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Who Are The WORST Giants 1st Round Draft Picks of All Time?

Jim in Tampa : 11/12/2021 12:26 pm
In another thread a poster referred to Saquon Barkley as the worst draft pick that the Giants had ever made.

Hopefully he was just being hyperbolic, but it did make me think about past #1 draft choices and who might actually be the worst.

After a little research I noticed that we (unfortunately) had a lot of good candidates. So I split them up into two different categories… pre and post 2000.

With that in mind, who are your choices for the Giants worst 1st Round picks in each century?

I have listed all the players below (chronologically) who I believe would receive votes, but feel free to choose another 1st RD pick if yours is not listed.

My choices… Deandre Baker (This Century) and Tucker Fredrickson (Last Century).

Baker played poorly his rookie year, got arrested for gun play in the off season and was cut.

Fredrickson wasn’t a bad player and he did accomplish more than many of the other Giants’ #1s on the Last Century list. But it’s tough to forgive Wellington for choosing Tucker with the #1 overall pick when he could have had his pick of HoFers Gale Sayers, Dick Butkus or Joe Namath.

Again, who are your two “worst” picks and why?

This Century
Daniel Jones- 19
Deandre Baker-19
Saquan Barkley-18
Evan Engram-17
Eli Apple-16
Eric Flowers-15
OBJ-14
David Wilson-12
Ron Dayne-00

Last Century
Cedric Jones-96
Tyrone Wheatley-95
Thomas Lewis-94
Derek Brown-92
Jarrod Bunch-91
George Adams-85
John Hicks-74
Rocky Thompson-71
Tucker Fredrickson-65
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A Few More  
Piranah In NC : 11/12/2021 3:22 pm : link
Butch Woolfolk RB WHAT !!

George Adams RB Right , other than That Dallas game.

Jeremy Schockey TE.. Loved his Warrior mentality, Hated his Temperment.

Dave Brown..Awful Choice. Wonder if Daniel Jones was warned not to wear nr. 17

David Wilson RB.. OMG !

Eli Apple CB.Pass Interference calls always VS. The Eagles.
In my time as a fan  
eugibs : 11/12/2021 3:27 pm : link
Wheatley, Dayne, Wilson and Barkley in no particular order. Do not draft running backs in the first round. Ever. Under no circumstances.
RE: In my time as a fan  
RCPhoenix : 11/12/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15452533 eugibs said:
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Wheatley, Dayne, Wilson and Barkley in no particular order. Do not draft running backs in the first round. Ever. Under no circumstances.


Especially if they are from the Big Ten.
Justin Pugh should be in the conversation as well  
RCPhoenix : 11/12/2021 3:36 pm : link
Yuck.
RE: NOT EVEN CLOSE  
yalebowl : 11/12/2021 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15452504 Red Dog said:
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I've been a GIANTS fan since 1955, so I've seen a ton of them come and go.

There are two guys who really stand out other than DeAndre Baker, who is definitely an all-time NYG first round bust.

One is HB Joe Don Looney back in 1964. He never played a down for the GIANTS. Probably the WORST ever first round pick EVER by the team.

The other is TE Derek Brown in 1992. LT hit him hard in the first practice and he never recovered from his introduction to pro football. Was on the team for five seasons, mostly sitting on the bench and taking first round money. He did catch a few passes here and there, but was never any kind of a threat in the passing game, wasn't a very good blocker, and actually contributed less than a myriad of rookie free agents did over the years.

Just for the record, the very promising careers of FB Tucker Fredrickson and FB Jarrod Bunch were ruined by injuries, so you can't hold that against them or the team for drafting them. Both of them would have been stars if they hadn't gotten seriously hurt.

WR/KR Rocky Thompson was waaay over-drafted in 1971, but actually contributed more than a number of other first round picks like RB David Wilson and QB Lee Grosscup in 1959 (ANYBODY remember him?) to name a couple of picks that didn't work out. Note that Wilson was discovered to have a previously unknown medical condition that ended his football career. Thompson has been unfairly vilified ever since.

