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7.2 Million

BigBlueJ : 11/4/2021 8:19 am
Are we really picking up Saquon Barkley's 2022? What are our options here?
That amount is guaranteed.  
cosmicj : 11/4/2021 8:21 am : link
I expect him to be on the Giants next season, but personally believe he should be traded, for everyone’s sake.
well...  
DannyDimes : 11/4/2021 8:22 am : link
Pick up the option and hope he stays healthy.
The 7.2 million IS his option  
cosmicj : 11/4/2021 8:26 am : link
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Jimmy Googs : 11/4/2021 8:26 am : link

 
christian : 11/4/2021 8:36 am : link
This was practically done and settled this offseason.

The only other options are cut him and eat the money or trade him.
I think he gets traded  
jvm52106 : 11/4/2021 8:42 am : link
this off season. That is my hope anyway. He is too injury prone and we are cash strapped. Load up on draft picks, use one more year for Jones to develop or not develop and get the entire Oline revamped outside of LT and get an Edge guy who changes the face of the defense.
It's not fully guaranteed at this time  
Blue The Dog : 11/4/2021 8:43 am : link
"When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s roster at the start of the League Year in his option season, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap and injury."


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Crazy thing about Barkley:  
mittenedman : 11/4/2021 8:47 am : link
he's been hurt almost the entire time they've had him. They got maybe 20 healthy games out of him in 4 years.

Even the games this year, he was terrible until he got his sea legs back, then got hurt immediately.

Perhaps the most frustrating player I've ever seen.
Blue the Dog  
cosmicj : 11/4/2021 8:50 am : link
That language is confusing. Does it mean Barkley can simply be waived, relieving the Giants of the duty to pay that 5th year?
Thanks guys  
BigBlueJ : 11/4/2021 8:50 am : link
I really can't remember a more disappointing player maybe in my lifetime as far as expectation vs reality. I thought he would be our Walter Payton.
 
christian : 11/4/2021 9:00 am : link
The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.

Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.
What is difficult to deal with, to see  
jvm52106 : 11/4/2021 9:07 am : link
is the fact that we went after a guy in the draft that DG built up as a Gold Jacket guy (HOF player) at a position that very few high draft RB's actually play up to their status. Add to that, the fact that we had a shitty Oline and with a chance to really cement that line we instead take a guy whose entire role, his entire job is 100% reliant on the Oline!

DG's failings are many but regardless of what the Jones haters tell you, the pick of SB at #2 in 2018 is the biggest blunder draft wise DG has done. Do not tell me about SB's rookie year because we were still a losing team and we still struggled when SB couldn't take a long run or pass for a long gain because he isn't a pile mover or power runner. We are either homerun or bust and as the injuries mounted it became more and more bust!
Yes we certainly will  
Tuckrule : 11/4/2021 9:08 am : link
He’s worth that amount of money. He’s still not used properly and he’s behind the worst line in football. We need a new OC. That’s the major issue beyond the offensive line. Garret is a joke and once he’s fired from this job he won’t be working on the sidelines anymore
RE: …  
Jimmy Googs : 11/4/2021 9:09 am : link
In comment 15442603 christian said:
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The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.

Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.


That is my understanding as well.

As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...
 
christian : 11/4/2021 9:13 am : link
This is the update to the article posted above.
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Harvest Blend : 11/4/2021 9:15 am : link
In comment 15442620 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15442603 christian said:


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The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.

Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.



That is my understanding as well.

As an example, the Giants, who selected Engram in 2017, exercised his option but could have still released him this past March 2021 and not been obligated to pay him the $6M+ for this season. This was the last draft class of being able to do this...


Ugh.
There has got to be a way  
Jerry in_DC : 11/4/2021 9:32 am : link
for a team to get value out of Barkley (presuming health). Obviously horrible pick and massively overrated, but he has amazing physical traits. If he can get on the field, he should be delivering value.

Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere
RE: …  
Blue The Dog : 11/4/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15442603 christian said:
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The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.

Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.


Ahh, I didn't know they updated it. Thank you.

That will also make the Jones option debate even more interesting
RE: There has got to be a way  
cosmicj : 11/4/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15442650 Jerry in_DC said:
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for a team to get value out of Barkley (presuming health). Obviously horrible pick and massively overrated, but he has amazing physical traits. If he can get on the field, he should be delivering value.

