I’d argue that these are the two most important voices in the franchise not named Mara. After the loss to the Rams, I was certain that the wheels would fall off and ownership would be forced into an outside hire general manager. Now, I think Abrams has a chance again. I always felt he has been groomed for this role since Gettleman was hired. I’m not saying this is good, I’d much prefer an outside voice, although I would not advocate firing Judge at this point.
Of course promoting Abrams would be the safe movie so of course I could see John doing it. He's such a fucking wimp.
If that's what it comes to hopefully the Jones and Barkley scholarships leave with Gettleman, and Garrett is shown the door too.
If that's what it comes to hopefully the Jones and Barkley scholarships leave with Gettleman, and Garrett is shown the door too.
GT, the thought of elevating someone who has been involved in this shitshow makes me nauseous.
If that's what it comes to hopefully the Jones and Barkley scholarships leave with Gettleman, and Garrett is shown the door too.
I think if this happens, you have to reset the clock on Judge. Let both sink or swim together.
The issue is Mara will not want to move off Judge. He really screwed up retaining Gettleman after 2019, although I expect this was always the plan.
I have little to no faith in Mara making the right call so-gun to head-I now think DG 'retires' & either Abrams or Pettit is elevated to the top job. Yay!!!
I'll be seeing my hopes lower; simply that Judge inherited Jones and Barkley and will want to move on. Doesn't solve every problem, but it solves two big ones.
He inherited DJ & much of this roster from a buffoon of a GM.
If it was up to me, the Giants hire a GM from outside the organization & he makes the decision on JJ. None of this arranged marriage BS.
Can't fire Judge if and when '22 goes bad because it's spent shedding Gettleman's errors.
He inherited DJ & much of this roster from a buffoon of a GM.
If it was up to me, the Giants hire a GM from outside the organization & he makes the decision on JJ. None of this arranged marriage BS.
That's what I would do too.
Louis Riddick was an outside voice in 2018 who, in hindsight, basically gets you the same results as Gettleman except Collins is paid big money to stay here, Beckham stays and Haskins is taken over Jones. That sounds fun.
George Young to Accorsi was pretty seamless, as was Accorsi to Reese.
I know over on the Sam Beal thread there is a lot of revisiting a ship that has already sailed. Beal was a fuck up of 3 years ago now, lamenting that pick is pointless. He was a sunk cost.
Whatever the draft situation since Judge has come on board has been pretty good so far. Thomas, McKinney, Toney and Ojulari with premium picks the last 2 years with additional resources picked up in a big draft this year, and it’s interesting that I rarely hear the latter discussed around here, only the perceived FA struggle people feel we’re in for.
Whatever Gettleman’s actual role is at this point, Mara would be wise to suggest he retire (wink, wink) and let Judge proceed with who he’s comfortable with.
And Abrams will be his "Robin" to handle all the intricacies that go along with wearing a GM and HC hat.
I give EA total credit for building-in part-3 Super Bowl teams. No argument there. Where he fucked us was recommending DG. He was doing a solid for a friend & set this franchise back years.
Louis Riddick was an outside voice in 2018 who, in hindsight, basically gets you the same results as Gettleman except Collins is paid big money to stay here, Beckham stays and Haskins is taken over Jones. That sounds fun.
George Young to Accorsi was pretty seamless, as was Accorsi to Reese.
I know over on the Sam Beal thread there is a lot of revisiting a ship that has already sailed. Beal was a fuck up of 3 years ago now, lamenting that pick is pointless. He was a sunk cost.
Whatever the draft situation since Judge has come on board has been pretty good so far. Thomas, McKinney, Toney and Ojulari with premium picks the last 2 years with additional resources picked up in a big draft this year, and it’s interesting that I rarely hear the latter discussed around here, only the perceived FA struggle people feel we’re in for.
Whatever Gettleman’s actual role is at this point, Mara would be wise to suggest he retire (wink, wink) and let Judge proceed with who he’s comfortable with.
So what's the argument for the inside voices? Heck with those voices you at least have some semblance of a track record, and the past 10 years have been miserable.
Doesn't mean Accorsi was the right guy for the GM search.
He conducted a fake search. It was for redemption. Accorsi recommended his friend DG because he felt guilty he recommended Reese over DG when he retired. And he essentially said so on a podcast in the summer of '20.
So Accorsi deserves all the mocking that comes his way...
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of an argument. What about an outside voice are you really looking for?
Louis Riddick was an outside voice in 2018 who, in hindsight, basically gets you the same results as Gettleman except Collins is paid big money to stay here, Beckham stays and Haskins is taken over Jones. That sounds fun.
George Young to Accorsi was pretty seamless, as was Accorsi to Reese.
I know over on the Sam Beal thread there is a lot of revisiting a ship that has already sailed. Beal was a fuck up of 3 years ago now, lamenting that pick is pointless. He was a sunk cost.
Whatever the draft situation since Judge has come on board has been pretty good so far. Thomas, McKinney, Toney and Ojulari with premium picks the last 2 years with additional resources picked up in a big draft this year, and it’s interesting that I rarely hear the latter discussed around here, only the perceived FA struggle people feel we’re in for.
Whatever Gettleman’s actual role is at this point, Mara would be wise to suggest he retire (wink, wink) and let Judge proceed with who he’s comfortable with.
So what's the argument for the inside voices? Heck with those voices you at least have some semblance of a track record, and the past 10 years have been miserable.