RB Tyrone Wheatley was the victim of a head coach (Reeves) who didn't want him. George Adams was similarly over-drafted (for need) but did contribute some including a long TD against Dallas in a nationally-televised game.

Even G John Hicks, who turned out to be a MAJOR flop, had a relatively promising rookie year in 1974.


I agree Rocky Thompson was not that bad. Yes, he should have not been a #1 choice. He also should not have been expected to be a Wide Receiver. He was a running back. He had two run backs of kickoffs for touchdowns.

He should have been used as a running back.

Justin Pugh isn’t even in the conversation.  
cosmicj : 11/12/2021 3:49 pm : link
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Route 9 : 11/12/2021 4:33 pm : link
I'm not the biggest draft board expert in the world nor do I study mock charts like some of you guys do but I did have my time doing so.

But man, in 2016, the Eli Apple pick pissed me off so much. I remember getting excited that off-season the Giants had and that pick had "Reese/Giants reach" written all over it with taking someone way before they have been drafted. So awful. I wonder how long he would've lasted for on that day if the Giants did not take him. No way of knowing.

I think I saw his name come up ONCE later in the first round in all of the mocks.

Everything about it was bad from the start. His annoying mom, negelct of OL, his poor performance, his immaturity. Him just standing there on the 3rd and 33.
Wow brings back bad memories  
jjgmrg901 : 11/12/2021 4:34 pm : link
I remember we drafted Larry Jacobson and Rich Glover in the first round. Both from Nebraska and all-americans?

Rocky Thompson was from Bermuda. I was there the year he was selected by the Giants. Showed pictures of him jumping off cliffs with a football to help learn how to not fumble?
He was a backfield running mate of Duane Thomas but had little talent but speed
I have been a fan since 1942 and for me the worse all time  
carpoon : 11/12/2021 4:52 pm : link
pick was Joe Heap '55 who was picked in the 8th spot and he never gained 100 yards for his career as a HB. Joe Don Looney was a real close second to Heap but the Giants knew he was a real long shot but worth the risk. This century I would go with Flowers. The Giants had high hopes for Heap.
David Brown  
mdthedream : 11/12/2021 4:53 pm : link
1st round Supplemental Draft :)
When the Giants picked Tucker Frederickson, they didn't need a QB Plus  
DSPCSP : 11/12/2021 5:10 pm : link
Sayers and Butkus were going to the AFL or only Chicago in the NFL. As for Namath, the NFL gave the Giants an okay to go after Namath, but Sonny Werblin, I think that was the Jets guy, beat them out. Partly the size of the contract given to Joe and partly the fact that the Giants had an established QB.
RE: I thought Hicks was an ok player but was just significantly  
uther99 : 11/12/2021 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15452528 cosmicj said:
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Overdrafted. Is that wrong? From before my time.



Eddie Hicks?
RE: This is EASY  
Del Shofner : 11/12/2021 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15452472 Carl in CT said:
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the worst draft pick at #1 was Tucker Fredrickson. He was not the worst player but when Butkus goes #3 and Sayers #4 he was the worst draft pick. Not worst player drafted.


