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Another DL and TE

In comment 15455226 George from PA said:

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Another DL and TE

Yeah, I think you have to get an edge if one of the top three are available. Hutchinson or Karlaftis would be a dream.

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Players like Devin Lloyd, Brandon Smith or Nakobe Dean would be nice additions.

Continue to invest in the OL. Turn it into a strength.

who has a history of injury problems but has a HUGE upside.

Would be the dream scenario. But both their picks would probably have to be in the top 6 to make that happen.

Maybe a couple will want to mortgage their future and trade for 1 of the future all pros raved about on this board.

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Dropping Hutchinson to the Giants at number 6 then pick either Green or Linderbaum at number 8 as it stands right now.

I pick the best edge or online with first pick and trade the second one for a Haul. Set yourself up to get 2 first rounds every year.

spot like the past 2 years. An edge rusher is an absolute must, and there seems to be plenty of options.

In comment 15455253 Giantimistic said:

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I pick the best edge or online with first pick and trade the second one for a Haul. Set yourself up to get 2 first rounds every year.

Yep. Love this approach. Always stay ahead in every draft. Keep kicking the can down the road each year but collect the interest the current year.

hopefully a few get pushed up boards.

I think Hutch will be a blue chip, chances of him at 6 seem unlikely. Would be great though!

I think Karlaftis or the Michigan kid (maybe the FSU kid?) are more likely.

I do believe though that if a good EDGE player is there, they will draft him.

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they can pick up a 2nd rd.

Stuck with Lawson at Edge next year for 15 mil cap hit. Team needs solid O-linemen, Box Safety, TE.

OL second, OL third. Then Edge (Sam Williams, Zach Harrison, Jermaine Johnson as possibilities). We will continue to flounder until we build a first-rate OL.

All a higher draft pick means is that your team sucks more than most of the teams in the league. The goal should be to draft 18th or later every year.

some of you with your nothing but OL are a bit over the top. I agree they should go heavy on the OL, but they need an edge too. Nothing wrong with going edge and OL in the first. They have 3 other picks in the top 75. They can use another pick or two on OL in those, and still address other positions. They need to go BPA, not reach on players

In comment 15455285 AnnapolisMike said:

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All a higher draft pick means is that your team sucks more than most of the teams in the league. The goal should be to draft 18th or later every year.

Not rooting for, just being realistic.

Ebiketie Penn State
Foskey ND
Enagbare South Carolina

3 edge prospects having strong seasons that will definitely be available in the second round.

Ebiketie had a very good last Saturday against Michigan with 2 sacks.

Rang is already talking up the PS guy for 1st rd.

In comment 15455285 AnnapolisMike said:

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All a higher draft pick means is that your team sucks more than most of the teams in the league. The goal should be to draft 18th or later every year.

Well…..

In comment 15455295 KDavies said:

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some of you with your nothing but OL are a bit over the top. I agree they should go heavy on the OL, but they need an edge too. Nothing wrong with going edge and OL in the first. They have 3 other picks in the top 75. They can use another pick or two on OL in those, and still address other positions. They need to go BPA, not reach on players

Sounds OK to me.

This is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are in the first place. DG decided "cluster" drafting was way to build this team and it frankly blew up in his face. BPA is the way to go with obvious needs to be considered. In my eyes that means one first round pick for OL and one mid round pick for OL, no need to be targeting first 3 picks ALL on the OL or any other similar scenario...too many other needs to consider.

BPA. We need impact D players at all levels and a two way TE.

2 of the next 3, at a minimum.
LBs, convertible SSs to LB, DT, TE, maybe even another OL in the 4/5th: whatever they find BP at the spot.

A lot about the draft and, the way I see it as of now, I think he best option would be picking Ikem Ekwonu from NC State and Kenyon Green from TAM. Both are very talented OL and both warrant a top 10 pick but both are also extremely versatile in being able to play Tackle or Guard (for Green OT, OG, or C).

Start your best Five. If Peart is serviceable at RT you have Thomas-Ekwonu-Gates/Price-Green-Peart.

If not you can go with Thomas-Ekonwu-Gates-Brederson/Skura-Green or any other shuffling that gets your best 5 guys out there.

In comment 15455229 jeff57 said:

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Players like Devin Lloyd, Brandon Smith or Nakobe Dean would be nice additions.

Id add Jack Sanborn of Wisconsin to that list.

Karlaftis looks strictly 4-3 DE to me.

and I think it would be a waste, the Edge talent up there should be better players.

In comment 15455258 barens said:

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spot like the past 2 years. An edge rusher is an absolute must, and there seems to be plenty of options.

I wouldn’t say it’s deep either but Cross and Petit-Frere of Ohio St. are forreal. Cross is as smooth as the come. Confident in his kick slide, doesn’t over extend, and once his hands are on you the rush is dead. Petit-Frere is VERY athletic. Quick out of his stance, quick feet, quick to the 2nd level, moves effortlessly.

