How 'bout the top three (OK, go to five if need be), any sport, must be a New York team (as in their state/city name is New York, so Devils are out, Marv Levy is in).
First three that come to mind for me are...
1. Al Arbour (I am a Ranger's fan FYI)
2. Bill Parcells
3. Joe Torre
My sport's brain begins in the late 1960's, so the Casey Stengel's of the world I can't speak to...
Others?
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Criminally underrated on this site. Underrated in 2015 too. Yep I am still screaming about this. Don't like it tough shit.
Holzman for sure. Throw in Parcells and Coughlin and I'm satisfied. Gil Hodges for the '69 Mets too.
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Criminally underrated on this site. Underrated in 2015 too. Yep I am still screaming about this. Don't like it tough shit.
No, he really is not "criminally underrated." He is who he is. From 2005-2011, the Giants were mostly good, but they were also wildly inconsistent at times. They had second half collapses (2006, 2009, 2010-- I wont count 2008 although we clearly did not play well down the stretch) and then he had two seasons where it all came together down the stretch and we won titles. That is obviously something extraordinarily important when evaluating his leagcy. He was not good for 2012 until he was fired. So, take that record for what is worth. It is a good coach, but not a great coach. He was not Casey Stengal, Joe Torre, Bill Parcells, Red Holzman, Al Arbour, etc etc. I am sure I am forgetting someone, but coaches whose team were mainly excellent year in and year out.
BTW, Al Arbour's Islanders won 19 straight playoff series at one point...let that one sink in...
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Criminally underrated on this site. Underrated in 2015 too. Yep I am still screaming about this. Don't like it tough shit.
No, he really is not "criminally underrated." He is who he is. From 2005-2011, the Giants were mostly good, but they were also wildly inconsistent at times. They had second half collapses (2006, 2009, 2010-- I wont count 2008 although we clearly did not play well down the stretch) and then he had two seasons where it all came together down the stretch and we won titles. That is obviously something extraordinarily important when evaluating his leagcy. He was not good for 2012 until he was fired. So, take that record for what is worth. It is a good coach, but not a great coach. He was not Casey Stengal, Joe Torre, Bill Parcells, Red Holzman, Al Arbour, etc etc. I am sure I am forgetting someone, but coaches whose team were mainly excellent year in and year out.
Thanks for making my point. He wasn't Parcells here? The numbers say otherwise. And I don't need anyone to tell me what Parcells did or didn't do, I lived it. I went to the games. I remember each and every moment and there were plenty of painful ones.
He's criminally underrated here. He's a legendary NYG figure. He's not always treated like one around here.
How did Parcells do when his teams weren't any good? 8-9 wins. Coughlin sunk to 6-7 wins. Three times out of like 10. it also happened to Parcells.
I don't care, fine, Parcells was better, but he wasn't THAT much better here evidenced by every single metric known to man. And Parcells was gifted Lawrence Taylor. Coughlin wasn't.
We had to replace Coughlin because he was 28-36 in his last four years here and many of those wins were the late season wins (from 2013 onward) were those late season wins that we constantly here about that are meaningless. So, yeah, we haven't replaced the Coughlin from 2005-2011, but we certainly have maintained the status quo Coughlin from 2012-2015. Not sure what your point is. And Bill Parcells may have been gifted LT, but he never had one receiver on the level of Plaxico, Amani, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz. He won with a bunch of JAGS at WR and a great Tight End.
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Criminally underrated on this site. Underrated in 2015 too. Yep I am still screaming about this. Don't like it tough shit.
No, he really is not "criminally underrated." He is who he is. From 2005-2011, the Giants were mostly good, but they were also wildly inconsistent at times. They had second half collapses (2006, 2009, 2010-- I wont count 2008 although we clearly did not play well down the stretch) and then he had two seasons where it all came together down the stretch and we won titles. That is obviously something extraordinarily important when evaluating his leagcy. He was not good for 2012 until he was fired. So, take that record for what is worth. It is a good coach, but not a great coach. He was not Casey Stengal, Joe Torre, Bill Parcells, Red Holzman, Al Arbour, etc etc. I am sure I am forgetting someone, but coaches whose team were mainly excellent year in and year out.
