Speaking on The Herd, FOX Sports’ college football analyst Joel Klatt stated that he’d been told that Rhule was not “all the way in” on the NFL and could be a target for some top jobs including those at USC and potentially Penn State.
Every freaking coach seems to be linked to the USC job. Has anyone asked Saban if he is?
I feel like these schools, and coaches, need to stop even responding to reporters who ask these questions. I’m all for journalism, but it’s embarrassing at this point.
“Coach you’re team is undefeated and you’re in the playoff hunt. Do you think you’ll leave for USC?”
Do you blame him? If I had the choice of the two, I am coaching college.
NFL: Better for ultra-competitive workaholics who basically only care about football. College: Better for people who care about quality of life ad want to win all the time, even against lesser competition.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Bobby Bowden barely even coached the team, and he was a living legend on campus. It’s a full-time job with a lot of travel but coaching USC or Penn State would seem like a vacation compared with the NFL.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Bobby Bowden barely even coached the team, and he was a living legend on campus. It’s a full-time job with a lot of travel but coaching USC or Penn State would seem like a vacation compared with the NFL.
Agreed. Don’t forget the dynamic of making a tenth of what many of your players make. It’s not easy to get a dude fired up who is making 20 million a year and has a sore knee. I don’t even want to know how many of these college players are out there playing with injuries that sideline NFL players for multiple weeks so they can hope to play in the NFL one day and cash in.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Bobby Bowden barely even coached the team, and he was a living legend on campus. It’s a full-time job with a lot of travel but coaching USC or Penn State would seem like a vacation compared with the NFL.
Agreed. Don’t forget the dynamic of making a tenth of what many of your players make. It’s not easy to get a dude fired up who is making 20 million a year and has a sore knee. I don’t even want to know how many of these college players are out there playing with injuries that sideline NFL players for multiple weeks so they can hope to play in the NFL one day and cash in.
I can see that point. Albert Haynesworth comes to mind. Although for the most part players not living up to their contract get cut.
Don't act like he didn't have say on that. The owner paid out the ass for him. So he fucked up and is now not "all in"? Rhule/Carolina could have drafted either Fields or Jones and groomed them as their next young QB. They went with the Darnold train wreck instead.
He is not a good NFL coach and that was always the concern with these guys coming from college.
He looked ok until we got after him. He looked good the 1st 3 games when he had his all-world RB
Under siege any QB looks bad, unless he can run. I'm not on Darnolds case for last Sunday. He was a human Pinata
Which begs the question, does Jones have an edge over other pocket passers in that he can use his foot speed to foil Defenses?
I think so, and probably partially accounts for our low sack totals given up
Still not sure about the naked bootleg in the Dallas game.
If that was a called play Garrett was "sleeping with the enemy". Penny should be getting most of our goal line runs.
I knew Rhule sucked when BBI was in agreement he was the best coach for the giants. If BBI agrees, it's dead wrong.
One of the greatest shows ...watching the changing hindsigt. "you have to take a QB when you're rebuilding...YRosen was the pick over Barclay...No, Make that Sam Darnold....No Make that a guard,, No, we should have traded down....
And only last week ...long soulful and nasty criticisms of mara for not jumping a college coach with no proven NFL successes. And that of course, was after lauding Joe Judge for a short period of time
Even with the benefit of hindsight the cackling critics of BBI can't get it right. But failure here seems to empower the more they are wrong the surer and more vehement they become.. And God help us if, like a blind squirrel finding an acorn, they are ever right.
The fact is, we barely know enough to be competent observers.
Coaches at big schools can control their rosters via recruiting
The money is very close at the big schools and they usually get many years. I think the whole college environment is a nice thing. The rally's, walking to the game the morning of, incredible fan bases. Press is a lot easier and while not a easy job I think the shorter season and less off season does give you more time.
One thing the college guys learn is you have to have a good QB. In college you can build advantages elsewhere on the roster much easier if you are a good recruiter AND you have depth.
This may have something to do with Franklin/USC as Rhule is a Penn State alum.