In comment 15455507 JonC said:

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Karlaftis looks strictly 4-3 DE to me.

If Hutchinson isn't there at either pick, I'll go with Karlaftis. Contingencies, you know?

like they did this year and get a first rounder for 2023.

And pick BPA with the lower first round pick in 2022.

Need to put young OL, LBs and TEs all over this roster with the volume of picks we have in 2022...

we've got enough non-fits out there already. Karlaftis is a very good DE prospect if you're running a ton of 4-3 looks, otherwise he might be on the sideline. Similar to the Iowa kid, Epenesa.

Ojabo might move up there, there's prospects to consider later. No more reaching! Pick another position.

In comment 15455295 KDavies said:

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some of you with your nothing but OL are a bit over the top. I agree they should go heavy on the OL, but they need an edge too. Nothing wrong with going edge and OL in the first. They have 3 other picks in the top 75. They can use another pick or two on OL in those, and still address other positions. They need to go BPA, not reach on players

Agreed, I get the need for OL, but ER is a huge hole on the D

In comment 15455530 JonC said:

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we've got enough non-fits out there already. Karlaftis is a very good DE prospect if you're running a ton of 4-3 looks, otherwise he might be on the sideline. Similar to the Iowa kid, Epenesa. Ojabo might move up there, there's prospects to consider later. No more reaching! Pick another position.

Hutchinson also is a 4-3 end. He’s not an edge rusher. He’s a smaller 3-4 end but best suited for a 4-3 defense.

he'll be fine.

he'd play OLB, hopefully in the Von Miller-type of deployment rather than what they try to do now with Ojulari.

In comment 15455531 uther99 said:

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In comment 15455295 KDavies said: Quote: some of you with your nothing but OL are a bit over the top. I agree they should go heavy on the OL, but they need an edge too. Nothing wrong with going edge and OL in the first. They have 3 other picks in the top 75. They can use another pick or two on OL in those, and still address other positions. They need to go BPA, not reach on players Agreed, I get the need for OL, but ER is a huge hole on the D

Difference being that we already have young talent at EDGE to develop in Ojulari, Roche, and Elerson Smith. We have nothing at IOL and in terms of depth at OT. It’s been a hodgepodge of middling vets that would have been other team’s cuts. What talent is there behind Thomas or Peart? Are we even sure Peart will be a starting RT? We NEED to upgrade over Hernandez and who knows what Lemieux will give us.

Nfl weight room and growth you can easily see him adding size and playing on the low 270s. I don’t see any ability to drop back in space. He looks very different going forward as he does backward. He’s a huge body to standup in a 3-4. I truly believe he’s best suited as a DE in 4-3. He can be multiple but to me, I think he’s not best used as a standup edge type. Von Miller is 6-3 245 with a much much quicker first step and burst, speed and bend. Hutchinsons game is built on power. He’s a prototype end. You can take any end and say he can standup but is that maximizing the player?

If he is drafted by the giants I’d be inclined to use him as a 5 tech. Similar to how they use Williams, Lawrence, Johnson and then have Ojulari as the lone standup almost like a wide nine. Sub out Johnson for Hutchinson.

that's a total waste. Watch how they use Ojulari, that's how they would use Hutch and hopefully with more stand up coming down off the edge towards the QB. He wouldn't play backwards very much if at all, and it would be covering the flats, maybe some zone to help the second level tighten up underneath.

if you want to focus on body type, as an example.

In comment 15455573 JonC said:

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that's a total waste. Watch how they use Ojulari, that's how they would use Hutch and hopefully with more stand up coming down off the edge towards the QB. He wouldn't play backwards very much if at all, and it would be covering the flats, maybe some zone to help the second level tighten up underneath.

Agree. He’s stand up in a 3-4, or end in a 4-3,

year at Michigan. He has looked great at times, but one more year, and he'd be a more complete player, much like Hutchinson.

He's a fast riser, maybe the first round contract will be too much for him to pass up.

He’s made comments that he needs the money. He’s gone

As I have mentioned during draft process I am close to Kwity Paye...Hutchinson is a great talent and high character with non stop motor...a terrific teammate at Michigan ...I was hearing during draft we were considering AVT if we stayed at 10 ...we wanted Smith supposedly if he was on board...would like us to go OL/Edge or Edge/OL with our picks in round 1...

In comment 15455295 KDavies said:

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some of you with your nothing but OL are a bit over the top. I agree they should go heavy on the OL, but they need an edge too. Nothing wrong with going edge and OL in the first. They have 3 other picks in the top 75. They can use another pick or two on OL in those, and still address other positions. They need to go BPA, not reach on players

This is what gets lost with these BPA vs Need discussions, particularly in round one.

Either way is actually fine. But here is the key in either instance - just pick a player who can play and produce at a high level.

Which obviously brings us back to the person doing the selection. If he can't do that job, NEITHER approach works.