Pretty puzzling decision for a franchise that ain't making the playoffs and should be doing everything in its power to determine whether Mike White is a good QB or not. Jets to start Flacco over Mike White - ( New Window )
Maybe this is their answer to whether they think White is a good qb or
White was solid to very good in 1 and 1/4 games. Bad (but still showed some flashes) in another game. I still find him intriguing.
Starting Flacco signals to me that Saleh is very worried about a one and done tenure, and he's doing this to avoid a mutiny or something.
A rookie coach, QB and offensive coordinator (and no QB coach) signaled patience from the franchise (the right approach in my mind). Is the tide turning on Saleh?
for Flacco. Nothing more boring for the fans than starting a guy like Flacco, but the stability of the veteran might help the team grow. Lafleur runs that shanahan zone scheme that is supposed to be difficult to learn.
RE: Doing everything in its power to determine if White is good?
Did you watch him play this week? He's not. So much hype for a guy with one good game in 3 years in the league.
Im not saying that the guy is good....but.....why does the bad game that he had vs one of the best defenses in the league matter so much more than the good game that he had???? Obviously if you only watched last week you would say that the guy doesnt belong anywhere near the NFL.....but he DID have that very very good game too!
Mac Jones methodically developed throughout the year
Sahleh careening from side to side spiraling out of control. And Shurmer replacing a HOF who threw for 4300 yds, 66% and 21/11 TD/Int for a rookie to save his career.
Everywhere all over the league we are seeing bizarre QBs activity from coaches trying to squeeze out wins except the giants they seem content to do this ultra conservative thin.
I’d be more curious to see mike white. The guy sucks because after one bad game he did t play well. His last start last 1 qtr ; he threw a TD looked good but got hurt and were ready to give up on the dude.
Flacco isn’t vaccinated, so… he barely has any practice, and can’t interact much with teammates. White will probably be in the game by the 2nd quarter anyway.
This move makes it easier for them to go back to Wilson when’s he’s healthy. If white played the next game and played really well again, it’s gets really tough to back to Wilson and if you bench white, you risk losing the team
This move makes it easier for them to go back to Wilson when’s he’s healthy. If white played the next game and played really well again, it’s gets really tough to back to Wilson and if you bench white, you risk losing the team
If that’s their reasoning it’s puzzling. If white is winning games then Wilson can wait. Or trade him. Flacco playing is abysmal.
Flacco is no longer an NFL caliber QB. Mike White is a backup, but can play decently for stretches
Wow you concluded that all that after watching all but two games. What’s Daniel Jones then? I can see this move actually. Mike White obviously got better since he was drafted. But they see more upside in Zakk so it would be too difficult to go back to him if seen3td /400 yard mike white.
All over the league we see teams that are presumably not good making QB changes to try and win games . We’re the only ones dig into some 3 rd year guy who is playing like a rookie and was a third round selection
if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
and I'm not up in arms about anything - mostly because I'm not a Jets fan - I just think it's comical how they can botch even an easy decision like this one.
As others have stated in the thread, there's no "upside" of Joe Flacco. Nobody is getting patted on the back for winning 12-9 with Joe Flacco managing the game well. That's not a win that counts for anything meaningful and morale doesn't carry over into next season, which is what the Jets should be playing for.
As for a "QB controversy," please. The Jets haven't had a good QB in decades. DECADES. Wilson is the guy who they hope is the guy, I get it, but what if Mike White is good too? Wouldn't you want to know whether you have either a genuine QB controversy or, more likely, some trade bait, or perhaps, a good way to motivate and push Wilson on your roster?
Because I'll tell you this much, Joe Flacco's game preparation and 3 yard passes ain't lighting a fire under Wilson's ass.
So that brings us back to the most logical explanation - which others have stated as well - which is that Saleh is panicking and coaching desperately to protect his job. Which is very LOLJets for a first year head coach.
if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
Completely made up argument on your part. Plenty of good to very good QB's in the league, and I'm certainly not acting like there's only a few good ones (definitely only a handful of elite ones).
The issue here is your stance moves with the wind and now you are back tracking. And the Jets would KILL for a QB controversy - it would mean they have 2 options instead of 0.
if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
Completely made up argument on your part. Plenty of good to very good QB's in the league, and I'm certainly not acting like there's only a few good ones (definitely only a handful of elite ones).
The issue here is your stance moves with the wind and now you are back tracking. And the Jets would KILL for a QB controversy - it would mean they have 2 options instead of 0.
Made up arguments? pot meet kettle. I never back tracked on anything except maybe if Darnold is worse than jones. It is close. But not really if you think about it.
I'm really making stuff up when I read on here Jones is better than Dak or mayfield and neither are any good. Just playing behind better olines?