This might have more to do with simply not being ready for the NFL and already getting jaded than it does anything else (if is true).
College coaches are used to having full control, which includes but isn't limited to recruiting. That control is gone in the NFL unless you are one of a couple guys (Belichick, Reid, etc and that's typically earned over many many successful years).
I knew Rhule sucked when BBI was in agreement he was the best coach for the giants. If BBI agrees, it's dead wrong.
One of the greatest shows ...watching the changing hindsigt. "you have to take a QB when you're rebuilding...YRosen was the pick over Barclay...No, Make that Sam Darnold....No Make that a guard,, No, we should have traded down....
And only last week ...long soulful and nasty criticisms of mara for not jumping a college coach with no proven NFL successes. And that of course, was after lauding Joe Judge for a short period of time
Even with the benefit of hindsight the cackling critics of BBI can't get it right. But failure here seems to empower the more they are wrong the surer and more vehement they become.. And God help us if, like a blind squirrel finding an acorn, they are ever right.
The fact is, we barely know enough to be competent observers.
College games are won and lost in HS kids living rooms. You sell talented recruits on your logo then pump them up and let them go make plays. Winning in the NFL is nothing like that.
intelligentsia, so why can't he adjust to the NFL?
or maybe they both aren't good or maybe they both will be good when they get personnel. That is why any particular definitive statement at any particular time assessing only a short body of work is probable a mistake.
from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
I have no idea if there's an ounce of truth in this
But to win in the NFL you need a very good coach and very good GM and an owner who let's them do their jobs. It's a tough job and not for the well adjusted. It's pretty much a level playing field designed to punish teams that win and prevent teams from being horrible for a long time. There are exceptions of course espeically in NY/NJ.
To win in college you need a program with big money boosters and the playing field isn't close to level. It's a much easier lifestyle for the HC even with having to recruit and the money is the same or more as in the NFL when you get to the top.
from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
But he took the job and did it well. We’ve seen plenty of coaches with talented teams not win, Switzer won. If he would have taken over a rebuilding team isn’t really relevant
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I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
But he took the job and did it well. We’ve seen plenty of coaches with talented teams not win, Switzer won. If he would have taken over a rebuilding team isn’t really relevant
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Troy Aikman or Michael Irvin, Barry Switzer rode around on a golf cart and didn't do shit. They would know.
I understand your overall point, but Barry Switzer's situation is unique and not really applicable to the others on the list.
He looked ok until we got after him. He looked good the 1st 3 games when he had his all-world RB
Under siege any QB looks bad, unless he can run. I'm not on Darnolds case for last Sunday. He was a human Pinata
I agree with this and I would also take it a step further - Rhule was an idiot for benching Darnold when he did last week. Darnold might not be anything special, but he has proven he can play in this league a little bit. Benching him in favor of a guy who can't hit the side of a barn when the game was still winnable?
Rhule handed the game to us on a silver platter when he did that, whereas we were reluctant to take it for ourselves with all the red zone nonsense and poor 4th down decision-making.
Last year going all in on defense made "some" sense. Bridgewater was a good option. Going with Darnold this year though and not taking Jones or Fields? Could be a major mistake.
I'll give you Kliff and Jim H as coach of the 49ers as the 2 - TWO - guys that have had a successful run as an NFL coach after being a "college" guy....that's it in about 25 years.
Carroll was an NFL guy that went to college and came back. John Harbaugh spent 10 years in the NFL before landing the head coaching job in Baltimore.
You've got to be insane to hire a college guyHC...
..about Lurie being in film sessions with the coaches.
The owner has huge impact on the head coach's success in this league. It cannot be easy working for Tepper.
That said, can't see it being a party working for the Maras. I've usually been able to have open and honest conversations with my line manager about what we were doing right and wrong.
I miss Fatman's insight on the Panthers (hope you're reading this).
I'll give you Kliff and Jim H as coach of the 49ers as the 2 - TWO - guys that have had a successful run as an NFL coach after being a "college" guy....that's it in about 25 years.
