In another thread a poster referred to Saquon Barkley as the worst draft pick that the Giants had ever made.
Hopefully he was just being hyperbolic, but it did make me think about past #1 draft choices and who might actually be the worst.
After a little research I noticed that we (unfortunately) had a lot of good candidates. So I split them up into two different categories… pre and post 2000.
With that in mind, who are your choices for the Giants worst 1st Round picks in each century?
I have listed all the players below (chronologically) who I believe would receive votes, but feel free to choose another 1st RD pick if yours is not listed.
My choices… Deandre Baker (This Century) and Tucker Fredrickson (Last Century).
Baker played poorly his rookie year, got arrested for gun play in the off season and was cut.
Fredrickson wasn’t a bad player and he did accomplish more than many of the other Giants’ #1s on the Last Century list. But it’s tough to forgive Wellington for choosing Tucker with the #1 overall pick when he could have had his pick of HoFers Gale Sayers, Dick Butkus or Joe Namath.
Again, who are your two “worst” picks and why?
This Century
Daniel Jones- 19
Deandre Baker-19
Saquan Barkley-18
Evan Engram-17
Eli Apple-16
Eric Flowers-15
OBJ-14
David Wilson-12
Ron Dayne-00
Last Century
Cedric Jones-96
Tyrone Wheatley-95
Thomas Lewis-94
Derek Brown-92
Jarrod Bunch-91
George Adams-85
John Hicks-74
Rocky Thompson-71
Tucker Fredrickson-65
But did include
14- OBJ
WTF???
But did include
14- OBJ
WTF???
I included all the players who I thought might get votes, but also suggested you could pick any #1 not on the lists.
FYI... All four of your picks are from last century.
Also we needed OL and could (should) have drafted Cordy Glenn.
In the previous century I'd go with Cedric Scott. The Giants never scouted him, had no idea he was blind in one eye, got caught flat-footed when the Ravens picked Ogden. The Giants also wanted Simeon Rice so they picked Scott who for some reason they thought was the next best DE.
Why they didn't pick Willie Anderson I'll never know....
Also we needed OL and could (should) have drafted Cordy Glenn.
In the previous century I'd go with Cedric Scott. The Giants never scouted him, had no idea he was blind in one eye, got caught flat-footed when the Ravens picked Ogden. The Giants also wanted Simeon Rice so they picked Scott who for some reason they thought was the next best DE.
Why they didn't pick Willie Anderson I'll never know....
Cedric JONES I mean. I guess my mind is repressing that pick.
Now that’s funny.
Honorable mentions: Dave Brown, Cedric Jones, Ron Dayne & William Joseph.
Fredrickson, Wilson, etc.
Fredrickson, Wilson, etc.
Why list OBJ? He was great for most of his years here
Also, there's bad and then there's BAD. Some guys could play but got hurt. Others never could play at all. Guys that couldn't play at all with NYG:
Dave Brown
Derek Brown
Thomas Lewis
Ereck Flowers (at tackle)
*David Wilson (he was a bad RB)
Guys that could play but suffered injury woes
Barkley (can still save his nyg career but clock is ticking)
Jarrod Bunch
*David Wilson (the rare breed who makes both lists)
Guys that were around average or never met expectations:
Ron Dayne
Cedric Jones
Daniel Jones (there's time, but like Barkley....)
many more...but there's different categories for this debate.
This does not mean that there are not bad #1's but none like poor Mr Thompson in his era and skill set.
But did include
14- OBJ
WTF???
Joseph had to be one of the worst players I have ever seen since watching from the early 80's. He was a complete slob, lacking any physical or mental desire to play the game.
Cedric Jones
Ereck Flowers
Eli Apple
Followed closely by Derek Brown who was a huge disappointment after his career at ND.
saquon, though a good payer, was a terrible pick at #2 overall in an era where you can land great backs in later rounds.
Brown was an awful player, we left a ton of future pro-bowlers on the board by taking him there, AND we used another pick on a tight end in the 3rd round.
David Wilson always struck me as a panic pick because the Bucs swooped in and took Doug Martin right before we were going to pick.
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Gordon King OT 1978 More Barf !!
John Hicks OG 1974 Barfing Some More !!
Tyronne Wheatley RB 1995 ..Butt Muscle injury.
Phillipi Sparks CB ..yes and after a bit..HE SUCKED !!
Thomas Lewis WR . GAG me with a Spoon !!
Eldrige Small WR ..Yep played Small.
Rocky Thompson WR/KR.. 1972 Bustoleum.. Just that 1 kick off return against the lions.
Joe Don Looney RB 1964 . Was kicked off his College team. Giants still drafted him in the 1st round. Was found dancing to the "Mashed Potatoes" with a transistor radio in Giants locker room , I think. Skipped practice at will.
Brian Williams OC 1989 .. Another one of Those Billy Price "Which Way did he Go Pass Blocking Centers" I felt for him with that eye injury.
Cedric Jones DE 1996.. How Come The Giants didn't watch "The Voyage Of Sinbad". The Dude
had 1 good eye when we drafted him. Scared The Patriots wanted him ?
Jarred Bunch 1991 ? We're still waiting for that Jerome Bettis Battering Ram Running game..
Ron Dayne RB 2000 .. Was better at Wisconsin.
Thomas Lewis - I had my newspaper with all the potential draft picks and I was ready, I think we picked 7th and I had a bunch of names I wanted, not because i really knew but because I had the newspaper and thats all I had to go on. I was so pissed, Lewis didnt even have a writeup, just a number and it was like a 3rd or 4th round grade.