I agree with this. Tucker F. was not a bad player (prior to injury) but passing on both Butkus and Sayers was inexcusable. I mean, maybe Butkus if you were looking for a RB, but Frederickson over Sayers? Everyone could see Gale Sayers was an incredible running back from his college career.
Looking back  
Burt in Alameda : 11/12/2021 5:46 pm : link
at some of these guys now, you just have to laugh. Who knew that Cedric Jones had jus one good eye-- certainly not the Giants. Thomas Lewis Lewis or Lewis Thomas-- I remember hearing his name and thinking I had never heard of him and then looking him up in a draft guide and finding him at, I think, number 45 among wide receivers with no write-up. I later found out he had no 40 time but did have a 400 meters timing in college. I also had never heard of Rocky Thompson or Eldridge Small before their drafts. I think they were taken when Andy Robustelli ran the team, and I do not think he had heard of them either. Both count as the worst pick of the last century. Joe Don Looney was taken when the Giants would use the Street and Smith guide for their draft information. Looney was an exceptionally fast running back on a good Oklahoma team, and I applauded when the Giants picked him. Ugh, what did I know. I agree that Tucker Frederickson could have been really good but for a knee injury before his rookie season. But no matter how good he could have been, how could Wellington Mara pass up Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus for him. The same with Derek Brown; I thought he would be really good. Chris Hollingsworth went to the Bengals with the next pick. Jerry Reese will live in infamy for first round busts David Wilson, Eli Apple, and Eric Flowers as will Dave Gentleman for Deandre Baker. But, I agree that Sequan Barkley wins for worst pick this century not because ability but because you never draft a running back so high. A fun topic for a Friday.
RE: Looking back  
Dennis : 11/12/2021 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15452618 Burt in Alameda said:
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at some of these guys now, you just have to laugh. Who knew that Cedric Jones had jus one good eye-- certainly not the Giants. Thomas Lewis Lewis or Lewis Thomas-- I remember hearing his name and thinking I had never heard of him and then looking him up in a draft guide and finding him at, I think, number 45 among wide receivers with no write-up. I later found out he had no 40 time but did have a 400 meters timing in college. I also had never heard of Rocky Thompson or Eldridge Small before their drafts. I think they were taken when Andy Robustelli ran the team, and I do not think he had heard of them either. Both count as the worst pick of the last century. Joe Don Looney was taken when the Giants would use the Street and Smith guide for their draft information. Looney was an exceptionally fast running back on a good Oklahoma team, and I applauded when the Giants picked him. Ugh, what did I know. I agree that Tucker Frederickson could have been really good but for a knee injury before his rookie season. But no matter how good he could have been, how could Wellington Mara pass up Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus for him. The same with Derek Brown; I thought he would be really good. Chris Hollingsworth went to the Bengals with the next pick. Jerry Reese will live in infamy for first round busts David Wilson, Eli Apple, and Eric Flowers as will Dave Gentleman for Deandre Baker. But, I agree that Sequan Barkley wins for worst pick this century not because ability but because you never draft a running back so high. A fun topic for a Friday.


+1. I think you did I nice summary of those picks. I have much the same memory of them.
RE: Looking back  
Dennis : 11/12/2021 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15452618 Burt in Alameda said:
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at some of these guys now, you just have to laugh. Who knew that Cedric Jones had jus one good eye-- certainly not the Giants. Thomas Lewis Lewis or Lewis Thomas-- I remember hearing his name and thinking I had never heard of him and then looking him up in a draft guide and finding him at, I think, number 45 among wide receivers with no write-up. I later found out he had no 40 time but did have a 400 meters timing in college. I also had never heard of Rocky Thompson or Eldridge Small before their drafts. I think they were taken when Andy Robustelli ran the team, and I do not think he had heard of them either. Both count as the worst pick of the last century. Joe Don Looney was taken when the Giants would use the Street and Smith guide for their draft information. Looney was an exceptionally fast running back on a good Oklahoma team, and I applauded when the Giants picked him. Ugh, what did I know. I agree that Tucker Frederickson could have been really good but for a knee injury before his rookie season. But no matter how good he could have been, how could Wellington Mara pass up Gayle Sayers and Dick Butkus for him. The same with Derek Brown; I thought he would be really good. Chris Hollingsworth went to the Bengals with the next pick. Jerry Reese will live in infamy for first round busts David Wilson, Eli Apple, and Eric Flowers as will Dave Gentleman for Deandre Baker. But, I agree that Sequan Barkley wins for worst pick this century not because ability but because you never draft a running back so high. A fun topic for a Friday.


+1. I think you did I nice summary of those picks. I have much the same memory of them.
For this century…  
trueblueinpw : 11/12/2021 6:34 pm : link
Looking at the list I’d say:

1. Barkley, even if he was all that he was supposed to be, and he isn’t even close, a RB at the 2 overall was always a mistake. It was a partially big mistake because the Giants had so many other needs. This pick set the team back and we haven’t yet recovered. This might be the worst pick in the history of the Giants.