Carroll was an NFL guy that went to college and came back. John Harbaugh spent 10 years in the NFL before landing the head coaching job in Baltimore.
How many Lifer College guys have been hired as Head Coaches in the last 25 years. You acknowledge that Kliff and Jim H had success...name the ones you are referencing that have not had success? Very few college coaches land NFL head coaching gigs.
I feel like these schools, and coaches, need to stop even responding to reporters who ask these questions. I’m all for journalism, but it’s embarrassing at this point.
“Coach you’re team is undefeated and you’re in the playoff hunt. Do you think you’ll leave for USC?”
I'd think Rhule would have no incentive to get out of that contract.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
That trade, lol
That USC job, btw, is a great job and Rhule would be wise to take it if offered.
Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
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Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
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Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Bobby Bowden barely even coached the team, and he was a living legend on campus. It’s a full-time job with a lot of travel but coaching USC or Penn State would seem like a vacation compared with the NFL.
Agreed. Don’t forget the dynamic of making a tenth of what many of your players make. It’s not easy to get a dude fired up who is making 20 million a year and has a sore knee. I don’t even want to know how many of these college players are out there playing with injuries that sideline NFL players for multiple weeks so they can hope to play in the NFL one day and cash in.
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Very hard to sustain success in the NFL. Much easier in college with a lot less work.
The recruiting trail is hard, hard work. That's where the college game is won. It's pretty much a 24/7 job if you want to build a top shelf program. Don't be fooled thinking it's easy...
Bobby Bowden barely even coached the team, and he was a living legend on campus. It’s a full-time job with a lot of travel but coaching USC or Penn State would seem like a vacation compared with the NFL.
Agreed. Don’t forget the dynamic of making a tenth of what many of your players make. It’s not easy to get a dude fired up who is making 20 million a year and has a sore knee. I don’t even want to know how many of these college players are out there playing with injuries that sideline NFL players for multiple weeks so they can hope to play in the NFL one day and cash in.
I can see that point. Albert Haynesworth comes to mind. Although for the most part players not living up to their contract get cut.
He is not a good NFL coach and that was always the concern with these guys coming from college.
Under siege any QB looks bad, unless he can run. I'm not on Darnolds case for last Sunday. He was a human Pinata
Which begs the question, does Jones have an edge over other pocket passers in that he can use his foot speed to foil Defenses?
I think so, and probably partially accounts for our low sack totals given up
Still not sure about the naked bootleg in the Dallas game.
If that was a called play Garrett was "sleeping with the enemy". Penny should be getting most of our goal line runs.
One of the greatest shows ...watching the changing hindsigt. "you have to take a QB when you're rebuilding...YRosen was the pick over Barclay...No, Make that Sam Darnold....No Make that a guard,, No, we should have traded down....
And only last week ...long soulful and nasty criticisms of mara for not jumping a college coach with no proven NFL successes. And that of course, was after lauding Joe Judge for a short period of time
Even with the benefit of hindsight the cackling critics of BBI can't get it right. But failure here seems to empower the more they are wrong the surer and more vehement they become.. And God help us if, like a blind squirrel finding an acorn, they are ever right.
The fact is, we barely know enough to be competent observers.
Very well said ... I never understood the hype around Rhule which seems more falsely generated than real. I was happy he went with the Panthers.
One thing the college guys learn is you have to have a good QB. In college you can build advantages elsewhere on the roster much easier if you are a good recruiter AND you have depth.
This may have something to do with Franklin/USC as Rhule is a Penn State alum.
College coaches are used to having full control, which includes but isn't limited to recruiting. That control is gone in the NFL unless you are one of a couple guys (Belichick, Reid, etc and that's typically earned over many many successful years).
That would make 2 weasels on a boat.
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I knew Rhule sucked when BBI was in agreement he was the best coach for the giants. If BBI agrees, it's dead wrong.
One of the greatest shows ...watching the changing hindsigt. "you have to take a QB when you're rebuilding...YRosen was the pick over Barclay...No, Make that Sam Darnold....No Make that a guard,, No, we should have traded down....