Cedric jones - There were 4 blue chippers and we were 5th. Phillips was also there and for sure at that time RBs were worth it, he was going to the Ravens. We we got fucked and all 4 blue chips were gone and someone in the Giants Draft room must have said Jones and they sent in the card. I mean again not considered a top pick. then he had one eye and it got poked so we had strahan and a blind man on the other side. He wasnt a complete disaster but man I hated that pick. again not because I knew anything but because the paper I had didnt have him as a top 10 pick.
So many bad 1st round picks. So many.
So who is out best 1st round pick? We didnt technically draft Eli. OBJ was on pace for that but too small a sample. I cant really think of our best right now.
Drafting a quarterback at #6 who turns out to be an average quarterback with a long career is not a bad outcome. Disappointing, yes, but it's worse than some (Mahomes, P Manning, e.g.) but better than a heck of a lot others who never even become starters.
Do the Patriots regret passing 5 times on having drafted Tom Brady? Should they? You could argue they screwed up massively by not drafting the greatest quarterback of all time by not draft him in the 5th (or 4th, or 3rd, or 2nd, or even 1st round. You will always find hall of famers drafted after your team, but I'm sure even the team that draft him would admit they didn't know "that player" would turn out to be so good. So I don't like when teams are criticized for not drafting Player A when they could have had Player B. 20:20 hindsight is always perfect.
Saquon Barkley was a strategic mistake, but drafted by the right organistation, he merits a top ten pick.
But Eli Apple, currently ranked 78th among cornerbacks, was a dreadful pick. Has never come close to justifying going #10, regardless of maturity issues.
For similar reasons, I think the Giants’ best First-Round pick since Lawrence Taylor was… Hakeem Nicks.
The problem here is the alternative pick may have sucked worse. Rosen and Darnold would of been disasters as well...Barkley is teetering on disaster.
Thomas Lewis - I had my newspaper with all the potential draft picks and I was ready, I think we picked 7th and I had a bunch of names I wanted, not because i really knew but because I had the newspaper and thats all I had to go on. I was so pissed, Lewis didnt even have a writeup, just a number and it was like a 3rd or 4th round grade.
Cedric jones - There were 4 blue chippers and we were 5th. Phillips was also there and for sure at that time RBs were worth it, he was going to the Ravens. We we got fucked and all 4 blue chips were gone and someone in the Giants Draft room must have said Jones and they sent in the card. I mean again not considered a top pick. then he had one eye and it got poked so we had strahan and a blind man on the other side. He wasnt a complete disaster but man I hated that pick. again not because I knew anything but because the paper I had didnt have him as a top 10 pick.
So many bad 1st round picks. So many.
So who is out best 1st round pick? We didnt technically draft Eli. OBJ was on pace for that but too small a sample. I cant really think of our best right now.
I remember the Lewis pick well. But im pretty sure it was toward the end of Round 1. I was visiting NY/NJ at that time from FL with some friends...mostly to attend a couple of Devils Sabres playoff hockey games...but we were driving around the city during that draft, and my buddy was videotaping stuff from the back seat, and just happened to capture the moment we heard on WFAN that the Giants had selected Thomas Lewis...so my "who the F*&^ is Thomas Lewis??? From INDIANA????!!!!" Eventually transferred that tape to DVD so its here somewhere....on my permanent record, I guess.
Tucker Fredrickson's career was destroyed by injury. Jim Brown said Fredrickson was going to be the next great running back.
Fredrickson wound up having a few good years, ran for 659 yds his rookie year, and he finished his career in 1971 with 2,209 yards and nine touchdowns rushing, plus 128 catches and another eight scores receiving.
In modern times, DeAndre Baker and Derek Brown would tie for that distinction.
In terms of damage to the franchise, Ereck Flowers and Saquon Barkley. Some of the other bad first round picks the team was able to recover from, but those two did irreparable harm to the direction of the franchise.
And for those saying Barkley isn't a bust AND want me to ignore the obvious roster building issues -
Take away Barkley's rookie year and tell me if he's what you wanted from a #2 overall pick, or even a first round pick. Barkley right now is trending toward being an outright bust.
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There are two guys who really stand out other than DeAndre Baker, who is definitely an all-time NYG first round bust.
One is HB Joe Don Looney back in 1964. He never played a down for the GIANTS. Probably the WORST ever first round pick EVER by the team.
The other is TE Derek Brown in 1992. LT hit him hard in the first practice and he never recovered from his introduction to pro football. Was on the team for five seasons, mostly sitting on the bench and taking first round money. He did catch a few passes here and there, but was never any kind of a threat in the passing game, wasn't a very good blocker, and actually contributed less than a myriad of rookie free agents did over the years.
Just for the record, the very promising careers of FB Tucker Fredrickson and FB Jarrod Bunch were ruined by injuries, so you can't hold that against them or the team for drafting them. Both of them would have been stars if they hadn't gotten seriously hurt.
WR/KR Rocky Thompson was waaay over-drafted in 1971, but actually contributed more than a number of other first round picks like RB David Wilson and QB Lee Grosscup in 1959 (ANYBODY remember him?) to name a couple of picks that didn't work out. Note that Wilson was discovered to have a previously unknown medical condition that ended his football career. Thompson has been unfairly vilified ever since.
RB Tyrone Wheatley was the victim of a head coach (Reeves) who didn't want him. George Adams was similarly over-drafted (for need) but did contribute some including a long TD against Dallas in a nationally-televised game.
Even G John Hicks, who turned out to be a MAJOR flop, had a relatively promising rookie year in 1974.
George Adams RB Right , other than That Dallas game.
Jeremy Schockey TE.. Loved his Warrior mentality, Hated his Temperment.
Dave Brown..Awful Choice. Wonder if Daniel Jones was warned not to wear nr. 17
David Wilson RB.. OMG !
Eli Apple CB.Pass Interference calls always VS. The Eagles.