2. Jones was a consensus day two pick, aside from I guess some still unknown other team that might have gotten Jones before the 17th overall. Jones may still turn out to be the guy, and I hope he does turn into the guy for Big Blue. But until he is the guy he’s a draft reach at a position where you just should not ever reach. I wouldn’t mind Jones if he were a later selection, but he was a mediocre QB at a third tier program where he also had a tendency to force bad throws and turn the ball over. Smart and touch as nails for sure. But aren’t those table stakes with any QB at the overall 6? Like I say, I hope I’m wrong about Jones but so far, he’s not the right pick at the most important position on the field. I don’t kill Getty for this pick, it’s not indefensible like the Barkley pick. But I’ll always think this was a reach, that Jones would have been available at the 17, maybe even on day two. Based on results to date, I think it’s a miss.

3. Apple was a known maturity problem and had a tendency to get grabby and take off plays in college. Guess what he’s been in the NFL? Aside from literally every scouting report, who would have ever thought he’d be a grabby head case in the NFL? He was also a reach, probably, as many scouting reports projected Apple as a day two developmental pick. But not Reese. Ugh. I wonder if he’s learned how to cook yet? Needlessly risky pick that didn’t pay off.
Jones  
Carl in CT : 11/12/2021 7:04 pm : link
Was not a consensus day two pick. He wouldn’t have made it past #12 or Denver.
Why Tucker Frederickson?  
5BowlsSoon : 11/12/2021 7:22 pm : link
That Baby Bull would have been great had not injuries derailed him. As a recall, it was that drill they did in preseason both times…or maybe just one time. I forgot the name of the drill.

Sure, he wasn’t able to do much because of the injuries but at the time, he wasn’t the worst pick.

I think there should be a difference between “worst”= bum with no excuses ; “unfortunate”- little results due to circumstances beyond his control
RE: I’m not sure whether George Adams has been  
clatterbuck : 11/12/2021 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15452529 cosmicj said:
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Mentioned. A total waste. And taken at the 19 spot.


A serious injury (hip) curtailed George Adams' career. He was not a bad pick.
RE: Why Tucker Frederickson?  
Dennis : 11/12/2021 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15452677 5BowlsSoon said:
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That Baby Bull would have been great had not injuries derailed him. As a recall, it was that drill they did in preseason both times…or maybe just one time. I forgot the name of the drill.

Sure, he wasn’t able to do much because of the injuries but at the time, he wasn’t the worst pick.

I think there should be a difference between “worst”= bum with no excuses ; “unfortunate”- little results due to circumstances beyond his control


+1. Totally agree, perhaps there should be a distinction between worst and unfortunate.
OP, regarding John Hicks on your list, I was happy at the time of the  
carpoon : 11/12/2021 8:03 pm : link
pick because he was the Outland Trophy winner and was in the running for the Heisman. He just didn't pan out but I gave the Giants E for effort.
Derek Brown  
Harvest Blend : 11/12/2021 10:13 pm : link
...yikes.
RE: Wow brings back bad memories  
Lurts : 11/12/2021 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15452572 jjgmrg901 said:
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I remember we drafted Larry Jacobson and Rich Glover in the first round. Both from Nebraska and all-americans?

Rocky Thompson was from Bermuda. I was there the year he was selected by the Giants. Showed pictures of him jumping off cliffs with a football to help learn how to not fumble?
He was a backfield running mate of Duane Thomas but had little talent but speed



I think Jacobsen stepped on glass at the beach, severing his arch, while Glover was a third round pick. I was excited, too, as Glover was a collegiate beast.

The name that popped into my head was Eldridge Small. Aquidneck's link states he had one less than one tackle in his three year Giant career.

Zip. Nada. Bupkis.
RE: Jones  
trueblueinpw : 11/12/2021 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15452654 Carl in CT said:
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Was not a consensus day two pick. He wouldn’t have made it past #12 or Denver.