The argument for it is exactly what I stated above. If you look at the last 2 drafts, and I would also say FA periods with Bradberry, Martinez, Booker, etc., whatever was failing them has gotten much better since Judge’s arrival.
Both are possible.
I wouldn’t call the FAs great, but they’re improved. The last 2 drafts were excellent. Give me a break.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Mara feels guilty - now - about giving the job to DG over Abrams. Because it seems Mara had gotten into an interesting pattern of making decisions with emotion over logic.
At this point, if we are going to stay in-house with the GM, give dual responsibility to Judge. He can't be any worse than DG. And could probably get better results throwing a dart at names on a board with drafting or signing FAs.
As for '21...AT looks like a freak @ WR. Ojulari has been good.
Not comparing the last two drafts to the '74 Steelers draft, but I think there's some talent there. Let's just hope they continue to improve.
Yea, low. Ok dude. You’re not sounding smart here.
4 immediate starters with 4 premium picks, all of which have flashed anywhere from above average starter to all pro ability within their first 1-2 seasons. Not to mention Crowder, Lemieux, Peart and Holmes who are all contributing and are obviously a part of the future plans.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Mara feels guilty - now - about giving the job to DG over Abrams. Because it seems Mara had gotten into an interesting pattern of making decisions with emotion over logic.
At this point, if we are going to stay in-house with the GM, give dual responsibility to Judge. He can't be any worse than DG. And could probably get better results throwing a dart at names on a board with drafting or signing FAs.
Here’s a question for you. If Mara is blindly forcing the “Giant way” on this franchise and averse to outside influence, why didn’t he just hire Marc Ross? He was the first interview.
Two players that were on this team in 2017 are still here in 2021. I expect similar turnover these next two to four years. I don't see building blocks here. Thomas has the best shot, but I'm not counting on anyone else.
Listen. That's great. I'm a loyal person too. But I'm not running a billion dollar enterprise. This is a business. You gotta be cutthroat at times.
Listen. That's great. I'm a loyal person too. But I'm not running a billion dollar enterprise. This is a business. You gotta be cutthroat at times.
Not saying he doesn’t. Just pointing out that technically Ross was the inside candidate several years ago, much more than Gettleman.
We'll see.
Excellent?
From Merriam-Webster...
1: very good of its kind : eminently good : FIRST-CLASS
2 archaic : SUPERIOR
Are you sure excellent is the right adjective?
Two players that were on this team in 2017 are still here in 2021. I expect similar turnover these next two to four years. I don't see building blocks here. Thomas has the best shot, but I'm not counting on anyone else.
So admittedly you like Thomas. The worst you can say about Toney is you think he might be a jerk because he tweets. Ojulari is leading all rookies in sacks but you don’t think he’s a building block and I guess not sure what you think of McKinney but don’t like him that much either.
Hope all hit.
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The last 2 drafts were excellent. Give me a break.
Excellent?
From Merriam-Webster...
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Definition of excellent
1: very good of its kind : eminently good : FIRST-CLASS
2 archaic : SUPERIOR
Are you sure excellent is the right adjective?
Thomas
McKinney
Crowder
Lemieux (figured to be a starter on the OL this year)
Peart
Holmes
Toney
Ojulari
A bunch of potential development still to come with guys like Robinson and Smith plus 5 premium picks next year as a result of this past year’s draft maneuvering. It’s early yet, but yes. I’m confident in saying that’s an excellent job in the last 2 drafts.
Here’s a question for you. If Mara is blindly forcing the “Giant way” on this franchise and averse to outside influence, why didn’t he just hire Marc Ross? He was the first interview.
But Mara still checked the "Giants Way" box with Gettleman. My guess Mara was thrilled that Gettleman was on the market and used GenoGate to kill two birds - HC and GM - with one stone to make sure he (and Ernie) could get DG.
Mara likely went to Ernie to ask him what he thought of DG. And Ernie was very likely thrilled to endorse his old friend and give him a second crack at the GM job.
I have absolutely no doubt that DG was on Mara's mind by October of the 2017 season...
I actually don't object to the profile of Abrams, but Abrams himself should be a non starter because he's been marinating in the stupidity of the Giants FO for so long
If you don’t already know that it’s an excellent result to have a player who was literally picked last in his draft class step into a starting role on a defense that’s been very good over the past 1.5 seasons then maybe you just don’t understand how the draft works.
If the Giants don't promote him, is he likely to get a GM job elsewhere in 2022?
1. Marshon Lattimore
1. Ryan Ramczyk
2. Marcus Williams
3. Alvin Kamara
3. Trey Hendrickson
If the Giants don't promote him, is he likely to get a GM job elsewhere in 2022?
HAHA. No.
Mara can't promote from within.
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Excellence?
If you don’t already know that it’s an excellent result to have a player who was literally picked last in his draft class step into a starting role on a defense that’s been very good over the past 1.5 seasons then maybe you just don’t understand how the draft works.
Who did he have to beat out to "step in" to that role? Reggie Ragland? He's starting, sure. On a team with serious personnel issues and lack of depth. And no one thinks Tae Crowder is the reason the defense plays well. This defense goes the way the secondary and the DL go.
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Great link.
Here is an important line in that article, btw:
Now there is a guy I would sign-up for right now. Will McClay. He is THE reason Dallas drafts so well. The guy is a personnel savant...