Hes an exciting player - id like to see him do something in the NFL somewhere


That’s my thought, too. Barkley can’t exactly be enjoying his Giants career. He’ll be done by the time we emerge into contention.

This just doesn’t work. I don’t like him as a player, but his ability is besides the point at this period in time.

He needs to be dealt.
Should have admit their mistake  
thedogfather : 11/4/2021 10:33 am : link
and traded him yesterday. Saquon will never live up to his expectations.
I'm assuming  
Biteymax22 : 11/4/2021 10:49 am : link
We have a new GM when I say this. Us Giants fans are going to have to get comfortable with saying goodbye to some guys we were hoping would be long term Giants. When you look at next years roster/cap there are some cap numbers that stick out like sore thumbs.
RE: …  
Biteymax22 : 11/4/2021 10:50 am : link
In comment 15442603 christian said:
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The 5th year option rules changed for players picked in 2018 onward.

Their 5th option is fully guaranteed when they are exercised, not at the start of the following league year.


Correct, you'd have give him an extension/new contract or trade him to get the salary off the books.
He has to go  
averagejoe : 11/4/2021 11:38 am : link
but at that salary I don't think there will be many teams that can afford him. I think Giants are stuck with him so spread the offense out and be happy with an occasional big play from a guy that will only play occasionally.
I'm fine with the 5th year option at 7.2  
ron mexico : 11/4/2021 11:41 am : link
no way do I do a real extension at 15 mil a year or so
I am also fine with fifth year at $7.2  
GeoMan999 : 11/4/2021 11:52 am : link
I know many will disagree and say that he is injury prone, but I can see him just as easily be beyond those injuries and believe he is due for a couple of healthy seasons. I am willing to take that gamble, but also draft an RB in the 3rd or 4th round.
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christian : 11/4/2021 12:02 pm : link
To be clear, 7.2M is a steal if Barkley plays 14 games with decent production.

And there would be a competitive market for him if the Giants want to trade him.

In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.
RE: ...  
Harvest Blend : 11/4/2021 12:07 pm : link
In comment 15442908 christian said:
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In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.


Sign me up even if it's a 2023.
Question for Christian  
Rick in Dallas : 11/4/2021 1:53 pm : link
Is their a drop dead date that you have to exercise the 5th year on Daniel Jones? Is it sometime this upcoming offseason?
RE: Question for Christian  
christian : 11/4/2021 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15443156 Rick in Dallas said:
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Is their a drop dead date that you have to exercise the 5th year on Daniel Jones? Is it sometime this upcoming offseason?


Yes, they have between the end of the season and the first week of May 2022.
Thanks Christian  
Rick in Dallas : 11/4/2021 1:59 pm : link
Not much time to make that important decision.
hopefully we have a qualified unbiased new GM making that decision.
RE: Thanks Christian  
christian : 11/4/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15443175 Rick in Dallas said:
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Not much time to make that important decision.
hopefully we have a qualified unbiased new GM making that decision.


I started a thread last week on the options that went a little sideways — but in my view there’s no way they should option him.

I would let him play out next year, with no obligations. If he crushes it, they are going to extend him. If they cannot agree to terms, they can franchise him.

7.2 million  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/4/2021 3:56 pm : link
Is less than he’s making this year. Let him play and see if he’s productive. If he is, you franchise him for a 6th season. If he isn’t, then you let him walk. It’s that simple.
I agree with you Christian  
Rick in Dallas : 11/4/2021 4:02 pm : link
I am so tired of these DJ conversations going sideways. I appreciate your thoughts on how the Giants should proceed with DJ
RE: 7.2 million  
Jimmy Googs : 11/4/2021 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15443365 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Is less than he’s making this year. Let him play and see if he’s productive. If he is, you franchise him for a 6th season. If he isn’t, then you let him walk. It’s that simple.


I think this is correct. Unless of course he can be traded for decent value before it reaches that point...
RE: ...  
Section331 : 11/4/2021 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15442908 christian said:
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To be clear, 7.2M is a steal if Barkley plays 14 games with decent production.

And there would be a competitive market for him if the Giants want to trade him.

In a market where the Kenyan Drakes get 5.5M/YR -- Barkley probably fetches you a late first or early second with that salary locked.


Nobody is giving up a 1st rounder for Barkley. Kenyan Drake has missed one game to injury in 5 years, and is an excellent receiver. SB is going to have to prove himself reliable before any team will give up significant draft capital.
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