Thanks for making my point. He wasn't Parcells here? The numbers say otherwise. And I don't need anyone to tell me what Parcells did or didn't do, I lived it. I went to the games. I remember each and every moment and there were plenty of painful ones.
He's criminally underrated here. He's a legendary NYG figure. He's not always treated like one around here.
How did Parcells do when his teams weren't any good? 8-9 wins. Coughlin sunk to 6-7 wins. Three times out of like 10. it also happened to Parcells.
I don't care, fine, Parcells was better, but he wasn't THAT much better here evidenced by every single metric known to man. And Parcells was gifted Lawrence Taylor. Coughlin wasn't.
So true. Coughlin is my favorite coach of all time, any sport.
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we haven't hired a replacement for Coughlin yet. Still waiting.
We had to replace Coughlin because he was 28-36 in his last four years here and many of those wins were the late season wins (from 2013 onward) were those late season wins that we constantly here about that are meaningless. So, yeah, we haven't replaced the Coughlin from 2005-2011, but we certainly have maintained the status quo Coughlin from 2012-2015. Not sure what your point is. And Bill Parcells may have been gifted LT, but he never had one receiver on the level of Plaxico, Amani, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz. He won with a bunch of JAGS at WR and a great Tight End.
I don't want to split hairs but he had MArk Bavaro and a great OL and great running backs and the best defense in the NFL.
Not related, but check that 2015 roster again and tell me with a straight face anyone else could have gotten more out of it.
We should have given Coughlin 2016 with Reese, and then nuked it from orbit the minute that team fell apart. It would ahve won in 16 and 17 and quit by 2018-19. Then it would be over. We fired the wrong guy, left the dead man walking in charge to spend money and then promoted the worst NYG figure since Ray Handley. We haf assed it and fired the HC because he was older. And the curse lives on.
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we haven't hired a replacement for Coughlin yet. Still waiting.
We had to replace Coughlin because he was 28-36 in his last four years here and many of those wins were the late season wins (from 2013 onward) were those late season wins that we constantly here about that are meaningless. So, yeah, we haven't replaced the Coughlin from 2005-2011, but we certainly have maintained the status quo Coughlin from 2012-2015. Not sure what your point is. And Bill Parcells may have been gifted LT, but he never had one receiver on the level of Plaxico, Amani, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz. He won with a bunch of JAGS at WR and a great Tight End.
Outside of Toomer most of those guys couldn’t replicate what they did under Coughlin anywhere else.
I'd like to add NY area and then I would include Jaques Lemaire.
I'd like to add NY area and then I would include Jaques Lemaire.
I definitely thought about him. He only had one championship, but all his Devils teams were good and he set the template for all those other Cup finals runs and Cup runs. However, I was unsure why he left in 98. I honestly can't remember. Did he go upstairs to work with Lou? I just don't remember why he left the bench before that period where the Devils when on that crazy run until 2003. I think 2 more cup wins and one loss in the finals (game 7 I think to Colorado?).
Spicy - Some would say he set hockey back many years with the trap. His early teams were sometimes very high scoring but then he built the team around Brodeur's strength in puck handling in conjunction with the trap.
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we haven't hired a replacement for Coughlin yet. Still waiting.
We had to replace Coughlin because he was 28-36 in his last four years here and many of those wins were the late season wins (from 2013 onward) were those late season wins that we constantly here about that are meaningless. So, yeah, we haven't replaced the Coughlin from 2005-2011, but we certainly have maintained the status quo Coughlin from 2012-2015. Not sure what your point is. And Bill Parcells may have been gifted LT, but he never had one receiver on the level of Plaxico, Amani, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz. He won with a bunch of JAGS at WR and a great Tight End.
I don't want to split hairs but he had MArk Bavaro and a great OL and great running backs and the best defense in the NFL.
Not related, but check that 2015 roster again and tell me with a straight face anyone else could have gotten more out of it.
We should have given Coughlin 2016 with Reese, and then nuked it from orbit the minute that team fell apart. It would ahve won in 16 and 17 and quit by 2018-19. Then it would be over. We fired the wrong guy, left the dead man walking in charge to spend money and then promoted the worst NYG figure since Ray Handley. We haf assed it and fired the HC because he was older. And the curse lives on.
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