And only last week ...long soulful and nasty criticisms of mara for not jumping a college coach with no proven NFL successes. And that of course, was after lauding Joe Judge for a short period of time
Even with the benefit of hindsight the cackling critics of BBI can't get it right. But failure here seems to empower the more they are wrong the surer and more vehement they become.. And God help us if, like a blind squirrel finding an acorn, they are ever right.
The fact is, we barely know enough to be competent observers.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
or maybe they both aren't good or maybe they both will be good when they get personnel. That is why any particular definitive statement at any particular time assessing only a short body of work is probable a mistake.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
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from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
Rhule = Saban? Are you issane?
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from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
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be the next Nick Saban if you can?
Rhule = Saban? Are you issane?
Despite the narrative Saban was a good NFL coach.
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from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
To win in college you need a program with big money boosters and the playing field isn't close to level. It's a much easier lifestyle for the HC even with having to recruit and the money is the same or more as in the NFL when you get to the top.
Who knew that "684" was code for "Mara"?
How are your horses doing, Chris?
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from a coaching perspective is wider now than it ever has been.
I said it at the time - and I'll say it again now... lifer college guys don't fair well in today's NFL.
Well, there's one in Arizona that's doing pretty well right now...
THere are outliers...of course...
Give me the other guy that made it...
Go ahead...I'll wait.
It’s probably a 50-50 split.
Jimmy Johnson, both Harbaughs, Switzer, Carroll, Saban, Bob Ross, John Robinson, Kliff. That’s just in the recent era. You can count Paul Brown, Hank Stram and the guys from back then too.
I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
But he took the job and did it well. We’ve seen plenty of coaches with talented teams not win, Switzer won. If he would have taken over a rebuilding team isn’t really relevant
I would take Switzer off that list. If he was asked to be part of an NFL rebuild rather than inheriting a championship team, he wouldn't have even taken the job.
But he took the job and did it well. We’ve seen plenty of coaches with talented teams not win, Switzer won. If he would have taken over a rebuilding team isn’t really relevant
I guess it depends on who you ask. If you ask Troy Aikman or Michael Irvin, Barry Switzer rode around on a golf cart and didn't do shit. They would know.
I understand your overall point, but Barry Switzer's situation is unique and not really applicable to the others on the list.
Under siege any QB looks bad, unless he can run. I'm not on Darnolds case for last Sunday. He was a human Pinata
I agree with this and I would also take it a step further - Rhule was an idiot for benching Darnold when he did last week. Darnold might not be anything special, but he has proven he can play in this league a little bit. Benching him in favor of a guy who can't hit the side of a barn when the game was still winnable?
Rhule handed the game to us on a silver platter when he did that, whereas we were reluctant to take it for ourselves with all the red zone nonsense and poor 4th down decision-making.
Unless you're a top NFL coach with a stable franchise, the college side is far more stable.
I'll give you Kliff and Jim H as coach of the 49ers as the 2 - TWO - guys that have had a successful run as an NFL coach after being a "college" guy....that's it in about 25 years.
Carroll was an NFL guy that went to college and came back. John Harbaugh spent 10 years in the NFL before landing the head coaching job in Baltimore.
The owner has huge impact on the head coach's success in this league. It cannot be easy working for Tepper.
That said, can't see it being a party working for the Maras. I've usually been able to have open and honest conversations with my line manager about what we were doing right and wrong.
I miss Fatman's insight on the Panthers (hope you're reading this).
I'll give you Kliff and Jim H as coach of the 49ers as the 2 - TWO - guys that have had a successful run as an NFL coach after being a "college" guy....that's it in about 25 years.
Carroll was an NFL guy that went to college and came back. John Harbaugh spent 10 years in the NFL before landing the head coaching job in Baltimore.
How many Lifer College guys have been hired as Head Coaches in the last 25 years. You acknowledge that Kliff and Jim H had success...name the ones you are referencing that have not had success? Very few college coaches land NFL head coaching gigs.