this off season. That is my hope anyway. He is too injury prone and we are cash strapped. Load up on draft picks, use one more year for Jones to develop or not develop and get the entire Oline revamped outside of LT and get an Edge guy who changes the face of the defense.
"When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury."
is the fact that we went after a guy in the draft that DG built up as a Gold Jacket guy (HOF player) at a position that very few high draft RB's actually play up to their status. Add to that, the fact that we had a shitty Oline and with a chance to really cement that line we instead take a guy whose entire role, his entire job is 100% reliant on the Oline!
DG's failings are many but regardless of what the Jones haters tell you, the pick of SB at #2 in 2018 is the biggest blunder draft wise DG has done. Do not tell me about SB's rookie year because we were still a losing team and we still struggled when SB couldn't take a long run or pass for a long gain because he isn't a pile mover or power runner. We are either homerun or bust and as the injuries mounted it became more and more bust!
He’s worth that amount of money. He’s still not used properly and he’s behind the worst line in football. We need a new OC. That’s the major issue beyond the offensive line. Garret is a joke and once he’s fired from this job he won’t be working on the sidelines anymore
The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
That is my understanding as well.
As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...
The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
That is my understanding as well.
As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...
for a team to get value out of Barkley (presuming health). Obviously horrible pick and massively overrated, but he has amazing physical traits. If he can get on the field, he should be delivering value.
Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere
for a team to get value out of Barkley (presuming health). Obviously horrible pick and massively overrated, but he has amazing physical traits. If he can get on the field, he should be delivering value.
Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere
That’s my thought, too. Barkley can’t exactly be enjoying his Giants career. He’ll be done by the time we emerge into contention.
This just doesn’t work. I don’t like him as a player, but his ability is besides the point at this period in time.
We have a new GM when I say this. Us Giants fans are going to have to get comfortable with saying goodbye to some guys we were hoping would be long term Giants. When you look at next years roster/cap there are some cap numbers that stick out like sore thumbs.
but at that salary I don't think there will be many teams that can afford him. I think Giants are stuck with him so spread the offense out and be happy with an occasional big play from a guy that will only play occasionally.
I know many will disagree and say that he is injury prone, but I can see him just as easily be beyond those injuries and believe he is due for a couple of healthy seasons. I am willing to take that gamble, but also draft an RB in the 3rd or 4th round.
Not much time to make that important decision.
hopefully we have a qualified unbiased new GM making that decision.
I started a thread last week on the options that went a little sideways — but in my view there’s no way they should option him.
I would let him play out next year, with no obligations. If he crushes it, they are going to extend him. If they cannot agree to terms, they can franchise him.
Is less than he’s making this year. Let him play and see if he’s productive. If he is, you franchise him for a 6th season. If he isn’t, then you let him walk. It’s that simple.
Is less than he’s making this year. Let him play and see if he’s productive. If he is, you franchise him for a 6th season. If he isn’t, then you let him walk. It’s that simple.
I think this is correct. Unless of course he can be traded for decent value before it reaches that point...
To be clear, 7.2M is a steal if Barkley plays 14 games with decent production.
And there would be a competitive market for him if the Giants want to trade him.
In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.
Nobody is giving up a 1st rounder for Barkley. Kenyan Drake has missed one game to injury in 5 years, and is an excellent receiver. SB is going to have to prove himself reliable before any team will give up significant draft capital.
The only other options are cut him and eat the money or trade him.
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Even the games this year, he was terrible until he got his sea legs back, then got hurt immediately.
Perhaps the most frustrating player I've ever seen.
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
DG's failings are many but regardless of what the Jones haters tell you, the pick of SB at #2 in 2018 is the biggest blunder draft wise DG has done. Do not tell me about SB's rookie year because we were still a losing team and we still struggled when SB couldn't take a long run or pass for a long gain because he isn't a pile mover or power runner. We are either homerun or bust and as the injuries mounted it became more and more bust!
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
That is my understanding as well.
As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...
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The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
That is my understanding as well.
As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...
Ugh.
Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
Ahh, I didn't know they updated it. Thank you.
That will also make the Jones option debate even more interesting
Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere
That’s my thought, too. Barkley can’t exactly be enjoying his Giants career. He’ll be done by the time we emerge into contention.
This just doesn’t work. I don’t like him as a player, but his ability is besides the point at this period in time.
He needs to be dealt.
Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
Correct, you'd have give him an extension/new contract or trade him to get the salary off the books.
And there would be a competitive market for him if the Giants want to trade him.
In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.
Sign me up even if it's a 2023.
Yes, they have between the end of the season and the first week of May 2022.
hopefully we have a qualified unbiased new GM making that decision.
hopefully we have a qualified unbiased new GM making that decision.
I started a thread last week on the options that went a little sideways — but in my view there’s no way they should option him.
I would let him play out next year, with no obligations. If he crushes it, they are going to extend him. If they cannot agree to terms, they can franchise him.
I think this is correct. Unless of course he can be traded for decent value before it reaches that point...
And there would be a competitive market for him if the Giants want to trade him.
In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.
Nobody is giving up a 1st rounder for Barkley. Kenyan Drake has missed one game to injury in 5 years, and is an excellent receiver. SB is going to have to prove himself reliable before any team will give up significant draft capital.