Correct, I was wrong here, there were certainly day one grades, though I think those were around 20. I don’t think the Denver idea was ever substantiated. I actually thought they said he wasn’t on their board. Could be wrong about this too. Overall though, my opinion is unchanged, so far, that he was a reach at the 6.
RE: RE: This is EASY  
Joe Beckwith : 11/13/2021 12:05 am : link
In comment 15452602 Del Shofner said:
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In comment 15452472 Carl in CT said:


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the worst draft pick at #1 was Tucker Fredrickson. He was not the worst player but when Butkus goes #3 and Sayers #4 he was the worst draft pick. Not worst player drafted.

I think Sayers style was considered at that time too risky and there was concern of easy injury…. which in a way did cut down a great career.
And I think it was conceded by the owners that Butkus would be a territorial pick, a hands off for the Bears to grab the local star.
Remember, it was a more friendly ownership ‘family’: after all we helped GB and Dallas get going and then tune us up, and the territorial picks sold tickets..
That all said , over about a 60 year period given the names here, we cover far too many 1st rd flops.



I agree with this. Tucker F. was not a bad player (prior to injury) but passing on both Butkus and Sayers was inexcusable. I mean, maybe Butkus if you were looking for a RB, but Frederickson over Sayers? Everyone could see Gale Sayers was an incredible running back from his college career.
RE: RE: I thought Hicks was an ok player but was just significantly  
jmdvm : 11/13/2021 1:09 am : link
In comment 15452601 uther99 said:
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In comment 15452528 cosmicj said:


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Overdrafted. Is that wrong? From before my time.



Eddie Hicks?




Hicks was highly rated coming out of Ohio State, but the entire draft class of 1974 was poorly rated
Jerry Hillebrand  
jmdvm : 11/13/2021 1:10 am : link
LB drafted with the 13th pick, round 1 in 1962
RE: Don't get me Started  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/13/2021 2:46 am : link
In comment 15452451 Piranah In NC said:
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Francis Peay OT 1966 Barf !!
Gordon King OT 1978 More Barf !!
John Hicks OG 1974 Barfing Some More !!

Tyronne Wheatley RB 1995 ..Butt Muscle injury.

Phillipi Sparks CB ..yes and after a bit..HE SUCKED !!

Thomas Lewis WR . GAG me with a Spoon !!

Eldrige Small WR ..Yep played Small.

Rocky Thompson WR/KR.. 1972 Bustoleum.. Just that 1 kick off return against the lions.

Joe Don Looney RB 1964 . Was kicked off his College team. Giants still drafted him in the 1st round. Was found dancing to the "Mashed Potatoes" with a transistor radio in Giants locker room , I think. Skipped practice at will.

Brian Williams OC 1989 .. Another one of Those Billy Price "Which Way did he Go Pass Blocking Centers" I felt for him with that eye injury.

Cedric Jones DE 1996.. How Come The Giants didn't watch "The Voyage Of Sinbad". The Dude
had 1 good eye when we drafted him. Scared The Patriots wanted him ?

Jarred Bunch 1991 ? We're still waiting for that Jerome Bettis Battering Ram Running game..

Ron Dayne RB 2000 .. Was better at Wisconsin.

this list my dad would agree
Thomas Lewis  
mpinmaine : 11/13/2021 3:06 am : link
and to think I was happy when they took him!

Apple... Ron Dayne
this is easy  
Allen in CNJ : 11/13/2021 4:12 am : link
Derek Brown
Thomas Lewis
Cedric Jones
Eli Apple
DeAndre Baker

Maybe Ereck Flowers

Some other guys that others are mentioning, including Brian Williams, were solid before injury. Unfair to say David Wilson was a bad pick as we don't know what he would've become as a player.
Barkley is very akin to Reggie Bush  
Batenhorst7 : 11/13/2021 4:49 am : link
Both are/were exciting RBs but not durable, tentative between the tackles, explosive in the secondary and injury prone

Trouble is neither were tough runners when the game was being decided but both earned a lot of yds in the passing game.

