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Thomas says Giants Working Wilson inside at Guard

gidiefor : Mod : 11/17/2021 3:22 pm
as per Pat Leonard of the Daily News
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FYI...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/17/2021 3:26 pm : link
we've known this for a while. Both coaches and reporters have noted it.

But I don't think a lot of BBI'ers have been paying attention to the daily media thread.
Hopefully AT  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/17/2021 3:49 pm : link
will act as a 'big brother'.
Didnt realize Wilson is only 22.  
cosmicj : 11/17/2021 3:49 pm : link
Wouldn’t this be fantastic if this could be a personnel win, for the Giants and for Wilson?
Great put him at LG next to Thomas  
arniefez : 11/17/2021 3:55 pm : link
The Giants can have the next Art Shell and Gene Upshaw. Seriously it would be nice if he can play inside and the Giants can have a power side to run to. Of course some RBs don't go left well.
As opposed to what?  
armstead98 : 11/17/2021 4:03 pm : link
No way the 400 pounder is playin tackle of center
RE: As opposed to what?  
BlackLight : 11/17/2021 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15456729 armstead98 said:
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No way the 400 pounder is playin tackle of center


They probably project him at Guard because they haven't yet given up on Peart being the long term solution at RT.
cosmicj  
mittenedman : 11/17/2021 4:25 pm : link
Thats why its crazy people are talking about him as someone who busted in TEN. He hasnt even gotten started yet. He played 4 snaps, then the Dolphins cut him before he played.

Football-wise hes a 1st round talent and I expect he’ll show that whenever he gets on the field.
this is exciting  
Rory : 11/17/2021 4:25 pm : link
hope it works out.
Yeah, right from the start  
D HOS : 11/17/2021 5:08 pm : link
He was reported to be a guard. That's a good idea. If he works out, paired with AT, that would be a force.
Recall  
ChicagoMarty : 11/17/2021 5:17 pm : link
Thomas said that Wilson is the fastest big man he has ever seen.

A big man who can move his feet well enough to pull and get out in front of Barkley is something to behold.

Hope we get to behold minus the hold of course.
So basically what we should have done with Flowers  
RCPhoenix : 11/17/2021 5:21 pm : link
Maybe Wilson will get some snaps on Monday night at LG.
RE: So basically what we should have done with Flowers  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/17/2021 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15456783 RCPhoenix said:
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Maybe Wilson will get some snaps on Monday night at LG.


Judge has all but said we won't see him until 2022.

(Also, he's still on the PS so he is free to sign with any other team).
Practice Squad  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/17/2021 5:56 pm : link
How does this Practice Squad business work? Is any team free to claim him, or is he protected?

Sorry for the remedial question.
RE: Practice Squad  
myquealer : 11/17/2021 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15456800 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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How does this Practice Squad business work? Is any team free to claim him, or is he protected?


Any team can sign him, but it has to be to their 53 man active roster. They can not claim him, so he can turn down their offer or give the Giants a chance to match if he wants.

Since he has family and a good support system in the area, it's probably in his best interests to stay with the Giants, so would hopefully give them a chance to sign him before leaving. That said, given his history it seems unlikely another team would sign him to their active roster this year.
RE: cosmicj  
81_Great_Dane : 11/17/2021 11:58 pm : link
In comment 15456747 mittenedman said:
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Thats why its crazy people are talking about him as someone who busted in TEN. He hasnt even gotten started yet. He played 4 snaps, then the Dolphins cut him before he played.

Football-wise hes a 1st round talent and I expect he’ll show that whenever he gets on the field.
I agree with your basic point about bust vs untried, but on the Tennessee equivalent of BBI, I guarantee you that they consider him a bust — just like we consider Erek Flowers a bust, even though he is still in the league and starting for another team. If your team drafts a guy in the first round and he's gone after his rookie year, you consider him a bust. Guys are labeled a bust even if they were injured (Jarrod Bunche) or made second-team All-Pro (David Wilson). Some of that is unfair, but that's the world we live in.

I'm pulling for this Wilson to make it. Kid's had a hard time. He'd be a great story and potentially a welcome addition to the team.
RE: So basically what we should have done with Flowers  
FStubbs : 11/18/2021 6:57 am : link
In comment 15456783 RCPhoenix said:
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Maybe Wilson will get some snaps on Monday night at LG.


