I’d argue that these are the two most important voices in the franchise not named Mara. After the loss to the Rams, I was certain that the wheels would fall off and ownership would be forced into an outside hire general manager. Now, I think Abrams has a chance again. I always felt he has been groomed for this role since Gettleman was hired. I’m not saying this is good, I’d much prefer an outside voice, although I would not advocate firing Judge at this point.
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Does anyone have any real information on why Abrams would be a lousy choice other than he's already in the building? Can anyone discuss strengths/weaknesses relative to other names that have been mentioned? Does anyone know what role he currently plays other than cap strategist, especially in relation to player evaluation? Has anyone seen, heard, read asshat info on how Abrams is thought of around the league? Can anyone detail action, decisions he's responsible for that would disqualify him as a candidate?
I, of course, don't have a clue whether he should be considered, or is even a viable candidate to replace Gettleman. But there are probably examples of someone who worked in a subordinate role in losing organizations who achieved success when given a shot at a top, GM-type job, just as there are probably examples of those coming from winning programs who've failed. Again, I'm not trying to bury Abrams or praise him. Maybe there's already a book on him one way or another, but none of us has been privy to it.
Solid post. Don't expect it to gain much traction around here though.
In fact, in the last 3 GM transitions there have been 2 decisions hire internally from Young to Accorsi and Accorsi to Reese. Both of which were huge successes.
Tell us about the third internal decision, Chris.
And was Accorsi to Reese a huge success? You said earlier in this thread that Accorsi was the chief architect of BOTH of the most recent SB teams. So what was Reese's role?
Sifting through all of my prior posts shotgun style I see!
First off, the compliment I paid to Accorsi doesn't take away from what Reese did. However, there's no denying who built the foundation for the 2007-2011 teams. Accorsi built out the core of those teams (Eli, Snee, Diehl, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, CWeb, Jacobs, KMac) while Reese did an excellent job supplementing the talent with the likes of Rolle, JPP, Nicks, Bradshaw, Steve Smith, etc. Anyway, call Gettleman's tenure in Carolina whatever you want, that's not my point. I'm not married to what Gettleman has done here which is an overall bad job which I've said plenty of times.
Second, the winning % is starting to improve. I think you'll see that play out as this season carries on.
Lastly, are you sure Gettleman was the inside candidate in 2017? What would that have made Marc Ross who interviewed for the job first? I addressed your question on Reese above.
what if Judge disagrees with you and wants Jones to be his QB and/or Abrams to be his GM.
what if Judge disagrees with you and wants Jones to be his QB and/or Abrams to be his GM.
Then he isn't as bright as he comes off.
Again, why would he want those things?
1. Cap management
2. Managing the draft (trading down for example)
3. Personnel
Why would Judge want an outside GM with no ties to him. Then he’s immediately on the clock. I’d assume he’d prefer Abrams over that scenario. It’ll be interesting to see if he tries to influence Mara to look at Ossenfort, Dimitroff or Pioli (all Patriot ties).
Here was Eli's production in year 3:
3,494 total yards 20 total TDs 13 total INTs 80.4 rating
Here is Jones production on the season to date projected onto16 games:
4,119 total yards 18 total TDs 9 total INTs 87 rating
I think you're looking at year 4 for Eli, he had 24 TD's in year 3, which ranked him 6th in the NFL. It's a different league now. Last year, that would have tied for 17th. Even in 2007, when he had 20 TD's, he was 11th in the league.
16 TD passes in a 17-game season simply isn't going to cut it. Last year, that would have ranked 23rd, tied with Gardner Minshew (who only played 8 games) and the immortal Mitch Trubisky.
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what if Judge disagrees with you and wants Jones to be his QB and/or Abrams to be his GM.
Then he isn't as bright as he comes off.
Again, why would he want those things?
So your entire opinion on Judge as a head coach hinges on whether or not he has Jones as the quarterback. You do know that a lot of things in a football game are outside of the quarterback's control, right?
We really do not know what role Abrams played in Jones or other key decisions. For all we know, this was just a shurmur "trying to get a spark" from a mobile QB trick that so may desperate coaches have resorted to over the years (with little success I might add). Whether that is Rhule benching Darnold recently or Mcadoo big suit benching Eli for geno Smith. For all we know that was what Shurmur was doing with Jones.
In other words, Jones was really just Shurmurs choice. And that makes sense if you think about it since he was coach.
I would not expect a new GM especially an outsider to ruffle feathers as I would Abrams who at least Mara knows and respects.
We really do not know what role Abrams played in Jones or other key decisions. For all we know, this was just a shurmur "trying to get a spark" from a mobile QB trick that so may desperate coaches have resorted to over the years (with little success I might add). Whether that is Rhule benching Darnold recently or Mcadoo big suit benching Eli for geno Smith. For all we know that was what Shurmur was doing with Jones.
In other words, Jones was really just Shurmurs choice. And that makes sense if you think about it since he was coach.
I would not expect a new GM especially an outsider to ruffle feathers as I would Abrams who at least Mara knows and respects.
We'll have to agree to disagree that Jones was Shurmur's pick. It was DG who gushed about falling "full bloom in love" with him at the Sr Bowl, and there were reports that Shurmur preferred Lock.
I think Mara forced DG to give Judge more input, I don't think Shurmur had nearly as much influence.