Starting Flacco signals to me that Saleh is very worried about a one and done tenure, and he's doing this to avoid a mutiny or something.
A rookie coach, QB and offensive coordinator (and no QB coach) signaled patience from the franchise (the right approach in my mind). Is the tide turning on Saleh?
Im not saying that the guy is good....but.....why does the bad game that he had vs one of the best defenses in the league matter so much more than the good game that he had???? Obviously if you only watched last week you would say that the guy doesnt belong anywhere near the NFL.....but he DID have that very very good game too!
I’d be more curious to see mike white. The guy sucks because after one bad game he did t play well. His last start last 1 qtr ; he threw a TD looked good but got hurt and were ready to give up on the dude.
And if Flacco plays something like 50% of the snaps for 4 games the pick moves up one round. SMH
#LOLJets
Well yeah, of course. No matter how bad the Giants are, no matter how bad. The Jets always have it worse! It’s really something.
Hahahahahaha fair point hahahahaha
Just throw it up to a high pointing WR and hope for the best?
I agree. Situation matters for the vast majority of QB prospects.
If that’s their reasoning it’s puzzling. If white is winning games then Wilson can wait. Or trade him. Flacco playing is abysmal.
Wow you concluded that all that after watching all but two games. What’s Daniel Jones then? I can see this move actually. Mike White obviously got better since he was drafted. But they see more upside in Zakk so it would be too difficult to go back to him if seen3td /400 yard mike white.
All over the league we see teams that are presumably not good making QB changes to try and win games . We’re the only ones dig into some 3 rd year guy who is playing like a rookie and was a third round selection
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
Exactly.
Jones dropped to NE for a reason.
Do the Jets have the players on defense?
You also have scheme to deal with too.
As others have stated in the thread, there's no "upside" of Joe Flacco. Nobody is getting patted on the back for winning 12-9 with Joe Flacco managing the game well. That's not a win that counts for anything meaningful and morale doesn't carry over into next season, which is what the Jets should be playing for.
As for a "QB controversy," please. The Jets haven't had a good QB in decades. DECADES. Wilson is the guy who they hope is the guy, I get it, but what if Mike White is good too? Wouldn't you want to know whether you have either a genuine QB controversy or, more likely, some trade bait, or perhaps, a good way to motivate and push Wilson on your roster?
Because I'll tell you this much, Joe Flacco's game preparation and 3 yard passes ain't lighting a fire under Wilson's ass.
So that brings us back to the most logical explanation - which others have stated as well - which is that Saleh is panicking and coaching desperately to protect his job. Which is very LOLJets for a first year head coach.
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if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
Completely made up argument on your part. Plenty of good to very good QB's in the league, and I'm certainly not acting like there's only a few good ones (definitely only a handful of elite ones).
The issue here is your stance moves with the wind and now you are back tracking. And the Jets would KILL for a QB controversy - it would mean they have 2 options instead of 0.
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if Mike White throws a 300 yard, 4TD game wouldn't that likely lead to a win? That fits your definition of trying to win games, but just not in this scenario since that would make things messy with Wilson. So I guess they are punting the better chance to win just to avoid controversy, right?
I have to say, there's been a ton of goalpost moving on BBI but you just might take the cake in that category.
You guys are the only ones who think every QB in the league except Brady, Mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers straight up sucks.
I don't think Flacco is as bad as you say he is. Flacco gives them a good chance to win while avoiding a QB controversy. I would say Flacco is the safest bet of the 3. Chances are he is not going to throw 3 INT game. You really don't know what you have in white or Zakk at this point.
I just love how BBI has concluded everything about these guys after not watching them play for years while at the same time watching JOnes play peashooter every week for 1.5 seasons but it's "wait and see".
PS- If you like this go back to the other thread about Baker Mayfeild. I lay out the case that Darnold > Jones. Jones is 3rd round selection under normal circumstances and has not gotten at all better since Duke days. That pretty much means in my voew any QB is better than him that was drafted correctly and has not shown to be a complete regression like a Haskins or Rosen OR got considerably better than their draft status would indicate like a Mike White.
Completely made up argument on your part. Plenty of good to very good QB's in the league, and I'm certainly not acting like there's only a few good ones (definitely only a handful of elite ones).
The issue here is your stance moves with the wind and now you are back tracking. And the Jets would KILL for a QB controversy - it would mean they have 2 options instead of 0.
Made up arguments? pot meet kettle. I never back tracked on anything except maybe if Darnold is worse than jones. It is close. But not really if you think about it.
I'm really making stuff up when I read on here Jones is better than Dak or mayfield and neither are any good. Just playing behind better olines?
Genuinely have no clue what direction you will bring it to next but i'll be here to watch!