We tried but Flowers refused.
Don't recall any specific statements made by the Giants or Flowers  
chick310 : 11/18/2021 8:28 am : link
that he ever refused to go to Guard. Just did a quick check via google and didn't find anything, though there could be with a more exhaustive search. Do remember the topic being brought up plenty by beats and critics back then, and it was mostly brushed off or concluded that he would have the same problems at Guard as he did at Tackle so that wasn't the solution.

Is the more plausible take that the Giants just disagreed as well that he would be better off at Guard and didn't experiment with it? And when Getts came in, he went shopping for Solder, Omameh and Hernandez so Flowers was simply moved to RT. And when he failed they moved onto to backup Wheeler and got rid of him.

He didn't refuse to play Guard for other teams so why only in NY? I guess he could have been out of options at that point and just finally gave in but only guessing.

Tackles especially Left Tackles were making much more money  
George from PA : 11/18/2021 9:11 am : link
So agent played hardball with Giants about moving him...
RE: Tackles especially Left Tackles were making much more money  
chick310 : 11/18/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15457192 George from PA said:
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So agent played hardball with Giants about moving him...


Or what, he holds out during a rookie contract or files a grievance with the union?

What leverage would Flowers/Agent have here?
RE: So basically what we should have done with Flowers  
Jay on the Island : 11/18/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15456783 RCPhoenix said:
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Maybe Wilson will get some snaps on Monday night at LG.

Can we please stop with the "We should have moved Flowers to guard" comments?

Flowers made it clear that he was not going to move inside with the Giants and he also admitted that he wanted out of NY. When he was released the Jags picked him up and yet he still played tackle. It was only after his options had dried up at tackle that he agreed to move inside with Washington which ended up saving his career.
Sorry if this was posted...  
Drewcon40 : 11/18/2021 9:44 am : link
...I am really excited for this move. He is still on the practice squad, will he see any game action this season? Thomas/Wilson, on paper would be a real strength.
Flowers refused to move to OG  
JonC : 11/18/2021 9:59 am : link
probably due to smaller contracts and just not wanting to learn a new position on a team he already wanted off of.
RE: RE: As opposed to what?  
Section331 : 11/18/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15456733 BlackLight said:
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In comment 15456729 armstead98 said:


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No way the 400 pounder is playin tackle of center



They probably project him at Guard because they haven't yet given up on Peart being the long term solution at RT.


You don't move a guy to Guard if he has OT skills, especially when you "hope" the other guy will become an above-average starter. OT's are much harder to find. It's likely the Giants didn't think Wilson had the requisite skill level to play OT, or maybe they envision him to be a swing OL.
Yep, you give the OT skills every chance to succeed out there  
JonC : 11/18/2021 10:26 am : link
the kick inside is the last resort, or a move made because your OTs are set.
Next Year's Best Case Scenario Giants OL:  
mittenedman : 11/18/2021 11:16 am : link
LT - Andrew Thomas (All Pro)
LG - Shane Lemieux
C - Nick Gates (makes a Seubert-like recovery and continues to kick ass)
RG - Isaiah Wilson (Shawn Andrews/Leonard Davis-like impact up front)
RT - Matt Peart (lives up to the billing and settles in as a pro RT)

Solder will be gone. They could also take a stud OT in the draft and let Peart be the swing T. If Peart's a legit swing T as a 3rd, that's good value IMO.
RE: Next Year's Best Case Scenario Giants OL:  
chick310 : 11/18/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15457359 mittenedman said:
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LT - Andrew Thomas (All Pro)
LG - Shane Lemieux
C - Nick Gates (makes a Seubert-like recovery and continues to kick ass)
RG - Isaiah Wilson (Shawn Andrews/Leonard Davis-like impact up front)
RT - Matt Peart (lives up to the billing and settles in as a pro RT)

Solder will be gone. They could also take a stud OT in the draft and let Peart be the swing T. If Peart's a legit swing T as a 3rd, that's good value IMO.


That is the Best Case Scenario for the Giants OL next year? I hope not.

A few new quality investments shouldn't have much trouble winning jobs from several of the guys noted above.

The best  
mittenedman : 11/18/2021 10:30 pm : link
case scenario wouldnt be the guys we already have being good?
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