Bush put in his rookie contract years with New Orleans but then bounced around 4 other teams

I suspect Barkley will be moved in the off season, I'm thinking to Buffalo for some reason. If he comes back and plays as he did as a rookie all bets are off

Fredrickson was a tough a RB between the tackles as you would ever see.....he blew out his knee in an era where surgery was primitive

Ron Dayne was by far our worst ever 1st round pick- another Dancing Queen

Both Dayne and Bush needed holes you could drive a truck through to be effective
My beautifull wife  
Alamo : 11/13/2021 8:45 am : link
Who I miss greatly,because she passed away 3 months ago,loved Tucker #24 on the Giants..I took her to many games,and she only went for a chance to meet him..You guys are lucky that she's no longer here,because I have a suspicion that she would be telling you off..I thought he was a good back..But your all correct about who we passed on in that draft..My 1st thought was for Rocky,and I don't mean Sly Stallone...
RE: My beautifull wife  
Alamo : 11/13/2021 8:51 am : link
In comment 15453043 Alamo said:
[quote] Who I miss greatly,because she passed away 3 months ago,loved Tucker #24 on the Giants..I took her to many games,and she only went for a chance to meet him..You guys are lucky that she's no longer here,because I have a suspicion that she would be telling you off..I thought he was a good back..But your all correct about who we passed on in that draft..My 1st thought was for Rocky,and I don't mean Sly Stallone...By the way...He did make the Pro Bowl !!
RE: Why include good players  
GeofromNJ : 11/13/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15452381 TLong said:
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who had short careers due to injury?
Fredrickson, Wilson, etc.

To have Fredrickson on this list is ridiculous although most Giants think taking Fredrickson ahead of Gale Sayers was insane. Fredrickson made the pro bowl his rookie year, then suffered an ACL and was never the same. Surgery in 1965 was not what it is today.
Cedric Jones and Thomas Lewis - last century  
GeofromNJ : 11/13/2021 9:35 am : link
Jones had a cornea transplant and then was poked while horsing around. The Giants then drafted him. Giants needed a received and reached for Thomas Lewis, a total bust at the NFL level. Ironically, Isaac Bruce was also on the board at the time.

Ron Dayne and Deandre Baker - this century

Dayne makes the list because if looking for a running back, the Giants could have drafted Shaun Alexander.
Sayers Butkus Namath  
arniefez : 11/13/2021 10:17 am : link
Tucker Fredrickson. Which one of these is different than the other 3? But I don't think Tucker Fredrickson belongs on this list. He was a good player, a very good player whose career was diminished and ended by injuries. I don't think he would have been a HOF player like the other 3 but he was a good football player. Barkley doesn't deserve to be on this list for the same reason. Wilson and George Adams too.

IMO these are the 5 picks that are/were the worst football players that the Giants drafted #1

1965-1999

Derek Brown 12th pick - scored exactly 1 TD in his entire career. None for the Giants. Started 33 games in 6 years for 3 teams. 22 of them for expansion Jacksonville.

Cedric Jones 5th pick - A well known story. The Giants had the 5th pick and were ready to draft 4 players. All were taken 1-4 and the Giants panic picked Jones who they had barely scouted.

2000-2021 all three are still in the NFL

Baker 30th pick - spent 3 picks on him still in the league a horrible player and horrible embarrassing choice.

Apple 10th pick - History repeats in the next generation of Mara's. The players the Giants had heavily scouted were all gone and they panic picked Apple. Still in the league a horrible player and horrible choice.

Flowers 9th pick - still in the league a horrible player and horrible choice.


