators there is.
Bigger screw job  
Giants73 : 10/27/2021 8:54 pm : link
Is having the Giants play Monday night away and face a team on their bye week at 1:00 the following weekend
RE: don't know if this is true  
Justlurking : 10/27/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15431930 Enzo said:
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but I remember reading that Wellington didn't want to play home games on Monday nights because he thought the fans didn't like them/wouldn't attend.


This is 100% true. Traffic concerns on mondays.
Ownership knows  
cuty suzuki : 10/27/2021 10:40 pm : link
that the long time STH hate night games. Also there was parking in close by industrial parks when the new stadium was being built and the old stadium was being torn down. For those years there could be no Monday/Thursday home games because industry takes place on weekdays.
The Giants (and Jets) also lied and said that parking passes would be a temporary thing that would only last until Giants Stadium was paved over.
further and expanded thoughts  
xtian : 10/27/2021 11:41 pm : link
being the away team on monday night gets you this:

1. teams win more games at home. the giants record on MNF is worse than their regular season average because they only play 31.8% home games. the team itself feels the losing more of these 'big games' and therefore has less confidence.

2. traveling back home on a short week impacts the next week's game as they are more tired.

3. lastly, and least important, the national audience sees the giants in these prime time games over the long haul at a disadvantage. therefore, since the giants lose more of these games, the national audience has a lower opinion of the giants and the giants don't generate as many fans around the country. this costs the giants revenue.
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BestFeature : 10/27/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15432000 fredgbrown said:
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In comment 15431990 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I remember losing to Cleveland in '08 on MNF when we were 4-0 or 5-0. Their fans chanting 'Overrated'. That game sticks out.

& the '12 loss to RGIII & WFT on MNF killed us. We win that game & we win the East that season. That game still stings.

Yes I remember that game the Giants were 4 - 0 Eli had a bad game with 3 int and one returned for a TD 94 yards. Even though they lost 35 -14 the game was still within reach going into the 4th qtr down by only 6. We know what happened after that game a 7 game winnning streak before Plax decided to go to the club with a gun tucked into his PJs that went off.


I believe the Browns didn't punt all game. It was a horrendous game by the defense, as bad as I've seen, especially given the opponent.
RE: That Cleveland game was surreal  
Go Terps : 10/28/2021 12:20 am : link
In comment 15432023 Greg from LI said:
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They were an awful team, the Giants were playing incredible football at that time, and yet the Browns just dominated. Got killed by Derek goddamned Anderson, and fatass Shawn Rogers played the game of his life.


I view that game as an important one in modern Giants history. That was the first sign of cracks in the offensive line - cracks that continued to worsen even to this day. To me the peak of the Giants' last 20 years would have been a week or two before that game. After that, it started to decline ever so slightly. It lurched up again briefly in 2011, but that game was a sign of things to come. Point of inflection.
The only thing I hate more than MNF is TNF.  
Giant John : 10/28/2021 5:38 am : link
God invented football to be played on Sunday.
Watch out for Andy Reid  
Batenhorst7 : 10/28/2021 6:53 am : link
He loves to catch the conservative Giants off guard with his trick plays- passing from punt formation, flea flickers, onsides kicks at the beginning of games or halftime....he has snookered us many times
RE: The only thing I hate more than MNF is TNF.  
Dinger : 10/28/2021 8:01 am : link
In comment 15432175 Giant John said:
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God invented football to be played on Sunday.

And Saturdays! I love Saturday football. I hate sunday night thru Friday morning fooball;)

and yeah what ever glimmer of hope i had for them winning is quickly extinguished by the bright lights of monday night, patrick mahomes on the big stage and the giants record there.:(
this post is not about whether you like or dislike MNF  
xtian : 10/28/2021 8:12 am : link
it's about the giants being setup for failure by having a disproportion of away games.
back in the '80s, somehow they always played AT SF on MNF  
Victor in CT : 10/28/2021 11:11 am : link
then came home to play a division game on short rest after a 6 hour flight.
I was skeptical when I opened this thread  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/28/2021 11:16 am : link
But those are pretty wild numbers. It's hard to argue that having that big of discrepancy in home vs. road games happened by chance. I'm not even suggesting something nefarious against the Giants is going on, but it has to be a concerted effort and/or there has to be some sort of reason we're on the road for these so often.
RE: this post is not about whether you like or dislike MNF  
chick310 : 10/28/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15432207 xtian said:
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it's about the giants being setup for failure by having a disproportion of away games.


xtian, thanks for sharing as it is an odd percentage. Is that also the case for SNF games for the Giants too?

I don't have the facts on this, but I never liked night games for the Giants in general because it seemed like they lost way too often. And I am not referring to just the last 10 years, but even the decade or so before that when the team was much more successful.

Maybe the overwhelming away percentage has been a large reason why.
RE: RE: The only thing I hate more than MNF is TNF.  
Victor in CT : 10/28/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15432200 Dinger said:
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In comment 15432175 Giant John said:


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God invented football to be played on Sunday.


And Saturdays! I love Saturday football. I hate sunday night thru Friday morning fooball;)

and yeah what ever glimmer of hope i had for them winning is quickly extinguished by the bright lights of monday night, patrick mahomes on the big stage and the giants record there.:(


agree with both of you guys. those Saturday afternoon games in December were always a treat.

I despise SNF, MNF and most especially TNF
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Route 9 : 10/28/2021 12:03 pm : link
I went to two Giants home games on Monday Night (2013 vs Minnesota and 2016 vs Cincinnati) and man was that traffic much more awful than it usually is in the stadium's surrounding areas.
RE: RE: this post is not about whether you like or dislike MNF  
xtian : 10/28/2021 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15432408 chick310 said:
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In comment 15432207 xtian said:
my understanding these numbers were for games played on Monday Night. we know that MNF moved to SNF and another MNF started, so i don't think SNF was included. neither was TNF. both of those are new additions.

I hand calculated the TNF and the Giants are 3-7 with 2 homes games and 8 away games--this includes this year's wash game. does anyone think if the Giants had 8 home games and 2 away games that they would still be 3-7? No way! they would be at least 5-5 or even 7-3. they lost 2 close games to philly, 1 to wash, and 1 to chicago on away games. and the giants since 2006 haven't been so good overall.

I'm surprised that the Giants organization hasn't bitched about this. the only way this could be is that the mara's have wanted it this way--as several here have mentioned. true, the fans who go to the games are put out because of horrible traffic around NYC. but for every other fan, especially those not living in the metro area anymore [like me], it absolutely blows! i'm guaranteed to see them live on these prime time games and don't have to go to a sports bar and get treated to consistent losing and being at a disadvantage. it sucks!
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it's about the giants being setup for failure by having a disproportion of away games.

xtian, thanks for sharing as it is an odd percentage. Is that also the case for SNF games for the Giants too?

I don't have the facts on this, but I never liked night games for the Giants in general because it seemed like they lost way too often. And I am not referring to just the last 10 years, but even the decade or so before that when the team was much more successful.

Maybe the overwhelming away percentage has been a large reason why.
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