Didn’t we have two 1st round picks  
Bleedin Blue : 11/13/2021 10:25 am : link
In the mid seventies and we picked Larry Jacobson and Eldridge Small??
Correct me if I’m wrong, my memory is starting to go, and those years is like to forget anyway!😂😂
busts  
DelZotto : 11/13/2021 12:36 pm : link
Fraces Peay
A lot of the bums mentioned makes me want to puke  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/13/2021 4:20 pm : link
but panic pick Wilson stands alone as someone we should have conceptually never drafted. A slashy gadget outside run 'specialist' whose specialty doesn't really fit the team outside of kickoffs?
RE: Didn’t we have two 1st round picks  
jeff57 : 11/13/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15453108 Bleedin Blue said:
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In the mid seventies and we picked Larry Jacobson and Eldridge Small??
Correct me if I’m wrong, my memory is starting to go, and those years is like to forget anyway!😂😂


Yes. From the Tarkenton deal. Jacobson was bad. Small was awful.
Cedric Jones  
jeff57 : 11/13/2021 5:09 pm : link
Because of where he was picked and the fact they didn’t know he was blind in one eye.
for me, its Derek Brown and Ron "No Gain" Dayne  
islander1 : 11/13/2021 5:43 pm : link
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Derick Brown for the win!!!!  
dan518 : 11/13/2021 11:02 pm : link
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Thomas Lewis was asleep  
jamalduff123 : 11/14/2021 3:25 am : link
I remember that Thomas Lewis was ASLEEP during the first round, because everyone thought he'd be a late round pick at best.
George Young...  
EricJ : 11/14/2021 7:37 am : link
for as good as he was for this organization in the 80's...

He almost ruined the franchise as we got into the 90's. When he was coupled with Dan Reeves.. it was like two 5 year olds trying to drive a huge Cadillac from NY to FL
RE: George Young...  
Batenhorst7 : 11/14/2021 11:55 am : link
In comment 15453583 EricJ said:
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for as good as he was for this organization in the 80's...

He almost ruined the franchise as we got into the 90's. When he was coupled with Dan Reeves.. it was like two 5 year olds trying to drive a huge Cadillac from NY to FL


Interesting analogy

Kind of the opposite of the movie The Green Book
RE: RE: George Young...  
EricJ : 11/14/2021 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15453704 Batenhorst7 said:
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In comment 15453583 EricJ said:


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for as good as he was for this organization in the 80's...

He almost ruined the franchise as we got into the 90's. When he was coupled with Dan Reeves.. it was like two 5 year olds trying to drive a huge Cadillac from NY to FL



Interesting analogy

Kind of the opposite of the movie The Green Book


Right... OPPOSITE
No mention of Jim Files?  
Bubba : 11/15/2021 7:22 am : link
13th overall pick in 1970. Just didn't want to play football.
In my time, I'm going with Ereck Flowers - TREMENDOUSLY DAMAGING PICK  
x meadowlander : 11/16/2021 9:36 am : link
In this discussion, WHERE the players were selected matters. Top-5, Top-10 is a world of difference from what is expected of a late round pick.

Ereck Flowers was picked 9th overall at a time when the Giants O-Line had suffered terribly with poor drafting, Will Beatty was clearly not the answer, Eli Manning was playing shellshocked from revolving doors at the tackle position, jailbreak pass rushes were all too common.

The Flowers pick was critical at this point in time. Had this pick produced even a servicable left tackle, the last 6 years could have been so much better - not only was Flowers a disastrous pick, the Giants left freaking Lael Collins on the table - would it have been THAT big of a risk to use a 6th or 7th rounder on him??? Instead, Dallas gets him. Dallas also STILL has Zack Martin, Giants took OBJ that draft. Imagine if you will, a Giant OLine that had Martin and Collins since 2015. We're still smelling the stink of Ereck Flowers and the ripple effect of the 2014 and 15 drafts.


Cedric Jones was selected 5th. Based on where he was selected, Top-5 - while not nearly as damaging as the Flowers pick, the loss in value on this one is staggerring.

For my final pick - this one is *pending*, because the Jury is still out on Saquon Barkley. If the injuries have in fact set him back to the point where he never realizes his potential, this could easily turn into one of the worst ever. (Of course right now, Rosen and Darnold aren't faring much better)

Also-rans...
Derek Brown 15th
Gordon King 10th
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